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To: boatbums; HoosierDammit; TYVets; red irish; fastrock; NorthernCrunchyCon; UMCRevMom@aol.com; ...
Ah the yachting crowd weighs in, demonstrating deliberate ignorance of Church teaching....
Seeing as the Roman Catholic Church has been relaxing her prohibition on married priests,...
Psst, boat girl - the Church allows and always has allowed married priests. But you know that, right?
26 posted on 08/03/2013 8:49:21 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses
deliberate ignorance

Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

27 posted on 08/03/2013 8:52:27 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Mrs. Don-o; narses
the Church allows and always has allowed married priests. But you know that, right?

That really wasn't the question. But, since it is inferred that the Roman Catholic Church has always allowed married men to join the priesthood, according to you, perhaps you can explain why Pope John Paul II, in his 1992 pastoral letter entitled, " PASTORES DABO VOBIS (I Will Give You Shepherds)" states:

    29. Referring to the evangelical counsels, the Council states that "preeminent among these counsels is that precious gift of divine grace given to some by the Father (cf. Mt 19:11; 1 Cor 7:7) in order more easily to devote themselves to God alone with an undivided heart (cf. 1 Cor 7:32-34) in virginity or celibacy. This perfect continence for love of the Kingdom of Heaven has always been held in high esteem by the Church as a sign and stimulus of love, and as a singular source of spiritual fertility in the world".[76] In virginity and celibacy, chastity retains its original meaning, that is, of human sexuality lived as a genuine sign of and precious service to the love of communion and gift of self to others. This meaning is fully found in virginity which makes evident, even in the renunciation of marriage, the "nuptial meaning" of the body through a communion and a personal gift to Jesus Christ and his Church which prefigures and anticipates the perfect and final communion and self-giving of the world to come: "In virginity or celibacy, the human being is awaiting, also in a bodily way, the eschatological marriage of Christ with the Church, giving himself or herself completely to the Church in the hope that Christ may give himself to the Church in the full truth of eternal life".[77]

    In this light one can more easily understand and appreciate the reasons behind the centuries-old choice which the Western Church has made and maintained—despite all the difficulties and objections raised down the centuries—of conferring the Order of Presbyter only on men who have given proof that they have been called by God to the gift of chastity in absolute and perpetual celibacy.

    The Synod Fathers clearly and forcefully expressed their thought on this matter in an important proposal which deserves to be quoted here in full: "While in no way interfering with the discipline of the Oriental Churches, the Synod, in the conviction that perfect chastity in priestly celibacy is a charism, reminds priests that celibacy is a priceless gift of God for the Church and has a prophetic value for the world today. This Synod strongly reaffirms what the Latin Church and some Oriental Rites require, that is, that the priesthood be conferred only on those men who have received from God the gift of the vocation to celibate chastity (without prejudice to the tradition of some Oriental Churches and particular cases of married clergy who convert to Catholicism, which are admitted as exceptions in Pope Paul VI's Encyclical on priestly celibacy, No. 42). The Synod does not wish to leave any doubts in the mind of anyone regarding the Church's firm will to maintain the law that demands perpetual and freely chosen celibacy for present and future candidates for priestly ordination in the Latin Rite. The Synod would like to see celibacy presented and explained in the fullness of its biblical, theological and spiritual richness, as a precious gift given by God to his Church and as a sign of the Kingdom which is not of this world, a sign of God's love for this world and of the undivided love of the priest for God and for God's People, with the result that celibacy is seen as a positive enrichment of the priesthood".[78]

    It is especially important that the priest understand the theological motivation of the Church's law on celibacy. Inasmuch as it is a law, it expresses even before the will of the subject expressed by his readiness. But the will of the Church finds its ultimate motivation in the which configures the priest to Jesus Christ the Head and Spouse of the Church. The Church, as the Spouse of Jesus Christ, wishes to be loved by the priest in the total and exclusive manner in which Jesus Christ her Head and Spouse loved her. Priestly celibacy, then, is the gift of self and Christ his Church and expresses the priest's service to the Church in and with the Lord.

That the Roman Catholic Church (the Latin rite) allows married men to join the priesthood who were priests within other rites, was not the issue. A Latin rite priest cannot marry, can he? It is disingenuous to pretend that celibacy was never a part of the Roman Catholic canon law. Married clergy are allowed today as exceptions in Pope Paul VI's Encyclical on priestly celibacy, No. 42. That this is a recent addition is undeniable.

So, Mrs.Don-o, my question to you remains respectfully: Seeing as the Roman Catholic Church has been relaxing her prohibition on married priests, do think that by allowing faithful, married heterosexual men to be ordained into the priesthood it will help or hurt the "homosexual" problem going on there? And, could Pope Francis be slowly moving towards relaxing the celibacy rule for priests and would this help to ameliorate the homosexual "problem" for the church?

29 posted on 08/03/2013 10:33:46 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: narses
It's the fluid around the brain trying to merge with the surrounding water that does it. I have a friend who used to live in a tent on his bass boat

and he went totally nuts after a while.

First he though he could walk on water, then he figured he could breathe underwater, and finally he decided to get a bigger bass boat and catch two of every kind of rodent to take aboard with him.

He got the boat but when the big rats started eating the little white mice it was just too much. He started shooting at his crew of rodents with an old 30-06. By the time the boat sank and most of his rodent collection had managed to swim to safety the Sheriff and an EMS truck were carrying him away in a straight jacket.

Very sad.

30 posted on 08/03/2013 10:59:53 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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