Confused how some Catholics can be labeled "Pelagians"?

But I have given the scriptures, and the dividing line you say I cannot give, is this: scripture is the rule of faith for all believers, and whatever is not the scripture is not the rule of faith. So if the scripture says that there is nothing good in you except what God worked by His own working and willing, and if all your righteousness that is not of faith, but is designed to earn your way into heaven, is actually the most wicked sin, what’s wrong if I beat you with the Biblical book? Can’t I smack you around with it all I like until you conform to it?

Do you believe that your works are earning you merits for to get into heaven, or that they come from yourself, and represent your own native goodness? Then, you are in sin, and when you die, you will be damned. Because the scripture says that salvation is such that “no one can boast.” Do you believe that you are saved by the grace of God, through faith, without the working of the law? Do you believe you wear the imputed righteousness of Christ, a holy robe that gives you all the merits you will ever need? Why, then, welcome to Christianity.

You still don't get it - YOU, by your own scripture citations, have no authority to judge. You say, "what’s wrong if I beat you with the Biblical book? Can’t I smack you around with it all I like until you conform to it?" And my answer is: where is your scriptural authority to beat me up? Where is your scriptural authority to decide you have enough understanding to judge the soul of another? What about the scriptures that warn you not to do exactly this? To "take the beam out of your own eye, before you judge the mote in your brother's eye"?

What you don't understand is that the criteria in the Bible are not for use by human beings against each other - only by human beings against themselves. The Bible gives you NO authority to use it in judgement of another soul, no matter what soul criteria it gives. And ANY advice is warned to be given ONLY while the giver is drenched in compassion and humility.

Don't you see the difference between that, and what you are doing?

How many people have you hurt? How many people have you taught to turn away from the goodness God has worked in them, by teaching them that God's work was instead their arrogance about themselves? Who are you to look into a human soul and say - "that is God's goodness, but that is goodness that did not come from God that I need to teach this person to reject"? Jesus said, "Obstacles there must be, but woe to you who provide them. It is better that you throw yourself into the sea than harm one hair on their heads."

Does that sound like he was authorizing people to "beat people with the Bible" and judge the very goodness in their hearts, and teach them to reject it in the name of God!? Are you completely insane?!

Hypocrite!

YOU have no authority but to work on YOURSELF, friend. Your judgement of OTHERS is nothing but arrogance, your absoluteness regarding other people's status before God is nothing but the rejection of the love Christ taught us to treat each other with, and its replacement with hate and cruelty. You can read that book for a thousand years, but how can you find the authority in it to judge even one other soul? You can't, because it's not in it.

The Bible is for you to use as a weapon BY YOU against YOUR arrogance, YOUR hatred, YOUR lack of love, YOUR lack of faith and YOUR failings - NOT to authorize you to judge someone ELSE. You spit questions about belief at people like the inquisition, you throw souls into hell for not measuring up to YOUR particular selection of Bible verses and YOUR limited understanding of them without ever even admitting they ARE your selections. Your arrogance is staggering!

Your mind is steeped in the fires of hatred, not God's love. God works with each and every soul and NEVER gives up on them. YOU do EXACTLY the opposite. What - you find Jesus's approach of compassion LIMITED? You decided that hellfire and damnation somehow are an IMPROVEMENT on Jesus's EXAMPLE?

You are a fraud.

You act out your own inner fear and weakness and rage on others, and teach them that your failings is theirs. You are a hypocrite and a liar and a coward, because you refuse to bow your soul in true humility before God. Instead, you claim not only to be a teacher, but a terrible judge of human souls!

You have made yourself into a monster, because you are convinced God could never forgive you, and you live in fear of His judgement. And from that fear, you damn the entire world unless it lives up to YOUR cruel standards, which are based on the fear you created in yourself from your terrible sin of supreme arrogance: judging yourself as unworthy of God's forgiveness.

And so, you judge everyone else just as wrongly.

My friend in Christ, you are endangering your soul.

Pray HARD for the humility and courage to accept God's forgiveness, before you lose it altogether.

“And my answer is: where is your scriptural authority to beat me up?”

2Ti_4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Then again...

Pro_9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

Considering your reactions to me, saying that you spit on me, when all I did was tell you what Christ and all the Apostles affirm: that your righteousness is foul in the sight of God, and the only righteousness which is of any value is that which is imputed by the righteousness of Christ, without the working of the law. I can conclude from your “spits” and other manifestations of hatred, that the former part of that verse from Proverbs is quite correct!

I hereby affirm, again and again, that if you believe that your righteousness will in any way please God on the day of wrath, then you are thoroughly damned. And the only righteousness which we have is not our own, but that which is imputed onto us by Jesus Christ by grace through faith, and no more than this. So grit your teeth and keep on screaming. And when you tire of it, examine yourself instead of projecting on me your own actions.

2Ti_4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Then again...
Pro_9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
Considering your reactions to me, saying that you spit on me, when all I did was tell you what Christ and all the Apostles affirm: that your righteousness is foul in the sight of God, and the only righteousness which is of any value is that which is imputed by the righteousness of Christ, without the working of the law. I can conclude from your “spits” and other manifestations of hatred, that the former part of that verse from Proverbs is quite correct!

No dude - you haven't shown where that scriptural authority applies to you - you in particular.

Do you believe your affirmations please God? Why are you affirming these things to me? Why are you threatening me with damnation? Do you believe your efforts to judge me, to "teach" me, to "rebuke" me, are your own efforts, and that those efforts will please God?

According to your own "teachings," you do not. Rather, the only explanation left for your behavior, according to you, is that God is working and speaking through you.

That's my point - where is your discernment? How do you know God is working through you, and not through me? How do you know your selection and interpretations of Bible versus is God working through you, and not your own efforts? Does God work through you 24/7? Have you reached the state of a Saint? A Prophet? The Messiah? Or only sometimes? If so - when?

Oh, I know... when YOU interpret the Bible, God is working through you, and you are not making a personal effort. That's why everyone needs to obey your judgement. Because when people disagree with you, then, BY DEFINITION, they are without God, working on their own to please God, and thus fallen.

And how do we know this? Why, because they disagree with you. Because they question your unity with God. Therefore they are fallen, because the bottom line here, the ultimate truth, is that when YOU teach about God, it is God talking through you. THAT is the foundation truth, against which all others must be compared.

So like I said, you're a rancid hypocrite. I'm going to be damned? Says who - someone who has already damned themselves with hypocrisy and arrogance?

You don't know the Bible, and you don't know Jesus. You're a fraud.

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