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10 Quotes That Prove The Pope Is A Liberal
National Catholic Register ^ | August 05, 2013 | Pat Archbold

Posted on 08/05/2013 7:23:37 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

The Pope is soft on Islam.

"It is true that the Muslim world is not totally mistaken when it reproaches the West of Christian tradition of moral decadence and the manipulation of human life."

Encourages Homosexuality.

"It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the church's pastors wherever it occurs."

[SNIP]

He is overtly humble and does not embrace his office:

"The authority of the pope is not unlimited;"

"The cardinals have elected me, a simple and humble worker in the Lord's vineyard. The fact that the Lord can work and act even with insufficient means consoles me, and above all I entrust myself to your prayers."

He makes a point of extolling women and the Church.

“It is theologically and anthropologically important for woman to be at the center of Christianity. Through Mary, and the other holy women, the feminine element stands at the heart of the Christian religion.”

On those neo-pelagians that think they can earn their way to heaven through piety instead of charity:

“If in my life I fail completely to heed others, solely out of a desire to be 'devout' and to perform my 'religious duties', then my relationship with God will also grow arid. It becomes merely 'proper', but loveless.”

He cares about the environment:

“Listen to the voice of the earth...”

He even hates Capitalism:

"the prevalence of a selfish and individualistic mindset which also finds expression in an unregulated capitalism"

(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...


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He even hates Capitalism: "the prevalence of a selfish and individualistic mindset which also finds expression in an unregulated capitalism"

With regret, NCR does not allow FR to reproduce the full article. The excerpt is only about 40% of the original, so if this interests you or concerns you, I strongly encourage you to read the full article.

1 posted on 08/05/2013 7:23:37 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Tax-chick; NYer; Salvation; livius
"No matter what Pope Francis says, many find ways of twisting it to suit their viewpoint" ping.

A shame to see this by Archbold in the authentically Catholic Register.

2 posted on 08/05/2013 7:28:47 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross; Tax-chick; Salvation; livius; Alex Murphy
Duh! My mistake! Read the FULL article to the last sentence ...

"In fairness, I must note that there might be one small problem with my analysis. So small I hesitate to even bring it up. Every quote above is from Pope Benedict. Every one."

3 posted on 08/05/2013 7:31:47 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Alex Murphy

Good article. LOL


4 posted on 08/05/2013 7:32:21 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I agree, They are twisting his words and their meaning.

However he does seem a bit Naïve to me and has not learned yet that he must think before speaking as every word out of his mouth will be taken at it’s lowest meaning.

He is new to this Pope game, didn’t want it in the first place, right now he is being tested.


5 posted on 08/05/2013 7:34:14 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Alex Murphy

“It is true that the Muslim world is not totally mistaken when it reproaches the West of Christian tradition of moral decadence and the manipulation of human life.”

I can’t disagree with this one.


6 posted on 08/05/2013 7:47:32 AM PDT by MNDude (The system worked!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Very cool. I love them both.


7 posted on 08/05/2013 7:51:52 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Alex Murphy

You forgot his disclaimer.

**In fairness, I must note that there might be one small problem with my analysis. So small I hesitate to even bring it up. Every quote above is from Pope Benedict. Every one.**


8 posted on 08/05/2013 7:53:41 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy
"The authority of the pope is not unlimited;"

The authority of the pope is nonexistent.

9 posted on 08/05/2013 7:54:57 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The Pope directly succeeds Jesus Christ as the leader of the Church. Are you saying that Jesus Christ had no authority? Just wondering.............


10 posted on 08/05/2013 7:58:08 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy

Just his being from Argentina told me that he was liberal.


11 posted on 08/05/2013 8:02:20 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Alex Murphy

Capitalism as envisioned by our Founders required self-regulation rooted in morality, generally based in religion.
It was never about flat-out absolute selfishness and greed.


12 posted on 08/05/2013 8:13:31 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Alex Murphy
Encourages Homosexuality. "It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the church's pastors wherever it occurs."

How is that statement encouraging homosexuality? It's encouraging neighborly love ... exactly what Jesus taught. That does not mean condoning or encouraging sinful behavior, however. No one should be victims of violent malice in speech or action. Let's just think about the parable of the Good Samaritan for example.

13 posted on 08/05/2013 8:14:15 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Salvation
The Pope directly succeeds Jesus Christ as the leader of the Church.

The Pope is the successor of Peter not Jesus Himself. Jesus anointed Peter the first leader of His church on earth with the words: "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

Vicar of Christ (Latin Vicarius Christi). A title of the pope implying his supreme and universal primacy, both of honour and of jurisdiction, over the Church of Christ. It is founded on the words of the Divine Shepherd to St. Peter: "Feed my lambs. . . . Feed my sheep" (John 21:16-17), by which He constituted the Prince of the Apostles guardian of His entire flock in His own place, thus making him His Vicar and fulfilling the promise made in Matthew 16:18-19. In the course of the ages other vicarial designations have been used for the pope, as Vicar of St. Peter and even Vicar of the Apostolic See (Pope Gelasius, I, Ep. vi), but the title Vicar of Christ is more expressive of his supreme headship of the Church on earth, which he bears in virtue of the commission of Christ and with vicarial power derived from Him. Thus, Innocent III appeals for his power to remove bishops to the fact that he is Vicar of Christ (cap. "Inter corporalia", 2, "De trans. ep."). He also declares that Christ has given such power only to His Vicar Peter and his successors (cap. "Quanto", 3, ibid.), and states that it is the Roman Pontiff who is "the successor of Peter and the Vicar of Jesus Christ" (cap. "Licet", 4, ibid.). The title Vicar of God used for the pope by Nicholas III (c. "Fundamenta ejus", 17, "De elect.", in 6) is employed as an equivalent for Vicar of Christ.

14 posted on 08/05/2013 8:14:41 AM PDT by mc5cents (Pray for America)
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To: Salvation

” The Pope directly succeeds Jesus Christ as the leader of the Church.”

No, not really. The Holy Father is Christ’s vicar, not His successor.


15 posted on 08/05/2013 8:17:37 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Salvation; MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
The Pope directly succeeds Jesus Christ as the leader of the Church. Are you saying that Jesus Christ had no authority? Just wondering.............

Interesting statement.
Based on Eisgesis and faulty reading of the WORD of G-d.

In addition it clearly states that Yah'shua is not the Elohim of creation.

The Ecclesia was started in Deuteronomy 4:10.

10 Remember the day you stood before YHvH
your God at Horeb,
when YHvH said to me,
‘Assemble the people to Me,
that I may let them hear My words
so they may learn to fear Me all the days
they live on the earth,
and that they may teach their children.’
Seek the face of YHvH in His WORD.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
16 posted on 08/05/2013 8:23:55 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Servant of the Cross; Alex Murphy; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; ...
"In fairness, I must note that there might be one small problem with my analysis. So small I hesitate to even bring it up. Every quote above is from Pope Benedict. Every one."

Lol! Great post, Alex. And good catch, Servant.

17 posted on 08/05/2013 8:24:18 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: markomalley

Corrected as usual.

On the other hand would you say that Peter directly succeded Jesus Christ as the leader of the Church.


18 posted on 08/05/2013 8:24:55 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy
Am I the only one here that thinks maybe the Pope should be liberal?
19 posted on 08/05/2013 8:27:47 AM PDT by swamp40
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To: Salvation
The Early Church Fathers on Apostolic Succession - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

20 posted on 08/05/2013 8:28:30 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy
Is Francis the last Pope: Peter the Roman ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

21 posted on 08/05/2013 8:28:42 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Salvation; markomalley
The Pope directly succeeds Jesus Christ as the leader of the Church. Are you saying that Jesus Christ had no authority?

Are you saying that Jesus Christ stopped leading the Christian Church?

22 posted on 08/05/2013 8:29:30 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Alex Murphy

Thanks, Alex! Wonderful article, right down to the last line: kicky!


23 posted on 08/05/2013 8:32:02 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification, I hope.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

This post meant to cause trouble.

The last sentence of the article could have and should have been included in the first response, but it was not.

The article was written about Pope Benedict and its audience is NCRegister readers who would and can always trust that their newspaper would never disparage the Pope

The poster says read the article knowing many will not, as evidenced by the many discouraged posters

The last sentence, this is about Pope Benedict, was not in there


24 posted on 08/05/2013 8:42:00 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Alex Murphy
"It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action."

It is "encouraging homosexuality" to refrain from beating up homosexuals or saying that they should be beaten up? I don't think so. Or are we to imagine Jesus engaging in violent attacks on homosexuals?
25 posted on 08/05/2013 8:43:43 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Alex Murphy

Francis may be worse than all those who followed Pius XII and Vatican II. And that’s quite a stretch.


26 posted on 08/05/2013 8:44:11 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: All

There is a lot of projection going on concerning Pope Francis. That’s what makes this article with its surprise ending possible.


27 posted on 08/05/2013 8:46:41 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
There is a lot of projection going on concerning Pope Francis. That’s what makes this article with its surprise ending possible.

Funny how no one's taken issue with the author's bait-and-switch assertion that BXVI was a liberal :)

28 posted on 08/05/2013 8:51:58 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Salvation

” On the other hand would you say that Peter directly succeded Jesus Christ as the leader of the Church.”

No.

I would say that Jesus appointed him “prime minister” (if I needed to use another word than “vicar”)

See Matthew 16:19 where Jesus gave to him the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. To understand that more fully, you should look at Isaiah 22:21-22 and see the appointment given to Eliakim. Peter’s successors then retained those keys, but Jesus clearly remains the King of Kings.


29 posted on 08/05/2013 8:53:41 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: stanne
This post meant to cause trouble. The last sentence of the article could have and should have been included in the first response, but it was not....The poster says read the article knowing many will not, as evidenced by the many discouraged posters

I thought mindreading and thought control were outside of the purview of Catholicism?

30 posted on 08/05/2013 8:54:33 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Alex Murphy
What's to take issue with. In many areas BXVI WAS a liberal. I think the point of this article is three-fold:
  1. People have their minds made up about Francis and are projecting their hopes or fears.
    .
  2. It's easy to take a line or two and twist it to mean what you want it to mean.
    .
  3. People are idiots.

31 posted on 08/05/2013 8:58:55 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Blecch!

Mind reading, right.

We’ve been down this anti pope road before

You and I, Mr. Murphy

That and a cursory glance at the effect of and the fruits of your post show clearly an intent without mind reading

A more effective route for your anti catholic sentiments might include going directly to an experienced or especially holy priest

But to use this forum for it seems very inappropriate to me and chicken


32 posted on 08/05/2013 9:04:40 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Alex Murphy

Why are you encouraging people to sin, Alex?


33 posted on 08/05/2013 9:05:53 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: stanne

Murphy believes that the Pope serves Satan and not God.


34 posted on 08/05/2013 9:06:32 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: Alex Murphy

This article is about Pope Benedict.

It is tongue in cheek

It is from an authentically Catholic Paper


35 posted on 08/05/2013 9:06:55 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
a cursory glance at the effect of and the fruits of your post show clearly an intent without mind reading

Would that be these fruits and effects, stanne?

Post # 4: "Good article. LOL"
Post #17: "Lol! Great post, Alex. And good catch, Servant."
Post #19: "Am I the only one here that thinks maybe the Pope should be liberal?"
Post #23: "Thanks, Alex! Wonderful article, right down to the last line: kicky!"

36 posted on 08/05/2013 9:12:49 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Alex Murphy

“The authority of the pope is not unlimited;”


I would say that is a true statement.

Every thing else if an actual statement of his, i agree, i would consider him a liberal and a new world enthusiast.

People who have never had to get out and pick s..t with the chickens do not understand that Capitalism is what feeds the hungry people all over the world.

When Jesus was talking about giving drink or food to people he was talking about giving of ones self, personally, do unto others as you would have them do unto you,
but
Matt 20 shows very plainly that Jesus was not against Capitalism.


15
Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

If the owner of the vine yard had of paid the late comers what they were worth they would have been angry, but since out of the kindness of his heart he paid them more than what they earned the others were angry.

It is nothing but envy of what some one else has, regardless of how hard they worked or did not work to get it.

Who will help me gather in the crop? not i said them all.
Who will help me eat it? i will said them all.


37 posted on 08/05/2013 9:14:16 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: JCBreckenridge; stanne
Why are you encouraging people to sin, Alex?

Murphy believes that the Pope serves Satan and not God.

Murphy believes you should have pinged me to your post to stanne

38 posted on 08/05/2013 9:14:28 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Salvation

Sorry, haven’t found that comment anywhere in the scriptures that I have read and since I have read the entire Bible at this point, I would like your scriptural reference from the LORD that gave this authority to the pope. My Bible says that ONLY through Jesus will anyone see the Father. Doesn’t mention the pope in that reference.


39 posted on 08/05/2013 9:22:30 AM PDT by RetiredArmy ("As in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of Man." The LORD said it would be like this.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Am I inaccurate?


40 posted on 08/05/2013 9:23:53 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge
Am I inaccurate?

Is the sky blue?

41 posted on 08/05/2013 9:25:23 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Alex Murphy

Stanne believes that you should not attribute statements made by others to stanne who did not say this


42 posted on 08/05/2013 9:27:42 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Alex Murphy

Pick and choose all you want

Thatt’s what the lib press does all the time

Propaganda


44 posted on 08/05/2013 9:29:21 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
Stanne believes that you should not attribute statements made by others to stanne who did not say this

Which post/statement did I attribute to you incorrectly?

45 posted on 08/05/2013 9:30:16 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Alex Murphy

Use some or all of the negative quotes just to inject some honesty


46 posted on 08/05/2013 9:32:11 AM PDT by stanne
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To: JCBreckenridge
Do you believe the Pope serves Satan?

Too late for the question - you've already asserted it as the truth, and I'm now calling you on it. I expect you to take responsibility for avoiding any appearance of malice, gossip or slander by backing your statement up, by providing the quote and where/when that I've said it.

47 posted on 08/05/2013 9:35:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Alex Murphy

Check the post i responded to, 38

I HAVE had enough of this particular typical grammar school level yet illogical thread

Take up our argument against the Church with the clergy

If you have any courage or maturity or willingness to tackle whatever obstacles stand in your way to reuniting with your faith if that’s the case

But this post was a cheap shot at Pope Francis intent on turning those who would not read it

Don’t waste my time

I teach ninth g English and I can tell BS from a mile away


48 posted on 08/05/2013 9:39:03 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Alex Murphy
From a DW article:

"Rebellion and revolution - that's nothing new for Latin America: In the 1960s and 70s, Latin American liberation theologians such as Gustavo Gutierrez and Oscar Romero inspired clergymen and believers all over the world. One of them was Ludwig Gerhard Müller, who now heads the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith."

"Brazilian theologian Leonardo Boff firmly believes Latin America will trigger future reforms that are going to change the Catholic Church. "Our church doesn't reflect the European mother church anymore; it has its own origins, its own traditions, heroes, martyrs, prophets and personas such as the famous former bishop of Recife, Dom Helder Camara, or our very own saint, Oscar Romero," Boff said. "These churches will breathe new life into Christianity.""

End of excerpts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3047023/posts

Gerhard Ludwig Müller - Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

"On 2 July 2012 Bishop Müller was appointed prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith by Pope Benedict XVI. At the same time he was appointed Archbishop ad personam. As a result of his new role his is also ex officio president of the Pontifical Biblical Commission, the International Theological Commission, and the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei."

"As a personal friend of Pope Benedict XVI, he has been charged with preparing the publication of the “Opera Omnia”: a series of books that will collect, in a single edition, all Benedict's writings.[5] Müller himself has was written more than 400 works on dogmatic theology, ecumenism, revelation, hermeneutics, the priesthood and the diaconate."

"Müller was also a pupil of Gustavo Gutiérrez, the “father” of Latin-American liberation theology, with whom he has a long and close friendship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Ludwig_M%C3%BCller

Bishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/muller/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20130124_biografia-muller_en.html

Church Revolution in Pictures - Gutiérrez and Muller
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A479-Muller-3.htm

Gustavo Gutiérrez
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustavo_Guti%C3%A9rrez

"I remember that in high school there was a Communist professor. We had a wonderful relationship with him, he questioned us about everything and it was good for us, but he never lied to us. - Pope Francis p131 Heaven and Earth

"I read Our Word and Proposals, a publication by the Communist Party, and I loved every article ever written by Leonidas Barletta, one of their best-known members" - Pope Francis page 39 Conversations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNjUfI07s90

Leónidas Barletta
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?ref=SERP&br=ro&mkt=en-US&dl=en&lp=ES_EN&a=http%3a%2f%2fes.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fLe%25C3%25B3nidas_Barletta

A different perspective on Francis' "wild capitalism" and concern for the poor.

50 posted on 08/05/2013 9:44:36 AM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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