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Dancing Liberal 'Bishops' at Rio World Youth Day
Rorate Caeli ^ | July 27, 2013 | New Catholic

Posted on 08/05/2013 11:24:58 AM PDT by BonRad

Bishops dance to a new tune

World Youth Day 2013, Bishops practicing for event Rio de Janeiro

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/07/bishops-dance-to-new-tune.html 86 comments: Frank Carleton said... At last! POST VATICAN II : THE EPISCOPAL MUSICAL or bishops behaving fatuously. Unsurprising that evangelical Protestantism is advancing in South America. Protestants do such antics better. These gyrating bishops are not leaders but gormless followers aping youthful behaviour and being simply silly. 27 July, 2013 22:50


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1 posted on 08/05/2013 11:24:58 AM PDT by BonRad
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To: BonRad

This is right out of “South Park”.


2 posted on 08/05/2013 11:29:20 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Having bad flashbacks to the “liturgical dances” that were sprung on us during Mass in the 1980’s.


3 posted on 08/05/2013 11:37:37 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: BonRad
Protestants do such antics better.

Perhaps. But, no one can touch Catholic priests when it comes to boy-buggery.

4 posted on 08/05/2013 11:59:36 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: BonRad
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/07/bishops-dance-to-new-tune.html 86 comments: Frank Carleton said... At last! POST VATICAN II : THE EPISCOPAL MUSICAL or bishops behaving fatuously. Unsurprising that evangelical Protestantism is advancing in South America. Protestants do such antics better. These gyrating bishops are not leaders but gormless followers aping youthful behaviour and being simply silly.

I'm sure they were all properly catechised.

5 posted on 08/05/2013 12:01:21 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: BonRad

“Unsurprising that evangelical Protestantism is advancing in South America. Protestants do such antics better”

Psalm 149:3 ESV

Let them praise his name with dancing, making melody to him with tambourine and lyre!

Ecclesiastes 3:4 ESV

A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

Jeremiah 31:13 ESV
Then shall the young women rejoice in the dance, and the young men and the old shall be merry. I will turn their mourning into joy; I will comfort them, and give them gladness for sorrow.

Psalm 150:4 ESV

Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe!

Psalm 30:11 ESV

You have turned for me my mourning into dancing; you have loosed my sackcloth and clothed me with gladness,

2 Samuel 6:14 ESV

And David danced before the Lord with all his might. And David was wearing a linen ephod.

Psalm 150:1-6 ESV

Praise the Lord! Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty heavens! Praise him for his mighty deeds; praise him according to his excellent greatness! Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp! Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe! Praise him with sounding cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals! ...

Jeremiah 31:4 ESV

Again I will build you, and you shall be built, O virgin Israel! Again you shall adorn yourself with tambourines and shall go forth in the dance of the merrymakers.

Job 21:11 ESV

They send out their little boys like a flock, and their children dance.

Judges 11:34 ESV

Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah. And behold, his daughter came out to meet him with tambourines and with dances. She was his only child; besides her he had neither son nor daughter.

Exodus 15:20-21 ESV

Then Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women went out after her with tambourines and dancing. And Miriam sang to them: “Sing to the Lord, for he has triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider he has thrown into the sea.”

Psalm 100:1-5 ESV

A Psalm for giving thanks. Make a joyful noise to the Lord, all the earth! Serve the Lord with gladness! Come into his presence with singing! Know that the Lord, he is God! It is he who made us, and we are his; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture. Enter his gates with thanksgiving, and his courts with praise! Give thanks to him; bless his name! For the Lord is good; his steadfast love endures forever, and his faithfulness to all generations.

Exodus 15:20 ESV

Then Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women went out after her with tambourines and dancing.

1 Chronicles 15:29 ESV

And as the ark of the covenant of the Lord came to the city of David, Michal the daughter of Saul looked out of the window and saw King David dancing and rejoicing, and she despised him in her heart.

Ah, all that Biblical dancing troubles some who know no joy!


6 posted on 08/05/2013 12:01:42 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: BonRad
You and me both.

The Church and the Papacy have come to this?

Why yes, yes it has. Because it's so much more important to be hip these days.

7 posted on 08/05/2013 12:05:36 PM PDT by piusv
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To: BonRad

Novena Solene | Entrada da Bíblia - 3º dia - dia 05 de Outubro de 201
http://youtu.be/MxfO7a7_bWs

About the Ridiculous “Novena Solene” Video
October 17, 2012
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2012/10/about-the-ridiculous-novena-solene-video.html


8 posted on 08/05/2013 12:25:26 PM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: BonRad

Why must you do this?

What good does this act do for Jesus?

Is anything here sinful, gravely?

Examine your conscience.

Why are you outside God’s Church? How are you any more obedient to God and His Church than ANY protestant group of even anti-biblical standing?

Do these men not love Jesus more than....well, not as much as you obviously.


9 posted on 08/05/2013 1:23:53 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

At least the Bible blesses dancing when it is done for the glory of God.


10 posted on 08/05/2013 3:41:18 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: BonRad

See the posting about dancing done during worship that is found in the Bible. It is blessed.


11 posted on 08/05/2013 3:42:34 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: BonRad

Apparently not all catholics are good at the rhythm method


12 posted on 08/05/2013 3:45:54 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

; )


13 posted on 08/05/2013 4:01:46 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: Biggirl

Blessed, you think? Always? Like Moses finding the Jews dancing in front of a golden calf.

By the way, the yutes in Rio and the mindless bishops they were leading, were practicing for a flash mob performance for Pope Francis, not God.

Where in the New Testament did the first apostles, led by a bunch of yutes, dance like fools for St. Peter, the first Pope?

P.S. Approved polygamy is also found in the Bible.


14 posted on 08/05/2013 5:13:35 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: BonRad

I repeat, to the best of my knowledge I have never been in the same room with a Catholic bishop. However, would have been honored to have broken bread with Archbishop Lefebvre and a number of others, living or deceased.


15 posted on 08/05/2013 5:21:50 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: ebb tide

See post 6 there is a listing of Bible passages that blesses holy dancing.

So what is your complaint then?


16 posted on 08/05/2013 5:49:10 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

golden calf, Pope Francis: neither is God.

Now do you understand?


17 posted on 08/05/2013 5:52:53 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Biggirl

“At least the Bible blesses dancing when it is done for the glory of God.”

Indeed!


18 posted on 08/05/2013 5:54:40 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: ebb tide

See post number 6. You have been corrected.


19 posted on 08/05/2013 5:55:18 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

And that is what was going on, ONLY for the glory of God.


20 posted on 08/05/2013 5:56:06 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

“And that is what was going on, ONLY for the glory of God.”

I find nothing unBiblical about dancing to God’s glory.
I find nothing unBiblical about dancing for fun.

I’ve heard it said that those against dancing consider it a vertical expression of a horizontal desire. Sometimes. Mostly fun.

Sometimes I wish people would just lighten up. God made life to enjoy.


21 posted on 08/05/2013 5:58:07 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: Biggirl

Corrected by whom? You? LOL.


22 posted on 08/05/2013 6:13:32 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Biggirl

Do you consider Pope Francis to be God? If so, I have a golden calf to sell you.


23 posted on 08/05/2013 6:15:13 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Now I don't deny that these gentlemen look a little silly, but it doesn't seem to be sinful. Is there any reason this dancing couldn't be for the Pope, God, Brazil and all God's children?

May husband and I sing in a shapenote group which some join in for folkloric, and some for devotional purposes. Probably, for most of us it's unanalyzed, some of both. We say we sing "For God, and for each other."

It may be tuneful. It may be woeful. But is it wrong?

24 posted on 08/05/2013 6:26:04 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification, I hope.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Probably not sinful at least outside of the Mass but possibly undignified at the level of bishop and at any kind of juxtaposition to a Mass, which it was. (Full Disclosure: I have not viewed the actual video and don’t care to).

This sort of thing more suited for kids and teachers at “Mandatory Fun Night” — they really use that term here — when they wrap up the school year’s religious education with a light-hearted party.

When bishops prance like that it makes me scared the pope is going to join in a rainbow parade or something.


25 posted on 08/05/2013 6:41:46 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
God made life to enjoy.

Do you see it that way? As opposed to made humans to serve God? Many Blessed Saints' lives full of suffering and misery, for a reason. Can't say the same for many who go around sporting "Life is Good" bumper stickers.

26 posted on 08/05/2013 6:45:02 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; ebb tide; Buckeye McFrog; Dr. Thorne

I can see you’ve been through this.

What % of those lines u cite are with OT priests/rabbis?

These men are promoting absurd, vainglorious ‘worship’(albeit they aren’t in a ‘sanctuary’, or are they-was a Novus Ordo rite said here afterward?) whereas Our Lord said His House was one of prayer.

I gotta go find that OT line someday (hey I read the whole OT once!) where it was given the noise of women walking loudly in the Temple had correspondence to strife in Judea.

Then there’s always this which it seems u hang onto but a couple OT lines:

Holy Laughter Chaos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn6FF5nhTSs

I haven’t posted in FR in religion forum for ages and I’m thinking I remember why.


27 posted on 08/05/2013 6:47:45 PM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Is there any reason this dancing couldn't be for the Pope, God, Brazil and all God's children?

Knowing what we know about those whose skulls pave the road to hell (St. John Chrysostom), how likely is that?

28 posted on 08/05/2013 6:56:20 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It may be tuneful. It may be woeful. But is it wrong?

I don't think it's right, that's for sure.

Do you think "woeful" is OK for any papal event that had months of preparation?

29 posted on 08/05/2013 6:56:58 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: BonRad; Mrs. Don-o; steve86

Sorry coming back apparently late here.

pls see I’ve done a post (#27) and hope not to get this into a laughter thread.

Mrs Don-o, steve86 has amply answered but the assembled public dancing is below a bishop’s office. In this context they are demonstrating their ‘office’. That they are corresponding to youth who doubtlessly can’t easily distinguish sensuality from piety can easily be posited.
Their idea of gravity in worship is wrong should they think they have to right ANYTHING by this behavior. They are at least poor examples.

I very much agree w/ steve86 that should this be anything near (in physical place /time) a professed sacred rite it is plainly sinful, a violation of the solemnity demanded with Our Lord saying His House was one of PRAYER.


30 posted on 08/05/2013 7:05:06 PM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: steve86

There ya go! Presumption of guilt!


31 posted on 08/05/2013 7:17:03 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification, I hope. (Scratches head.))
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To: BonRad
I've gotta admit I hate having allowed myself get pulled into this thread (which is feeling like a web, and sticky) because I am actually an appreciator of liturgies with all the due Benedictine solemnity, I sing in the Latin choir and thus assist, with deep appreciation, at every Latin Mass at our parish. And I have in the past walked out of Liturgies that were disturbingly unserious.

But my understanding is, this was not a Liturgy. It was some kind of non-liturgical song with gestures, like the kids do at VBS.

Is this a sin?

Really?

Oh, Don Bosco!

32 posted on 08/05/2013 7:26:21 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification, I hope. (Scratches head.))
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It was some kind of non-liturgical song with gestures...

Like the Chicken Dance or the Macarena?

Not much comfort there.

33 posted on 08/05/2013 7:45:15 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Mrs. Don-o

If there was a ‘liturgical rite’ following at the same spot it was very sinful, as the Novus Ordo, given the destruction of the sanctuary’s edges (rails) can be taken to be any masonic egalitarian space around its ‘altar’.

I’ve already cited my take on this even if there is no associated ‘liturgical rite’. Why do they have to stoop to these teens... some false humility in ‘first shall be last’ or ‘washing the feet’ motive? Being ‘personal’ rather than part of that dreaded institutional block?

Their minds are G-O-N-E and one can see it in their faces. I wonder how many took their elevation rite seriously...one needs proper intent...can be posited many aren’t bishops for this reason alone.

And then there’s this encyclical by Paul IV

Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio
http://www.dailycatholic.org/cumexapo.htm

Don Bosco would have screamed at anything like this surrounding his Oratories which he so labored to establish as repositories of The Most Blessed Sacrament.


34 posted on 08/05/2013 7:46:27 PM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: ebb tide

Yes, now accept it.


35 posted on 08/06/2013 4:08:15 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ebb tide

NO! What are you talking about?

Are you trying to act holier-then-thou. That is NOT GOOD.


36 posted on 08/06/2013 4:13:26 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Agreed, same here.

Dance has been seen in scripture and as you have presented as a form of prayer.


37 posted on 08/06/2013 4:16:17 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: BonRad

Yet posting number 6 showed the LORD blessing all those examples of prayerful, holy dancing, that is, the scripture passages. Likely in the Lord’s temple.

Plus also Brazil is a very musical culture.


38 posted on 08/06/2013 4:22:37 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: steve86

A gentle correcting is in order.

A good and holy life is one that is “balanced”. It is one full of both joys and sorrows, in serving God.

Joy can be holy too.


39 posted on 08/06/2013 4:30:55 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: steve86

Please see post number 38. Thank-you.


40 posted on 08/06/2013 4:35:42 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Sometimes I wonder if some of those who have posted opposing the prayerful dancing are just giving nothing but “their opinions” only?


41 posted on 08/06/2013 4:38:21 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

nothing in those OT quotes says anything to support that these are IN The Temple. My read on almost all is they are NOT.

Go read lives of Canonized Saints (will take a couple lifetimes) to get idea of Godly joy etc y’all say you have a line on.

We’ve long called what you are partaking in is Protestant Emotionalism.


42 posted on 08/06/2013 5:51:30 AM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: BonRad

Your opinion and your opinion only.


43 posted on 08/06/2013 5:53:32 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: BonRad

Rather what I say is part of having “joy in the Lord”.


44 posted on 08/06/2013 5:56:34 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: BonRad

This will interest you and prove the point I was making:

http://www.americancatholic.org/Newsletters/CU/preview.aspx?id=251

Plus did not Paul say that one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is JOY?


45 posted on 08/06/2013 6:01:33 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: steve86

“Do you see it that way? As opposed to made humans to serve God? Many Blessed Saints’ lives full of suffering and misery, for a reason. Can’t say the same for many who go around sporting “Life is Good” bumper stickers. “

Yes!

Sex produces procreation, but it is pleasurable.
Food is for nourishment, but it is pleasurable.
Friendship has practical uses, but it is pleasurable.
Life is filled with blessings.

Perhaps you need time to count your blessings?

God commands us to “enjoy life with the wife of your youth.”

If God brings suffering into your life, trust Him. Paul says “in everything give thanks” and “rejoice in suffering”.

Life is good because the Author of life is good.


46 posted on 08/06/2013 7:45:59 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: BonRad

“These men are promoting absurd, vainglorious ‘worship’(albeit they aren’t in a ‘sanctuary’, or are they-was a Novus Ordo rite said here afterward?) whereas Our Lord said His House was one of prayer.”

When David danced before the Lord, it was not in a house of worship.

I have no use for any faith that denies the blessings he made.
There is a reason GOD rejoices when sinners repent.
There is a reason saints sing songs of triumph in the Hebrew Scriptures and in heaven.


47 posted on 08/06/2013 7:48:07 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: Biggirl

I wouldn’t call it pray, but I would call it worship and celebration.


48 posted on 08/06/2013 7:48:32 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: BonRad

“the assembled public dancing is below a bishop’s office.”

Scripture reference?


49 posted on 08/06/2013 7:49:36 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: BonRad

“We’ve long called what you are partaking in is Protestant Emotionalism.”

You might also add to your reading list the Hebrew Scriptures and especially Ecclesiastes.


50 posted on 08/06/2013 7:50:41 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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