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Should Priests Drive Fancy Cars?
First Things ^ | August 5, 2013 | William Doino Jr.

Posted on 08/05/2013 2:35:47 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 08/05/2013 2:35:47 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

A crowd mobs the silver Fiat carrying Pope Francis through Rio de Janeiro
2 posted on 08/05/2013 2:37:06 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Priests take a vow of celibacy. They do not take a vow of poverty.


3 posted on 08/05/2013 2:39:33 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Religious-order priests, such as Pope Francis, do take a vow of poverty. Anyway, we are all called to practice evangelical poverty, appropriate to our station in life, just as we are called to practice chastity and obedience.


4 posted on 08/05/2013 2:46:19 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Should Priests Drive Fancy Cars?

Only if they have a small (rosarie?)

5 posted on 08/05/2013 2:47:51 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: NYer; Georgia Girl 2
The article seems to ignore a very obvious fact: he is a Jesuit.

GG2, Jesuit priests do indeed take a vow of poverty.

Pope Francis did not renounce his vows when he became Pope.

6 posted on 08/05/2013 2:49:28 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: NYer

Drive, hell.
Somebody drives FOR him.

Kind of like Justin Bieber or Bill Maher.


7 posted on 08/05/2013 2:53:28 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Tax-chick

Well I think common sense is the rule here. A priest driving a Mercedes is probably really bad optics. I don’t know any that do or would But they are not required to drive a beater either.

Frankly I don’t want my priest breaking down on the side of the road when I’m in the hospital waiting on last rites. :-)


8 posted on 08/05/2013 2:56:59 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: NYer

One of my early church memories is my parents receiving a letter from the local church asking for money so the Monsignor could get a new Cadillac. My parents - both very conservative - were furious. They changed parishes.

The fact is that it looks lousy. That’s not why people put money in a church basket. It’s bad stewardship.


9 posted on 08/05/2013 3:00:37 PM PDT by Hilda
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To: Hilda

That Monsignor had chutzpah! I guess in his favor, he had honesty. Maybe he sent out the letter as a form of lesson.


10 posted on 08/05/2013 3:12:14 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Hilda

so the Monsignor could get a new Cadillac. My parents - both very conservative - were furious.
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Don’t know your ‘age’ range BUT I remember back in my ‘Altar Boy’ days of the 50’s that the Church or KOFC or a Womans Group or a Mens Group or the BINGO would have a drawing about once a year for a new car and ALL in the Parish, including the non believers, were sold ‘tickets’ for the new car which was to be raffled.
Well we know the Lord ‘looks out for his own’ as I seem to remember it was always a Priest or Nun or such that won the raffle.
I, noticed this immediately and wonder(ed) why the adults didn’t.

In later life it led me to quip at various raffles at the VFW and AL that “since you bought so many tickets I will make sure some of them get in the drum”, naturally I was joking but I wonder where I got that idea???? <: <:


11 posted on 08/05/2013 3:16:07 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --Inside every 'older' man there is a 'younger' man wondering "WTF happened")
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To: humblegunner
Or like Ronald Reagan.

Or like Billy Graham.

12 posted on 08/05/2013 3:21:24 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Georgia Girl 2
I think common sense is the rule here.

As far as I can see, so does Pope Francis. A priest should have transportation that will allow him to perform his duties efficiently and safety.

My pastor has an Audi sedan, very safe and reliable. I think his family bought it for him. Some priests can walk or use public transportation or rarely leave their missions, and don't need to have a personal vehicle at all.

All of them - and all lay people, too - should be asking themselves, "Is this good stewardship? Is this apostolic?"

13 posted on 08/05/2013 3:26:49 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: NYer

If 5th generation welfare recipients can, whats the matter with priests. They at least get it by consent, not by government force.


14 posted on 08/05/2013 3:32:34 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: Hilda

Fifty years ago, the pastor of our parish drove a black 1960 Ford Falcon. Sometimes he did, since it was usually commandeered by the nuns running errands. We had three priests, twenty nuns & a convent, a huge grade school, and the church in the school ground floor & the cafeteria converted to extra space for Mass.

And one automobile. The bishop of our diocese rode in a chauffeured Cadillac.


15 posted on 08/05/2013 3:32:52 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Georgia Girl 2

If they are in an order, they might take a vow of poverty. Diocesan priests usually do not.


16 posted on 08/05/2013 3:41:17 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

I like this Pope and I’m not even Catholic!


17 posted on 08/05/2013 3:41:54 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate." George F. Will)
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To: NYer
It's good to be humble, as long as it isn't taken too far.

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18 posted on 08/05/2013 3:55:53 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: wideawake; humblegunner
Or like Ronald Reagan. President Reagan driving the CJ6 photo PresidentReaganDrivinghisCJ6.jpg
19 posted on 08/05/2013 3:58:48 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
A priest driving a Mercedes is probably really bad optics.

Could be worse.

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20 posted on 08/05/2013 3:59:32 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: NYer

a rich priest should . . . if he chooses to.


21 posted on 08/05/2013 4:02:29 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: NYer
Once upon a time, all Catholic priests were required to take an oath of "poverty, chastity and obedience..."

What happened? Many of us wonder.

22 posted on 08/05/2013 4:14:21 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: publius911

Poverty is fine, most priests receive very little from the catholic church. They do not own their cars. The church does.

In the 70’s, our church who had 8 priests, 20 some nuns, and 40 some clergy (St. Benedict’s in Chicago), had a Cadillac with suicide doors. I am not sure of the year model of the car. They all shared it.

Yes, it was a nice car, but, our church also had gold vaulted ceilings, and alabaster columns.

The church was ostentatious to show its power, wealth, as were all Catholic Church’s.

By no means were the priests getting rich.


23 posted on 08/05/2013 4:24:28 PM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: Oratam

My priest in Nova Scotia, Pere Marinelli, drove a Mercedez. He would fit as many young hockey players into his car as possible to take them to a game. I don’t think anybody ever questioned his integrity and unselfishness. People cried when he was transferred from the parish. I remember him to this day.


24 posted on 08/05/2013 4:42:28 PM PDT by novascotianative
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To: NYer

Priests are free and are able to drive anything they can afford. Those with a vow of poverty probably raise eyebrows by driving Corvettes, and that means their “vow of poverty” is being cheapened in the eyes of outsiders. In their case, I’d say it isn’t wise, but that doesn’t change their freedom.

With diocesan or others with no vow of poverty, then they should drive what they can afford to drive.


25 posted on 08/05/2013 4:45:51 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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Some time ago, our parish priest (a navy chaplain) bought a very well used TVR 2500 sports car and I spent a lot of time helping him get that thing running. One Saturday, he was driving with excessive brio and we were pulled over. The cop was apparently a Catholic too and when he spotted our priest’s roman collar, he said something like: “Father! What were you doing driving like that?”. Our hotrodding priest said “Oh, give me a break - I gave up sex, didn’t I?”. The red-faced young cop just told to get going and behave.


26 posted on 08/05/2013 5:10:11 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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Some time ago, our parish priest (a navy chaplain) bought a very well used TVR 2500 sports car and I spent a lot of time helping him get that thing running. One Saturday, he was driving with excessive brio and we were pulled over. The cop was apparently a Catholic too and when he spotted our priest’s roman collar, he said something like: “Father! What were you doing driving like that?”. Our hotrodding priest said “Oh, give me a break - I gave up sex, didn’t I?”. The red-faced young cop just told to get going and behave.


27 posted on 08/05/2013 5:10:13 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Tax-chick

I’d ditch the Audi and put him in a Jeep, even more safer, reliable and less expensive.


28 posted on 08/05/2013 5:10:54 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: esoxmagnum

How is that parish doing now?


29 posted on 08/05/2013 5:12:27 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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30 posted on 08/05/2013 5:14:40 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: MSF BU

Parish priest in Elk Grove circa 1980s, had a new small chevy every other year. Donated by the local Chevy dealer who also took him to the London car show every year, where the priest would hop on a flight and go to Ireland to visit his family.

Good guy and good deal.

When I worked for the state in south Sac, I had many occasions to check a car out of the car pool. Usually had a choice pinto or chevette. On a hot day I had to shut off the air to make it up most onramps and merge into traffic without being killed. I’m sure they bought 4 cylinders which came with 2.


31 posted on 08/05/2013 5:19:25 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: esoxmagnum

Many diocesan priests have their own cars as they typically have not taken a vow of poverty.


32 posted on 08/05/2013 5:21:10 PM PDT by impimp
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Lol!!


33 posted on 08/05/2013 5:21:36 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: morphing libertarian

That is a safety issue; I really cannot stand underpowered cars! If you want small with decent gas mileage get an old Miata; they typically still have the horsepower to move out of the way.


34 posted on 08/05/2013 5:34:13 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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35 posted on 08/05/2013 6:39:47 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: MeganC; humblegunner
What point are you trying to make, MeganC?

That President Reagan was never chauffeured? Because that would be false.

Or that Pope Francis has never driven himself anywhere? Because that also would be false.

Nice picture, though.

36 posted on 08/05/2013 7:31:12 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: NYer

Nice people should enjoy their nice things.

There is always going to be some poor drunken wretch too ignorant to help himself let alone anyone else. That doesn’t mean the religious experience has to be cheapened for all the rest - imho.


37 posted on 08/05/2013 10:08:07 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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The '34 Stutz Bearcat

38 posted on 08/05/2013 10:21:58 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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Jeeps roll over, and the car you have is more economical than the car you don’t.


39 posted on 08/06/2013 3:01:12 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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Lots of considerations involved.

For a priest who has to drive around a lot - a big parish, or several parishes - a good quality, reliable car makes sense.

I can see that the optics of a high-end luxury sedan or sports car are bad, and it also is not as useful for hauling a bunch of parishioners or sisters about, not to mention the new washing machine for the rectory . . .

But I can see a high-end SUV or crossover because of the versatility, reliability, safety, and comfort. You don't want to be in a bouncing tin can if you're on the road for a good part of the day.

40 posted on 08/06/2013 7:12:11 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: NYer

Personally, I couldn’t care less what kind of car a priest drives. Really.

Regards,


41 posted on 08/06/2013 7:37:33 AM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: Liberty Valance
But just try getting parts . . .

. . . our old Triumph TR-6 was bad enough. THERE's a car that a priest should NEVER drive . . . unless he likes spending a lot of time hitchhiking to his destination or getting under the hood.


42 posted on 08/06/2013 7:43:16 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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I agree.


43 posted on 08/06/2013 8:03:52 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: esoxmagnum
The church was ostentatious to show its power, wealth, as were all Catholic Church’s.

Catholic churches are built with great beauty to give glory to God Who is Beauty and Truth.

44 posted on 08/06/2013 9:28:03 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: al_c

I knew it wouldn’t take long to see the Ferrari that Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Jr. drive in “The Cannonball Run”.


45 posted on 08/06/2013 12:51:41 PM PDT by Crolis ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it." -GKC)
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To: Tax-chick

Eh, that’s a myth. I am not talking about a circa 1955 model. As for the car I have, the little one (old well maintained Miata) is a pretty damn efficient commuter car, but only for short men. I wouldn’t try to fit anybody tall or “heavy” into it, they’re just not designed to carry those people.


46 posted on 08/06/2013 12:52:16 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: MSF BU

Miatas are cute. I remember when they came out.

I drive a 15-passenger van.


47 posted on 08/06/2013 12:53:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: NYer

God bless Pope Francis.


48 posted on 08/06/2013 1:49:37 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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It was the first thing that came to mind. Hilarious movie!


49 posted on 08/06/2013 2:20:41 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: MSF BU

I’m not sure any Catholic diocese are doing as well as they were in the 60’s. I could be wrong. I’m sure there is an exception to every rule.


50 posted on 08/06/2013 2:31:30 PM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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