Posted on 08/05/2013 6:15:40 PM PDT by wmfights
We look back in time, and say the universe is 15 billion years old. But as every scientist knows, when we say the universe is 15 billion years old, there's another half of the sentence that we rarely bother to say. The other half of the sentence is: The universe is 15 billion years old as seen from the time-space coordinates of the earth.
The key is that the Torah looks forward in time, from very different time-space coordinates, when the universe was small. Since then, the universe has expanded out. Space stretches, and that stretching of space totally changes the perception of time.
(Excerpt) Read more at geraldschroeder.com ...
4For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it passes by, Or as a watch in the night.
It’s one of my favorites!
LOLOL!
This is what sends chills down my spine. I think this is such an interesting topic because we get little glimpses of how inspired Scripture really is.
Or even more radical - “before Abraham was, I AM”
There is a story about a horseless carriage being shown to a peasant for the first time. “Inside the carriage,” insisted the peasant, “Is a very small, powerful horse because there’s no such thing as a horseless carriage!”
Insisting on the Big Bang theory is like that peasant because some just can’t accept the idea of something from nothing.
That article gets posted here every so often. Worth looking at again.
I think you may have referred this to me years ago and I just glanced at it then. Years later I read it more diligently and started thinking about it.
As a “literalist”, I have no problem with a big bang per se. When G_d said “Let there be light!”, what would that event “look” like?
That all matter has some central origin - the “bang point” - seems logical enough...
Thanks, Mr. N. These words ring in my ears all these 30 years later.
The big bang idea is bad physics and bad theology rolled into a package. The idea of a supposedly omniscient God suddenly deciding it would be a cool thing to do to create a universe while the idea had nevr occurred to him previously, is basically just as idiotic as the idea of the mass of the universe being collapsed to a point and then banging its way out of the point. It doesn’t even matter whether this happened 6000 or 16,000,000,000 years ago, it’s still idiotic.
Schroeder makes similar points. Both scripture and physics have more wiggle room for God than is commonly acknowledged. If God wants 6 days from his perspective before creation to look like 17 billion years from today’s position that’s doable for him as the creator of physics. He can also do it in 6 literal days and “initiate” everything as though it has been going on for 17 billion years. I was being a bit dramatic the way I put it.
I agree with what you wrote, “I have no doubt that God created everything. I think it’s our understanding of what a day is that causes us to miss some of the deeper messages.”
What I really think is that if God ever lets me know the details of creation, whatever they are, they are going to be in agreement with scripture, and I will hit my forehead as though I forgot to drink a V-8, and think, “Oh, yeah....”
A problem I’m having with the “10,000 year old Earth” theory is that 10,000 years is 100 hundred-year lifespans back to back. As I gain perspective on what a century is, I realize 10,000 years really isn’t very long, and the world & universe we look at doesn’t fit in that box.
It’s all amazing. I am not so interested in being specific about exactly what’s happening though, as I am in noting that the truth of scripture is not ruled out by our observations (our science). Your own observations do not fail to fit.
Mars is old, successful, and on it’s way out...
Earth is mid-life, failed, unsuccessful and quarantined, BUT has received healing (from Jesus), and the cure is percolating here as the angels marvel...
Venus is at the beginning of its life, but it’s looking good so far, despite the enemy’s intrusions...
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." - Gen 1:1
Space/time does not pre-exist, it is created as the universe expands.
All of the steady state theories were debunked [by this discovery] and physical cosmologists turned instead to multi-verse, multi-world, cyclic, ekpyrotic, imaginary time models - all of which result in an infinite regress falsely demanding prior universes comply with the physical laws and constants of this one.
The only closed physical cosmology known to me is Max Tegmark's Level IV parallel universe which posits that 4D is a manifestation of mathematical structures which actually do exist outside of space and time.
And on this thread, TXnMA brought up isotropy v anisotropy - that "without anisotropy we could not exist; without isotropy we cannot survive."
In the first 300,000 years after the Big Bang from our present space/time coordinates, the universe was an isotropic hot watery soup.
If you read the article TXnMA presented at 66 and we discussed at 68 and 83 - and the additional article I posted at 68 - or listened to the sounds I linked at 68, you might have noticed that the Cosmic Microwave Background records the sound waves at the exact moment (300,000 years after the Big Bang from our space/time coordinates) at which photons decoupled from electrons and neutrons, atoms formed and light went its way.
And God said "Let there be light."
If you don't see this as evidence, we can't make you. But it practically screams to TXnMA and to me - and perhaps others on this thread.
By the way, light is used throughout Scripture as a metaphor for God's Shekinah glory. The metaphor is perfect because photons travel a "null path" - for the photon, no time elapses at all. [The photon is timeless. God is not bound by time either nor by space.] Space/time are part of the creation, not a restriction on or property of the Creator of them.
You and me both. As I age I am always doing mental comparisons such as "let me see, the Civil War was just 84 years before I was born; and Pearl Harbor is 71 years from today. So for kids I see walking around today WWII is just about as distant from them as the Civil War is from me." Makes most of history seem pretty recent.
Brilliant. This solidifies my thoughts on Einstein’s relativity and the relation to the 6 days.
I wish I could find a pastor that I disagreed with on the creation of the world in 6 days and apologize (I was a lot younger and less wiser then) to him. He would have loved this article.
I do that too. Great exercise to gain perspective.
Shoot, I’ll need a heckuva lot longer than that!
Several days, at least.
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