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The Lord in a Plastic Cup - Giving Communion at WYD in Rio
Eponymous Flower ^ | Tuesday, August 6, 2013 | Tancred

Posted on 08/06/2013 5:54:47 PM PDT by ebb tide

Tuesday, August 6, 2013

The Lord in a Plastic Cup -- Giving Communion at WYD in Rio (Rio de Janeiro) scurrilous, thoughtless, horrifying forms of an unworthy giving of Communion and a similar reception are customary to Catholics. At World Youth Day in Rio de Janeiro the poor understanding of the Eucharist has reached a new high point of slovenliness.

Pope Benedict XVI. went with his example and gave Holy Communion only to those faithful who knelt and received on the tongue. It was a contribution to the restoration of reverence and comprehension for the Holy. The priests employed were informed only to give Communion on the tongue. The papal example found imitation, yet wasn't driven through the inculcation of general guidelines.

The papal example hasn't changed much under Pope Francis, but for the most part he doesn't give Communion, and is therefore not as visible. The selected priests are no longer instructed as before to give only Communion on the tongue, because besides those, who give according to Benedikts XVI.'s form, have stepped in those who as in earlier times, give Communion on the hand and pass It out over people's heads.

In Freiburg at Breisgau, the President of the German Bishops' Conference, Archbishop Robert Zollitsch whose example on the closing Mass on the papal stage defied the Pope's example, put female Extraordinary Ministers out, who gave Communion in the hand.

World Youth Day 2013 in Rio de Janeiro showed a lack of sacramental understanding of the Eucharist, visible in a new "modern" form of Holy Eucharist. The consecrated Hosts were held in plastic cups. These containers went from hand to hand, were passed out by priests, laity, women and men, and give to the faithful, being passed over their heads.

The lack of imagination of the organizers for a worthy reception or distribution of Communion is astonishing. It's much otherwise in the East, as Latin Christians of the West kneel on the ground in shame. On this point the one who accompanies a priest to giving out Communion, should have a small kneeler instead of an umbrella, which could easily facilitate kneeling Communion in every situation.

Text: Giuseppi Nardi Trans: Tancred vekpon99@hotmail.com AMGD


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; francis; wyd
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1 posted on 08/06/2013 5:54:47 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 08/06/2013 5:57:25 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

“scurrilous, thoughtless, horrifying forms of an unworthy giving of Communion and a similar reception are customary to Catholics.”

Silly criticism about plastic cups.

When Christ initiated drinking the wine and breaking bread at His celebration of Passover with His disciples, He likely broke ordinary unleavened bread. The wine was shared in a communal cup that is not described. Each of the elements was part of the celebration of Passover - including drinking wine in the third cup of Redemption.

Somehow these ordinary, everyday elements were “good enough” for the Lord. Ordinary plastic is fine for 3 million people.


3 posted on 08/06/2013 6:03:55 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Ordinary plastic is fine for 3 million people.”

But it’s not “fine” for the Body of Christ. He deserves much better.


4 posted on 08/06/2013 6:26:50 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

“But it’s not “fine” for the Body of Christ. He deserves much better.”

You could make the same case for ordinary matzah that He used.

The Holy Scriptures include not a single verse of how to implement communion - other than the form of the traditional Jewish Passover meal. The plastic cups were used to distribute the (non-matzah) wafers. No big deal.

If it offends some, perhaps they are focused on the wrong thing.


5 posted on 08/06/2013 6:31:30 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: ebb tide

I will only accept Communion on the tongue, my hands are not worthy to hold the Lord.


6 posted on 08/06/2013 6:48:17 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
You could make the same case for ordinary matzah that He used

Well, one could if it was matzah that He broke, but alas, it was “artos” which is “challah”, leavened bread. And we know this by what came after Jesus said to Judah “what you do, do quickly” and some of the disciples were thinking,

John 13:28 But no one at the table knew for what reason He said this to him. 29 For some thought, because Judas had the money box, that Jesus had said to him, “Buy those things we need for the Feast,

The disciples were under no illusion that they were eating a Passover meal when the Passover lamb had yet to be slaughtered. Even the priests testify to this fact.

John 18:28 Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover.

7 posted on 08/06/2013 7:00:58 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: Venturer

Good for you!


8 posted on 08/06/2013 7:06:24 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Maybe they should all be served in three million free Palm Belgian Ale glasses that the gin mills are all handing out now...
really, don't get yourself so worked up over trying to impress your friends with Waterford for an impromptu gathering of millions-it strikes of vanity and no one will remember it anyway
9 posted on 08/06/2013 7:06:26 PM PDT by Insigne123 (It is the soldier, not the community organizer, who gives us freedom of the press)
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To: Insigne123

That is the best response, do not get all worked up, it is not worth it.


10 posted on 08/06/2013 7:11:49 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Do people customarily break-out the good china for Thanksgiving dinner?

Why is that?

Wouldn’t cleanup be much simpler if everyone used paper plates and plastic utensils?

Aren’t paper plates and plastic utensils good enough?


11 posted on 08/06/2013 7:13:18 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Venturer

Same here.

Always.


12 posted on 08/06/2013 7:13:53 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Insigne123

Impromptu? Really? It had been planned for for years.


13 posted on 08/06/2013 7:19:02 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Biggirl
If you don't get worked up about people self-communicating Holy Communion from plastic cups or a homo teaching Bishops how to dance like monkeys, I don't know what would.

Choreographer of World Youth Day Flash Mob Posed for Gomorrist Publications

14 posted on 08/06/2013 7:26:03 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Venturer

Interesting. Hands are not worthy to hold the bread, but the tongue is.


15 posted on 08/06/2013 7:35:10 PM PDT by Kent1957
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To: patlin

Not so much...

“We have already drawn attention to the evidence that Jesus ate the Passover with His disciples in the upper room on Thursday evening (cf. 13:1, 27).550 Why then were these Jews concerned that entering Pilate’s Praetorium might preclude them from eating the Passover? Had they too not already eaten it the night before? The “Passover” was the name that the Jews used to describe both the Passover proper and the entire festival that followed it including the feast of Unleavened Bread (cf. Luke 22:1). Evidently it was their continuing participation in this eight-day festival that these Jewish leaders did not want to sacrifice by entering a Gentile residence.”

Tom Constable


16 posted on 08/06/2013 7:47:01 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: DuncanWaring

“Aren’t paper plates and plastic utensils good enough?”

If I were serving Thanksgiving meals to 3million friends, I can assure you it would be on disposable plates, cups and using plastic utensils ...


17 posted on 08/06/2013 7:49:35 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: Kent1957

Lord:I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but say the word and my soul shall be saved.

The host enters under your roof , not in your hand.

That’s the way I understand it. Good enough for me.


18 posted on 08/06/2013 7:50:09 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Venturer
I will only accept Communion on the tongue, my hands are not worthy to hold the Lord.

Bible says our tongues are even less worthy than our hands...

19 posted on 08/06/2013 7:57:25 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Some of us have higher standards.


20 posted on 08/06/2013 8:13:19 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ebb tide

At least it wasn’t two women giving out the cups. :-P


21 posted on 08/06/2013 8:17:46 PM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

But you’re not “in Persona Christi Capitis”; you don’t know better.

Those who are “in Persona Christi Capitis”, including the Pope, should have known better.


22 posted on 08/06/2013 8:22:14 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: DuncanWaring

High standards can be good unless they get in the way of something greater. And 3 million is a lot of people.


23 posted on 08/06/2013 8:22:27 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Three million people can get in the way of God?


24 posted on 08/06/2013 8:25:01 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Silly comment to make. GOD has neither commanded, nor revealed ANY instructions in this regard.

Yesterday, you were worked up about priests who danced. Today it is plastic cups. I can’t wait to see what tommorrow brings. :-)


25 posted on 08/06/2013 8:26:34 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: ebb tide

Ah, now you’ve put your finger on where you are wrong.


26 posted on 08/06/2013 8:27:33 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

It wasn’t three million people. That would have been 7.4 people per square meter.


27 posted on 08/06/2013 8:29:53 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

If you’re even Catholic, read the story of Fatima.


28 posted on 08/06/2013 8:34:19 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Sorry, I think Fatima was bogus.


29 posted on 08/06/2013 8:38:37 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Enough said. Thanks for your honest response.


30 posted on 08/06/2013 8:43:07 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Sure - and if you want to post any facts to support your argument on this thread I will read them.


31 posted on 08/06/2013 8:46:29 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
OK. Here are the facts. Feel free to refute each and every one. Good luck arguing with St. Thomas!

The Truth About Communion in the Hand

32 posted on 08/06/2013 8:56:31 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
This is disgusting to me. Can you imagine how The Lord feels to have His Holy Eucharist handed out like bubblegum at Chuck E. Cheese?
33 posted on 08/06/2013 9:11:11 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: ebb tide

I’m with you, ebb tide. I find the whole matter greatly disturbing.

Regards,


34 posted on 08/06/2013 9:16:30 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: ebb tide

Good article. Have you read the book by Maria Simma, “Get Us Out of Here!”??

Says the same thing and a lot more.


35 posted on 08/06/2013 9:16:41 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

No, I haven’t read it yet. Thanks for the recommendation and I’ll look it up.


36 posted on 08/06/2013 9:21:01 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide; aMorePerfectUnion
"Ordinary plastic is fine for 3 million people.”
But it’s not “fine” for the Body of Christ. He deserves much better.

I've certainly read worse:

COMMUNION THROUGH A FEEDING TUBE (And More on Confirmations)
No Genetically Modified Jesus! (Important Issue!) [Catholic Caucus]
Monsanto's genetically-modified Eucharist (Catholic / Orthodox Caucus)
Lawsuit over communion wafer machine:


(CN) A company that makes the "revolutionary Rapid Reload System" for dispensing "wine infused" communion wafers claims an employee swiped trade secrets and took them to a competitor in the communion host-dispensing market. Nu-Life Products wants Nu-Life Church Supplies to destroy or return all the offending items, including those based on its "Quad-Rotator Technology" which allows the dispensers to deliver 400 communion hosts without having to be refilled.

Nu-Life Products also sued its former employee, Douglas A. Henricksen, in Minneapolis Federal Court. It claims Henricksen violated a confidentiality and noncompete contract he signed. The defendants market their gizmo as the "Germ-Free Communion Host Delivery System."

Nu-Life wants the defendants enjoined from selling the disputed items and from contacting its clients, and destruction or delivery of the items. It is represented by Thomas Boyd with Winthrop & Weinstine.


37 posted on 08/06/2013 9:26:59 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: ebb tide

actually, they should have put the Eucharist, the body and blood of Christ, only in golden cups, to show reverence.

Of course, if the Brazilian theives are like those in Manila, I figure half of them would go missing before the end of the mass.

However, I do agree they might have used a bit sturdier containers than those flimsy cups. Why not styrofoam?


38 posted on 08/06/2013 10:59:22 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: ebb tide

One can receive communion on the tongue while thinking sinful thoughts, one can receive communion from a plastic cup with reverence.

But one cannot hide one’s soul from God.


39 posted on 08/06/2013 11:40:26 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Iscool

Then you take it that way.


40 posted on 08/07/2013 4:07:51 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: ebb tide

Am I surprised by this?

Of course not.

More fruits of Vatican II.


41 posted on 08/07/2013 5:18:06 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Talisker

True.


42 posted on 08/07/2013 5:25:37 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ebb tide

Jesus spent His first days on earth in a dirty feeding trough.


43 posted on 08/07/2013 5:30:17 AM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: Theo

There’s a difference between putting the Lord in a dirty feeding trough because it’s all you have and doing so for your own convenience....


44 posted on 08/07/2013 5:36:33 AM PDT by Eepsy
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To: Eepsy

But plastic cups are humble!!


45 posted on 08/07/2013 5:43:16 AM PDT by piusv
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To: ebb tide

This was an interesting article in terms of showcasing an opinion, but of course, in the end it is a division within your church. Leaders on both sides. In terms of the central thrust of your thread, it remains just one view among multiple Catholic views.

I will leave that internal debate to you.

In terms of the Truth of God’s Holy Word... total silence to support the view you advance. Not a single verse that I saw to present as irrefutable evidence.

Still, it was informative about the internecine thing going on. Thanks for directing me to it.


46 posted on 08/07/2013 8:30:06 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Poor prior planning produces piss-poor performance.


47 posted on 08/07/2013 9:24:42 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

You’re right. This isn’t a biblical issue which is why I think it’s pointless for bible-only Christians to opine on it.


48 posted on 08/07/2013 9:26:32 AM PDT by piusv
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
All Gospel accounts agree that it was the Preparation Day, that is the 14th per Ex 12 & Lev 23.

Mat_27:62 On the next day, which was after the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate,

Mar_15:42 And when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, Luk_23:54 And it was Preparation day, and the Sabbath was approaching.

Joh_19:14 And it was the Preparation Day of the Passover week, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Yehuḏim, “See your Sovereign!”

Joh_19:31 Therefore, since it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the stake on the Sabbath – for that Sabbath was a high one – the Yehuḏim asked Pilate to have their legs broken, and that they be taken away.

Joh_19:42 There, then, because of the Preparation Day of the Yehuḏim, they laid יהושע, because the tomb was near.

To be the "perfect" sacrifice, Messiah had to die on the stake at the same day that the Passover lambs were being slaughtered. And per Torah, the meal of Unleavened Bread in which the sacrifice is eaten takes place after dark when it is not the 15th. Y'shua would not have swayed from these instructions and if He did, then He certainly was not perfect now was He? It does not matter what the Jews did and do to this day as they still hold their oral law above the Torah of Moshe which is the veil that continues to blind them from seeing their true Messiah.

49 posted on 08/07/2013 10:38:06 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: Eepsy

Some might argue that Jesus’ humble birth and life were not incidental, but intentional.

As for me, I don’t really care what vessel is used, as long as Communion is celebrated respectfully. After all, Scripture is clear that it’s “bread” that we eat (to use a term Paul used, http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2011:27-28&version=DRA and elsewhere), and not corpuscles.


50 posted on 08/07/2013 10:38:59 AM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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