Posted on 08/07/2013 2:13:17 PM PDT by haffast
(RNS) For more than three decades, the Vatican of Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI operated on a version of the conservative maxim, “No enemies to the right.”
While left-wing theologians were silenced and liberal-to-moderate bishops were shunted aside in favor of hard-liners, liturgical traditionalists and cultural conservatives were diligently courted and given direct access to the apostolic palace.
But in a few short months, Pope Francis has upended that dynamic, alienating many on the Catholic right by refusing to play favorites and ignoring their preferred agenda items even as he stressed the kind of social justice issues that are near and dear to progressives.
“I’ve personally found many aspects of this papacy to be annoying, and struggled against that feeling from the beginning. I’m hardly alone in this,” Jeffrey Tucker, editor of the New Liturgical Movement blog, wrote as Francis basked in the glow of media coverage of his recent trip to Brazil.
“Every day and in every way we are being told how glorious it is that the bad old days are gone and the new good days are here,” he lamented.
Tucker and other traditionalists who are dedicated to high church rituals have been especially miffed at Francis’ simple — they might say simplistic — style since the moment the former Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio was introduced to the world as the new pope back in March.
“How can I love a Pope who doesn’t even want to be Pope?” Katrina Fernandez, a popular conservative blogger, wrote in a column about her disillusionment.
Since Francis’ election, the anxiety on the right has only mounted as he has continued to model a radically different pontificate — preaching about the evils of the globalized economy while repeatedly reminding his followers to care for the poor and marginalized.
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Wrong. They are unsettling and dividing themselves, which they have a legal right to do.
IMO, some on the Catholic Right are obsessed (and I choose that word quite purposefully....obsessed) with relatively insignificant issues (precise times at which we must kneel during Mass, saying “one in being” or “consubstantial”, etc.)
And since whatever is THEIR particular issue, it is obviously the MOST IMPORTANT one from their point of view.
Pope Francis on the other hand is trying to deal, broad brush, with the MOST IMPORTANT issues facing the Church as quickly as possible. The fallout from Pedophile Priest cases, millions of abortions worldwide every year, governments forcing the Church to pay for things that violate it’s core teaching, the rapid falling away of young people, etc.
And I’m with him as we’re at Defcon 1, and frankly I’m a bit disturbed at all the time and energy that went into decisions like “consubstantial”.
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Francis will work unceasingly to put the final nails in the coffin of Christ’s Church on earth.
For the time being the modernists have won. Unfortunately the victors haven’t considered the hereafter.
For the rest of us, who are interested, keep the faith and Father Lasance’s Roman Missal close to your heart. Say your prayers and keep away from the Novus Ordo airplane hangars.
The Society of St. Pius X says hi.
“While left-wing theologians were silenced and liberal-to-moderate bishops were shunted aside in favor of hard-liners”
What a liberal rag this website is!!!!!
Back in 1014 the western Church added one word to that very prayer and it caused a schism that still exists to this day. So it is probably appropriate to use due caution.
You’d be better off attending a Jehovah’s Witness meeting than going to a Novus Ordo Modernist imitation mass.
You’re eager to flush 1,500 years of tenets, rubrics and worshipful ceremony down the toilet. Christ’s Church on earth was not to be a mockery of the religion originally headed by Peter.
Satan is involved in the details here of the evolution of the Roman Catholic church into a contorted caricature of Jesus’ legacy.
There are liberals who lurk here.
It’s unfortunate that so many apologists for the decimation of the Roman Catholic Church are among them.
Are you saying that the Novus Ordo is not a valid Mass? I don’t believe that’s how the Vatican views it, although the Vatican would prefer the Latin Mass completely.
con = with
substantial - substance
Very simple and it goes with the Latin.
If the Vatican would prefer returning to the Tridentine Mass then why hasn’t it be reinstated by any of the popes following the folly of Vatican II?
Jesus is not pleased with what the successors of Peter have done to his legacy left on earth.
I must have missed it..........when did Ross Douthat become conservative? The author is guilty of the same wishful thinking he imputes to conservatives.
IMO, some on the Catholic Right are obsessed (and I choose that word quite purposefully....obsessed) with relatively insignificant issues (precise times at which we must kneel during Mass, saying “one in being” or “consubstantial”, etc.)
Ya, like abortion and marriage. They should support open borders, higher taxes etc.
IMO, some on the Catholic Right are obsessed (and I choose that word quite purposefully....obsessed) with relatively insignificant issues (precise times at which we must kneel during Mass, saying “one in being” or “consubstantial”, etc.)
Ya, like abortion and marriage. They should support open borders, higher taxes etc.
Really? You think you're Jesus now?
SSPX?
Is Francis : "Petrus Romanus" ?
You need to talk to the U. S. Bishops.
Vatican II never changed the preference for the Latin Mass.
“Jesus is not pleased with what the successors of Peter have done to his legacy left on earth.”
Please. My Roman friends here have assured me the Church is totally infallible - never makes mistakes.
Everything therefore is under control.
Yu may have answered this question before and I missed it somehow, but are you a sedevacantist?
That may explain his particular set of distortions.
I’m afraid you’re correct. Pope Francis strikes me as the type of person who has all the love in the world for the poor, the sick and the disadvantaged, but has nothing left but contempt and chastisement for the rest of humanity who does not fall into those categories. Supposedly he rejects liberation theology and maybe he does in its Marxist “doctrines” but he sure can’t seem to escape the social justice memes. Mother Teresa was not that way. She ministered to the poorest of the poor and those who were poor in spirit.
"DAVID GIBSON is an award-winning religion journalist, author, filmmaker, and a convert to Catholicism. He came by all those vocations by accident, or Providence, during a longer-than-expected sojourn in Rome in the 1980s."
"Gibson began his journalistic career as a walk-on sports editor and columnist at The International Courier, a small daily in Rome serving Italy's English-language community. He then found a job as a newscaster and writer across the Tiber at the English Programme at Vatican Radio, an entity he describes as a cross between NPR and Armed Forces Radio for the pope. The Jesuits who ran the radio were charitable enough to hire Gibson even though he had no radio background, could not pronounce the name "Karol Wojtyla," and wasn't Catholic. Time and experience overcame all those challenges, and Gibson went on to cover dozens of John Paul II's overseas trips, including papal visits to Africa, Europe, Latin America and the United States."
Read more:
http://dgibson.com/biography.html
Gibson on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/David-Gibson/e/B001HML5TK/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_7?qid=1375922074&sr=1-7
It was the Washington compost....
Thank you for correcting my "jot".
Si.
You did ask but forgot.
Nein.
Get serious, Sirius.
I am saying that the Novus Ordo is not a valid mass.
“ou’d be better off attending a Jehovah’s Witness meeting than going to a Novus Ordo Modernist imitation mass.”
Are you kidding me? You’d be better off attending any protestant service than attending anything other than a good old fashion Latin Mass!!
Why do you say that?
LOL!
I’m still waiting for Francis to sell the Vatican at auction, and give the money to the poor, as was originally intended by Yeshua.
Protestant?
Roman Catholic.
Attending a Tridentine Mass is the only way to worship God.
The Greeks, no doubt, will be amused to learn of your opinion.
I think some of the things the Pope has said that appear to be promoting “social justice” has raised the hackles on the backs of some necks. That term is often used to promote communist/socialist ideas, so it makes many people very uncomfortable.
When was a Catholic ever to the right?
When posing on FR or out of step with the Bishop of Rome and the USCCB.
I've been hasty once or twice. ;)
Apostasy and tribulation will grow as in birth pangs until Jesus returns. This world is in a state of decay and is dying.
Was Mary crucified for you?
It certainly is easier to point fingers at the traditionalists. If the focus remains on how they brought this on themselves, then no one will have to pay attention to the train wreck that has been and continues to be Vatican II.
One of the basic premises of relationship dynamics is that the person who is upset about something “owns” the problem. If “the Catholic right,” as the headline puts it, are “unsettled and divided,” then they own the problem.
Those who are not upset, unsettled, or divided - which presumably includes Pope Francis - simply do not have this problem at all.
Actually, the headline states that the Pope is unsettling and dividing the Catholic Right. Hence, he is the cause (according to the headline you are referring to) and the unsettled Catholic Right is the effect.
Now if you want to argue whether they have a right to take issue with him, that’s another story. But again, most here, for the most part, think the Catholic Right (aka the trads) are the ones with the problem...so I know how that discussion will end up.
Personally, I’m tired of the focus on this Pope. I think this division has been going on since Vatican II and THAT is the real problem.
Yes, but that's just a way of saying things. It's like saying, "My husband made me angry." No, he didn't. He said or did something, and I became angry. He is not responsible for my anger, and the Pope is not responsible for anyone's unsettledness or division.
I think this division has been going on since Vatican II and THAT is the real problem.
I blame the Civil War. We should have been allowed to secede peaceably.
Really? If my husband cheats and I become angry, he is not responsible for my anger? He is completely blameless? C.mon now.
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