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Pope Francis is unsettling and dividing the Catholic right
Religion News Service ^ | Aug 6, 2013 | David Gibson

Posted on 08/07/2013 2:13:17 PM PDT by haffast

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To: haffast

I think some of the things the Pope has said that appear to be promoting “social justice” has raised the hackles on the backs of some necks. That term is often used to promote communist/socialist ideas, so it makes many people very uncomfortable.


41 posted on 08/08/2013 9:16:18 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: haffast

When was a Catholic ever to the right?


42 posted on 08/08/2013 9:19:12 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Safetgiver

When posing on FR or out of step with the Bishop of Rome and the USCCB.


43 posted on 08/08/2013 11:01:42 AM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
--- not a good idea for me to be so hasty.

I've been hasty once or twice. ;)

44 posted on 08/08/2013 11:04:39 AM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: stisidore
I've read in a book several times that the power of Satan (the fear of death) was defeated by Jesus on the Cross. That event preceded the vision of Pope Leo XIII by about 1,850 years .

Apostasy and tribulation will grow as in birth pangs until Jesus returns. This world is in a state of decay and is dying.

Was Mary crucified for you?

45 posted on 08/08/2013 11:19:40 AM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: Tax-chick

It certainly is easier to point fingers at the traditionalists. If the focus remains on how they brought this on themselves, then no one will have to pay attention to the train wreck that has been and continues to be Vatican II.


46 posted on 08/08/2013 3:24:53 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

One of the basic premises of relationship dynamics is that the person who is upset about something “owns” the problem. If “the Catholic right,” as the headline puts it, are “unsettled and divided,” then they own the problem.

Those who are not upset, unsettled, or divided - which presumably includes Pope Francis - simply do not have this problem at all.


47 posted on 08/08/2013 3:29:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: Tax-chick

Actually, the headline states that the Pope is unsettling and dividing the Catholic Right. Hence, he is the cause (according to the headline you are referring to) and the unsettled Catholic Right is the effect.

Now if you want to argue whether they have a right to take issue with him, that’s another story. But again, most here, for the most part, think the Catholic Right (aka the trads) are the ones with the problem...so I know how that discussion will end up.

Personally, I’m tired of the focus on this Pope. I think this division has been going on since Vatican II and THAT is the real problem.


48 posted on 08/08/2013 4:15:14 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
the headline states that the Pope is unsettling and dividing the Catholic Right

Yes, but that's just a way of saying things. It's like saying, "My husband made me angry." No, he didn't. He said or did something, and I became angry. He is not responsible for my anger, and the Pope is not responsible for anyone's unsettledness or division.

I think this division has been going on since Vatican II and THAT is the real problem.

I blame the Civil War. We should have been allowed to secede peaceably.

49 posted on 08/08/2013 4:18:20 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: Tax-chick
Yes, but that's just a way of saying things. It's like saying, "My husband made me angry." No, he didn't. He said or did something, and I became angry. He is not responsible for my anger, and the Pope is not responsible for anyone's unsettledness or division.

Really? If my husband cheats and I become angry, he is not responsible for my anger? He is completely blameless? C.mon now.

50 posted on 08/08/2013 4:31:39 PM PDT by piusv
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To: IbJensen

Well was not the NO simply the Church going back to its roots to the early Church before 1,500 years ago?


51 posted on 08/08/2013 7:23:32 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Uri’el-2012

Uh..............NO.


52 posted on 08/08/2013 7:26:12 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: piusv
If my husband cheats and I become angry, he is not responsible for my anger?

That's right. He's responsible for his adultery and any additional harms, but he's not responsible for your emotions.

He is completely blameless?

Nope, he's committed a serious sin. However, that doesn't give him responsibility for your emotions. Other people cannot "make you" experience an emotion. The emotional state exists, and the person experiencing it has to own it and address it, or that person is stuck.

This is not, of course, everyone's view of life, but to me, it has obvious survival benefits.

53 posted on 08/09/2013 3:24:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: Biggirl

Not hardly.

All the tenets, rubrics and liturgy were to be retained and exercised in perpetuity until the Second Coming.

The new religion hodge-podged together and gradually eased out of the Vatican II heresy was to be closely allied to Protestantism with the goal of something more than coexistence with ALL regions of the world.


54 posted on 08/09/2013 4:45:45 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Tax-chick

But no one is saying the Pope is directly responsible for the “emotions”. They are talking about the other things he has done/not done that caused the emotions. I’m finding it hard to believe that posters don’t get this. They would much rather blame the trads for it all.

Silly trads, getting all unsettled and stuff.


55 posted on 08/09/2013 5:53:06 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
They would much rather blame the trads for it all.

I don't blame anyone for anything, because I don't have a problem.

56 posted on 08/09/2013 6:12:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: Biggirl
Is Francis : "Petrus Romanus" ?

Uh..............NO.

Saint Malachy, a 12th‑century Archbishop
of Armagh, Ireland seems to think so.

Prophetia Sancti Malachiae Archiepiscopi, de Summis Pontificibus

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
57 posted on 08/09/2013 7:06:53 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: IbJensen

I do think that the NO is simply what the mass was like during the first few centuries of the Church, when the Church worshiped in the home churches and catacombs. Going back to the roots of the faith.

What you described came latter.


58 posted on 08/09/2013 7:53:10 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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