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To: irishjuggler

Pope Francis is no different than any other Pope when it comes to abortion, sodomite “marriage” or any other social issue. He also emphasis other social problems like taking care of the poor. That’s the Jusuit in him.

“Because of his personal style, some on the theological left (or just the left in general) have wondered if and hoped that he might “change the Church’s teaching” on issues like abortion or homosexual “marriage.”

Such hopes are bound to be disappointed.

He’s already on record on both.


Pope Francis is on record defending the right to life for the unborn. He also has resisted framing abortion as a “religious” issue that could be set aside in favor of religious neutrality:

The moral problem of abortion is pre-religious in nature because the genetic code of the person happens in the moment of conception.

A human being is already there. I separate the topic of abortion from any religious concept. It is a scientific problem.

To not let the development continue of a being who already has all the genetic code of a human being is not ethical.

The right to life is the first of human rights.

To abort is to kill someone who cannot defend himself [On Heaven and Earth].

Homosexual marriage

In 2010, Pope Francis’s native Argentina was in the process of legalizing homosexual “marriage.” The country’s bishops took a very strong line against the measure. A statement made by then-Cardinal Bergoglio was particularly pointed.

According to British journalist Edward Pentin:

He made the statement in a letter addressed to each of the four monasteries in Argentina, asking the contemplatives to pray “fervently” that legislators be strengthened to do the right thing.

He wrote: “In the coming weeks, the Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can seriously harm the family. . . .

“At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother, and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of God’s law engraved in our hearts.”

Cardinal Bergoglio continued: “Let us not be naive: this is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to destroy God’s plan. It is not just a bill (a mere instrument) but a ‘move’ of the father of lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

The cardinal also noted that “today the country, in this particular situation, needs the special assistance of the Holy Spirit to bring the light of truth on to the darkness of error, it need this advocate to defend us from being enchanted by many fallacies that are tried at all costs to justify this bill and to confuse and deceive the people of good will.”

42 posted on 08/08/2013 8:55:25 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: All; NKP_Vet

“Pope Francis is on record defending the right to life for the unborn. ..”

Pope Francis also has a record of LEADERSHIP:

Recently Pope Francis surprised 40,000 pro-lifers in Rome by joining them in the March for Life (from But don’t expect to find these kind of accounts in the leftist “Catholic” Reporter.

48 posted on 08/08/2013 11:43:24 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: NKP_Vet
Pope Francis is no different than any other Pope when it comes to abortion, sodomite “marriage” or any other social issue.

We'll see. Sure, he's 'no different' in the sense that he's certainly not going to explicitly approve any of those things. However, where he IS different is in his apparent view that it's unnecessary for him, in his current position of Pope, to vocally express his disapproval for those things. Don't tell me what he said or did years ago in Buenos Aires. We're talking about NOW. When he asked on the plane from Rio why he hadn't mentioned Brazil's impending legalization of abortion. His response was troublesome:
"The Church has clearly spoken about that, it is not necessary to go over it again, as it’s not necessary to talk about fraud, lying or other things about which the church has a clear doctrine. It is not necessary to talk about that, but about positive things that open the road for the young ones. Besides, young people know perfectly well what is the Church’s position about this."

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The attitude of 'okay, we can shut up about all this social issue stuff now because everyone already knows what we think' is a dream come true for the Left. They've been wishing and hoping for a pope and a Church like that for a long, long time.
52 posted on 08/10/2013 10:55:19 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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