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Pope celebrates Ramadan with call for mutual respect between Muslims and Christians
PP Simmons ^ | Sunday, August 11, 2013 | PP Simmons

Posted on 08/11/2013 4:33:18 PM PDT by RaceBannon

Pope Francis on Sunday urged Christians and Muslims to promote mutual respect , especially through the education of new generations. His remarks came at the end of his Angelus address when he sent greetings to Muslims throughout the world who have just celebrated the end of the fasting month of Ramadan.

Text from page http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/08/11/pope_francis_greets_muslims_and_urges_both_christians_and_muslims_to/en1-718872 of the Vatican Radio website


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Other Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: ecumenism; endtimes; immigration; islam; oneworldreligion; pope
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1 posted on 08/11/2013 4:33:18 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon

This is the mark of an unbeliever, one who does nto believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, to make any concession of truth to a false religion, regardless of it’s threats of violence.

This Pope is not a Christian.


2 posted on 08/11/2013 4:34:09 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: RaceBannon
Well...

You can't have a New World Religion without doing such things.

3 posted on 08/11/2013 4:36:01 PM PDT by bayliving
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To: RaceBannon
This is the mark of an unbeliever, one who does not believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, to make any concession of truth to a false religion, regardless of its threats of violence.

This Pope is not a Christian.

This. Was his speech mistranslated or something? Cannot believe he would go that far.

4 posted on 08/11/2013 4:36:34 PM PDT by madison10
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To: berdie

later


5 posted on 08/11/2013 4:39:02 PM PDT by berdie
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To: RaceBannon

Last thing I want to do is be near someone who is religiously sworn to kill me.


6 posted on 08/11/2013 4:42:53 PM PDT by upchuck (My therapist says I have a preoccupation with vengeance. We'll see about that.)
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To: RaceBannon

Ping for later


7 posted on 08/11/2013 4:44:43 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: RaceBannon
? because the muslims are SO concerned about mutual respect for Christians, right?

take a stand....why even MENTION muslims?

8 posted on 08/11/2013 4:44:58 PM PDT by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: madison10

“This. Was his speech mistranslated or something? Cannot believe he would go that far.”

Pope Francis greets Muslims and urges both Christians and Muslims to promote mutual respect.
8/11/2013
http://www.catholic.org/hf/faith/story.php?id=52021

Pope sends message to Muslims to wish them for the end of Ramadan
08/ 2/2013

“But Francis wanted to give his message a more personal touch as a sign of special attention to his Muslim brothers, so he signed it in person: “This year, the first of my Pontificate, I have decided to sign this traditional message myself and to send it to you, dear friends, as an expression of esteem and friendship for all Muslims, especially those who are religious leaders,” the Pope wrote.”
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/francesco-francis-francisco-islam-islam-islam-26934/

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9 posted on 08/11/2013 4:49:55 PM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: RaceBannon

He’s delusional if he thinks he’s going to change the subhuman, murderous muslim/islamic filth, from what they have been, are now, and always will be. They need to be annihilated, not befriended.


10 posted on 08/11/2013 4:50:22 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: RaceBannon

As soon as it is mutual then I will Pope Francis. I think you are awesome but if you think that the Muslims are going to play nice, there is no way.


11 posted on 08/11/2013 4:57:05 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: RaceBannon

Can’t we just get along? said the frog to the scorpion perched on his back.
Like the frog, the Poppa is delusional if he really believes that.


13 posted on 08/11/2013 4:59:44 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: RaceBannon

This pope must be a dope. Respecting a false religion is absurd. What is this guy thinking?


14 posted on 08/11/2013 5:00:09 PM PDT by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: RaceBannon

Why would a Christian make such a statement? and as the muslims certainly dont veiw him as any sort of an authority his statement made in conjunction with the end of rama dama ding dong, a death cult “holiday” meant nothing to ANYONE..but One Worlders


15 posted on 08/11/2013 5:00:26 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Chicago Murder Updates..http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/)
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To: haffast

Cardinal Dolan makes first visit to NYC mosque, meets with Staten Island Muslim leaders
Staten Island Advance ^ | updated June 20, 2013 at 6:33 AM | Maura Grunlund

“You love God, we love God and he is the same God,” the cardinal said of the Muslim and Roman Catholic faiths.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3035162/posts

Op-Ed: Not the Same God
Arutz Sheva7 - Israel National News ^ | Published: Friday, July 12, 2013 7:55 AM | Tabitha Korol
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Bishop Conry issues Pastoral Letter on relations with Muslims during Ramadan
Posted: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:37 pm
http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=22967

We need to grow in understanding of Muslims, English bishop says
Catholic Herald ^ | Friday, 19 July 2013 | Staff Reporter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3045139/posts


16 posted on 08/11/2013 5:07:50 PM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: napscoordinator

The Pope is saying nothing more than has been said in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, 841: “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

Also in Lumen Gentium, section 16 (1964): “But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.”

And Nostra Aetate, section 3 (1965): “The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.”

Pope Francis is doing nothing more than reiterating what is, quite frankly, the teachings of the Catholic Church post Vatican II. And all of the above also applies to the Jews as well, so they’re not left out either.

Take that for what that’s worth; I have no dog in this particular hunt.


17 posted on 08/11/2013 5:13:09 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: RaceBannon
Mutual respect?? Their motto is "Kill all the Christians and jews".

There is no "mutual".

18 posted on 08/11/2013 5:16:44 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: RaceBannon

He did NOT celebrate Ramadan. He spoke to Muslims as they wrapped up their celebration of Ramadan. Is this your headline, or the actual headline? The URL you gave showed a different one.


19 posted on 08/11/2013 5:17:29 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: RaceBannon

Ain’t gonna happen.


20 posted on 08/11/2013 5:18:38 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: RaceBannon

Ah .... I see where that headline came from - the PPSimmons blog.


21 posted on 08/11/2013 5:22:19 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: napscoordinator; RaceBannon

I understand your angst. I do. But let me ask you a hypothetical. If the head of the Southern Baptist Convention had said we should have mutual respect between Christians and, I don’t know, say the wiccans, would you feel this reflected poorly on that leader?

Now wiccans are a poor example, because they do not routinely slaughter their theological enemies. But they are adverse to the cause of Christ. I honestly cannot picture the Apostle Paul or John or least of all Jesus offering them the cover of some purported “mutual respect.”

But the subjects of this controversy don’t need and don’t deserve our respect *as muslims.” But we should still love our enemies. And if that had been the approach taken, instead of the treacherous waters of “mutual respect,” I do not think it would have raised so many eyebrows.


22 posted on 08/11/2013 5:22:57 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: RaceBannon

This is the mark of a Pope who is trying to convert millions.

Did you read the story about the Pentecostals in Brazil that converted to Catholicism?


23 posted on 08/11/2013 5:23:38 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: carriage_hill

“Go out into the whole world, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

Weren’t those the words of Christ to the apostles before his Ascension?


24 posted on 08/11/2013 5:25:19 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RaceBannon; Religion Moderator

Boy, that’s an anti-Catholic website, if I ever saw one!


25 posted on 08/11/2013 5:28:15 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RaceBannon

I thought well of this new Pope and have, incident after incident lost those good thoughts.


26 posted on 08/11/2013 5:28:23 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: RaceBannon

Funny, Islam will now call for a Jihad against the Pope


27 posted on 08/11/2013 5:29:40 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: upchuck

amen to that.


28 posted on 08/11/2013 5:32:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

we know he’s ssayng that. he is wrong, this teaching of the church is wrong on this. muslims are not saved, they don’t get a pass because they think Mary is awesome, and even more liked than Jesus who they call a liarand not the Son of God.

they have zero inheritance in the One True God - NOT ALLAH - as muslims. just like any other person who does not receive Jesus Christ as God, Savior and Lord.


29 posted on 08/11/2013 5:35:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

the wiccan religion does not have a core belief to force conversion or kill those who won’t convert to wicca.

people that want to jihad you to death arent interested in mutual respect.


30 posted on 08/11/2013 5:37:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: RaceBannon
I'm with you on this, race

Now I'll read the rest of the death threats to you

Maranatha, brother.

31 posted on 08/11/2013 5:42:04 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Salvation

I pray to Him every night for help, but I see this sick reality every day. I’m greatly flawed and a sinner, looking for His help.


32 posted on 08/11/2013 5:43:39 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Salvation

You mean that a community of Pentecostals that came into the Catholic Church? Congratuations and WELCOME HOME brothers and sisters!


33 posted on 08/11/2013 5:43:51 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

On this thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3053539/posts


34 posted on 08/11/2013 5:45:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RaceBannon
Hokey Smoke, Bullwinkle !

Where're the Catholics ?

35 posted on 08/11/2013 5:46:52 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: carriage_hill

I don’t condone what the Muslims do at all. Prayer is what they need.

With God’s help, something will happen here — although we may not live to see it.


36 posted on 08/11/2013 5:47:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

If my memory is correct, I think St. Francis of Assisi even preached to a group of Muslims.


37 posted on 08/11/2013 5:47:05 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ZinGirl

You are totally right—why even mention them.

The Pope being a civilized person does not understand the unreasoning hatred in the minds of the true Muslim believer. He is trusting that there will be some bit of humanity that he can appeal to but for the real hardcore Islamists this will appear to be weakness. They will despise the Pope and will be encouraged to provoke him just for spite. When Pope Benedict asked the Muslims to not kill and abuse Christians the top clerics told him to mind his own business. These people are animals, they had every shred of decency drained out of them in their childhood.


38 posted on 08/11/2013 5:55:30 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

Pray for the conversion of ALL, including the Muslims, to Christ.


39 posted on 08/11/2013 5:58:41 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: knarf

‘There’s no one on the sidelines when Notre Dame plays SMU.’
Dwight Eisenhower


40 posted on 08/11/2013 6:01:13 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: RaceBannon

The word celebrate is so loaded and dishonest.... there is no time for ramadam in the roman catholic church- conflicts with all the veneration saints days and feasts...


41 posted on 08/11/2013 6:04:57 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: RaceBannon

If the Pope is not “reaching out” to the homo movement, he’s pushing for common ground with rabid creatures that make baboons looks relatively civilized.

Pull it together Pope Francis.


43 posted on 08/11/2013 6:14:37 PM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: RaceBannon

LOL pope! Respect the greatest anti-truth, anti-freedom, anti-individual, anti-live collective in the history of civilization?

Fislam


44 posted on 08/11/2013 6:17:08 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Vendome

Well-stated, Vendome. Thanks.


45 posted on 08/11/2013 6:18:25 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: RaceBannon

My guess is Moslems will never respect Christians. They will always revel in dead ones.


46 posted on 08/11/2013 6:18:30 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Springfield Reformer

>>>But we should still love our enemies.>>>

I once heard a priest explain the above statement in this way: We cannot love all our enemies. We sometimes even have neighbors we cannot like. What God requires of us is to love the soul he has created. He even said that we do not have to allow them to keep harming us. All came clear to me with that statement.


47 posted on 08/11/2013 6:22:35 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: Biggirl

I do pray for Muslims and their conversion.


48 posted on 08/11/2013 6:22:40 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: RaceBannon
Did the Pope just declare JIhad on mudslimes?

It's the same level of respect they give us. That is the definition of MUTUAL.

49 posted on 08/11/2013 6:23:33 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Salvation

I am watching the movie about the monks who moved to a housing project in Ireland. It is a reminder that God changes lives on His timetable.

Today’s readings were about having faith and not being afraid.


50 posted on 08/11/2013 6:30:10 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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