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What's So Uncool About Cool Churches
The Gospel Side ^ | September 23, 2012 | Matt Marino

Posted on 08/12/2013 5:32:45 PM PDT by LUV W

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To: warsaw44

I always thought Tylenol was so harmless it can’t cure anything, even a headache. That’s why doctors and hospitals prescribe it like candy because they know it won’t lead to lawsuits and the placebo effect usually gives them the results they need.

I think the only way you can die from Tylenol was for someone to tamper with the bottle, which was what led to all the special packaging after someone around 1980 started poisoning bottles and then putting them back on the shelves.


51 posted on 08/12/2013 7:21:18 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Howdy to all you government agents spying on me.)
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To: warsaw44

Also, in the case of my wife, it was an accumulation of the drug in her system vs. taking an overdose. I’m difficult to live with, but not that bad :-). Hopefully a doctor familiar with the drug that resides on FR can provide more insight.


52 posted on 08/12/2013 7:22:16 PM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: LUV W

The charismatics have infiltrated our church and have taken control of the music every other week. I don’t go to church to be ool; therefore, I don’t need Guitar Zhero from the choir loft. I hope our new bishop stifles them.


53 posted on 08/12/2013 7:27:41 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: warsaw44

A friends daughter took a dozen when she was a freshman in college. She nearly died and has suffered from liver disease ever since. Liver damage is the most widely known effect of Tylenol abuse.


54 posted on 08/12/2013 7:37:29 PM PDT by pgkdan (Marco Rubio can go straight to hell!)
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To: mylife

Cowboy churches are quite common in Texas and they are nearly all very conservatve.

There is a long history of these churches in the West.


55 posted on 08/12/2013 7:38:11 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: warsaw44

Happens everyday. That is why max dose is 3 grams per day.


56 posted on 08/12/2013 7:39:40 PM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: mylife
Then there are all the Cowboy Churches

There is a Cowboy Church in Meeteetse, Wyoming right where I was born in 1939.

My dad Sold the place about 1950.

57 posted on 08/12/2013 7:46:44 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Coming Home Network



58 posted on 08/12/2013 7:48:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: yellowhorse; Hot Tabasco

The way our Protestant denomination puts it, we display an empty cross instead of a crucifix because “He is Risen”.


59 posted on 08/12/2013 7:51:21 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: abigail2

I love you man. Jesus died for your sins—past present and future. Give me a list of the things you think you must do to be saved, First, read John 3:16 — then we’ll talk


60 posted on 08/12/2013 7:51:41 PM PDT by SADMILLIE (r)
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To: LUV W

Self-esteem is what 2013 considers spiritual feeding.


61 posted on 08/12/2013 7:56:02 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: AD from SpringBay

Yes, words that tickle their ears but do not feed them with God’s truth! Sad.....


62 posted on 08/12/2013 8:11:13 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: LUV W

Quite an article, though of course not a popular idea in today’s ‘McChurch’.

Once you get past the too-loud guitars, ‘worship team’ members dressed in cutoff shorts and flip-flops leading worship and marketing exercises disguised as worship, you get a good look at some of today’s churches.

My church, which is considered fairly conservative, would do anything to attract a college student including running roughshod over the standards and values of worship of existing longtime members. A lot of times the people the service is designed to attract wind up leaving anyway.


63 posted on 08/12/2013 8:20:17 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: LUV W

“Sinners In The Hands of an Angry God” is one of my favorite sermons. We need that printed for free.


64 posted on 08/12/2013 8:23:21 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Colonel_Flagg

It’s disturbing and sad that the ones they are targeting will never really learn the truth from such “worshiptainment”.

I hope your church will someday see the light, and return to their first Love.


65 posted on 08/12/2013 8:28:55 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: ntnychik
"And now Mary brought in a pound of pure spikenard ointment, which was very precious, and poured it over Jesus’ feet, wiping his feet with her hair; the whole house was scented with the ointment. One of his disciples, the same Judas Iscariot who was to betray him, said when he saw it, Why should not this ointment have been sold? It would have fetched three hundred silver pieces, and alms might have been given to the poor. He said this, not from any concern for the poor, but because he was a thief; he kept the common purse, and took what was put into it. And Jesus said, Let her alone; enough that she should keep it for the day when my body is prepared for burial. You have the poor among you always; I am not always among you." ~ St. John 12:3-8
66 posted on 08/12/2013 8:37:10 PM PDT by Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey ("I have an open mind ... just not so open that my brain falls out onto the floor!!")
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To: SADMILLIE; GeronL

Surrender your will to God. Really let go and let God. We are constantly tempted by evil to become God ourself. We need to be ever vigilant, and return right back when we find we have strayed. Of course Jesus is the only savior. No one can find God except through him. In my opinion we are grafted back into the same vine He is.


67 posted on 08/12/2013 8:48:36 PM PDT by abigail2
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To: GeronL
This is surely an exaggeration given that God Himself asked for “symbols” in his House —the Tabernacle, as a sign that he was among his people. He doesn't need such things but we do need the assurance.
68 posted on 08/12/2013 8:51:02 PM PDT by RobbyS
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69 posted on 08/12/2013 8:51:24 PM PDT by narses
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To: RobbyS

You don’t replace God with symbols. You cannot pray to the symbols.


70 posted on 08/12/2013 8:54:15 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: buffaloguy; mylife; GeronL

What’s wrong with cowboy or truck stop churches? They serve those in careers that might make it difficult for them to attend conventional churches. Along the same line, the Church of Land and Sea in New York City and the Mariners’ Church in Detroit served sailors during the previous two centuries.


71 posted on 08/12/2013 9:11:19 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: GeronL

No, but the right signs dispose us to pray to the right god, just as the right kind of music does. We are sensible beings, not angels.and sound is not our only sense.


72 posted on 08/12/2013 9:11:52 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: GeronL; Colonel_Flagg
You cannot pray to the symbols.

....or to cymbals! :)

73 posted on 08/12/2013 9:13:25 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: edh

edh, God is good, All the time!


74 posted on 08/12/2013 9:14:23 PM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: warsaw44

14 extra strength tylenol tablets in a day are enough to cause an overdose.


75 posted on 08/12/2013 10:07:41 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: LUV W
Church of the Holy Cymbal Chimp!


76 posted on 08/12/2013 10:57:19 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: mylife

I remember the beginnings of cowboy churches, made sense then and still does. People that rodeo for a living travel constantly and seldom are at home.

Many rodeo people are Christian and want to attend church but it was difficult for them to find out necessary information- time, location, etc. to attend church in a town they may only be in for a few hours or a day. Add to that mix that most are driving trucks, pulling horse trailers and don’t want to wander about town too much. Due to clothing and cultural issues they also did not feel welcome at many churches if they did manage to hunt one up.

Cowboy church solved those issues, the church service is held right at the rodeo grounds so not hard to find, others there dress and act as you do and in fact are your friends that you rodeo with so it is like a community church wherever you may be.

Cowboy church has grown to include many other people; mostly rural people who again may not feel welcome at the church in the nearest town/city. I am not sure why you are against Cowboy Church, it is much like the small town church of our past. I think judgmental people like you are the reason Cowboy Churches exist.


77 posted on 08/12/2013 11:50:47 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: LUV W

tylenol overdose? They can be nasty, and fatal, but there is an antidote for that... and nowadays if the liver degenerates, they will try to do a transplant.

Must be an old story.


78 posted on 08/13/2013 12:50:12 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: GeronL; RobbyS
RS, GL is trying to sidestep the issue of symbolism by pretending that people "pray to" symbols (which no one does) as opposed to using symbols as a means of worship.

GL would be the first to insist upon using the Scriptures in worship, but will not acknowledge that words themselves are symbols.

It is okay to write "cross" but not to draw a cross, according to this muddled line of thinking.

79 posted on 08/13/2013 3:41:55 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

There is a point where it becomes a totem or idolatry.

If the symbol is a REQUIREMENT for your worship, then you are doing it wrong.

I never said it was wrong to draw a cross.


80 posted on 08/13/2013 3:44:08 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

Scripture is not a symbol.


81 posted on 08/13/2013 3:46:59 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
Are the Scriptures Christ, or are they signs which point to Christ?
82 posted on 08/13/2013 3:49:29 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Scripture is the inspired word of God. It is not a symbol, it is more like an instruction manual. Beside the issue since I don't know any group that prays to the book.
83 posted on 08/13/2013 3:54:21 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
Even if we were to reduce the Scriptures to a mere instruction manual, an instruction manual is still a description of reality which points to the actual reality itself underneath the escription.

And you make my point for me - no one worships the Scriptures, but they do use them in worship. Just as no one worships a crucifix, but they do use crucifixes in worship.

There is also the matter that for 99+% of Christians in this country, the Scriptures are a double representation of reality - they use English and Spanish representations of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek words which are themselves representations of underlying realities.

84 posted on 08/13/2013 4:03:16 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

We wouldn’t have Christianity without scripture.

None of the symbols, totems or idols are necessary. As a matter of fact idolatry is strictly prohibited.


85 posted on 08/13/2013 4:07:28 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Ever see the movie CROMWELL with Richard Harris?

Awesome movie! I happen to agree with him. No need for ostentatious decor. Jesus was a simple man and His Word "bling" to be heard.

86 posted on 08/13/2013 4:23:12 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: GeronL; ebb tide
Any 2 or 3 can hold service in a living room or backyard on Wednesday night and it is no less “church” than Sunday morning in the building with others.

Completely agree!!! I have recently had a running "conversation" with another freeper who thought it was disgusting that communion was passed out to 3 million people in Brazil in plastic cups. I thought it was incredibly wonderful that 3 million people were celebrating Jesus! I'm for substance rather than "ceremony".

87 posted on 08/13/2013 4:34:38 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: GeronL

ROFL!!


88 posted on 08/13/2013 5:40:29 AM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: Fiji Hill

Cowboy churches were home churches before the “Home Church Movement” became cool.

Most cowboys were family men with families back east. Their role as cowboys served to get them capital for land and a starter herd and to learn the business of ranching. They were not just drifters.

Church was provided for those who spent most of their time on the range. If they were in at the ranch the service would be held in the barn in cold weather.

The history of these churches stretches back a long way...150-200 years or so.


89 posted on 08/13/2013 6:32:00 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: ntnychik; yellowhorse; Hot Tabasco
The way our Protestant denomination puts it, we display an empty cross instead of a crucifix because “He is Risen”.

Paul has a slightly different take on what we should be doing 1 Corinthians 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,

90 posted on 08/13/2013 6:41:21 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: GeronL
Scripture is not a symbol.

It depends on the disposition of the person praying, and that can't be discerned from mere observation.

91 posted on 08/13/2013 6:45:54 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: GeronL; wideawake
We wouldn’t have Christianity without scripture.

The scriptures began to be written about 21 years after the Resurrection, the last book was not finished until about 40 years later. The Canon was not ordered until 393 at the council of Hippo and confirmed in 397 at the council of Carthage.

Are you really trying to say that we didn't have Christianity till 21, 40+, 360+ years after Christ's resurrection? Were the apostles able to preach Christ with out a Bible in their hands?

92 posted on 08/13/2013 6:51:26 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: LUV W; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan

To a degree, I agree with this article. At the same time, I see absolutely nothing wrong with excited, loud, exuberant worship. Contemporary music is, by and large, a combination of new tunes with scripture at its core and old faithful hymns in a more exuberant key.

I’ve wondered about the separation of the young from the old in worship, and really am inclined to have five and up in the regular worship service. Parents should have something in their lives that forces them to practice making their kids behave. The kids need to have the worship of the church engraved in their memories.

I don’t have problems with youth groups, and in fact think that they’ve been around far longer than the contemporary music scene. Our young are going to group together with SOMEONE, whether school, sports, or community. I’d prefer they were in a church youth group.

That group, of course, should teach respect and honor for parents and the elderly. Any hint of conceit by ANY group in the church is a sign of a problem.


93 posted on 08/13/2013 7:18:35 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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