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Christians use prophecy to excuse laziness
RenewAmerica.com ^ | February 4, 2009 | Baldwin, Chuck

Posted on 08/14/2013 7:23:11 AM PDT by Sheapdog

In response to my two previous columns regarding the current development of a devilish New World Order, many professing Christians wrote me with comments to the effect that we should not be concerned about whatever global tyranny may be developing, because "it's all a part of God's plan," or "Jesus is coming soon," and similar statements. I, too, believe in the imminent return of Jesus Christ to earth. But, then again, so did Christians from every generation over the last two millennia. In fact, the Apostle Paul was looking for the return of Christ while he lived (Philippians 3:20). But does anticipation of Christ's Second Coming excuse personal neglect, indifference, and downright laziness? Of course not.

Had pastors and Christians of colonial America believed and acted as most Christians believe and act today, this country would still be a Crown colony and we would never have known the freedoms and liberties that our forebears bequeathed to us. Christians of that era, however, believed that it was their duty and obligation to fight for right and do everything within their power to resist tyranny. They also believed that God would honor and bless their efforts, which He certainly did!

It is extremely difficult for me to reconcile the apathy and slave-like mentality that seems to permeate modern Christendom (in America) with both our own heritage and the very Word of God. For example, the Apostle Paul is very clear when he writes that a Christian must never "do evil, that good may come" (Romans 3:8). Yet, that is exactly what many, if not most, Christians are doing today.

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1 posted on 08/14/2013 7:23:12 AM PDT by Sheapdog
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To: Sheapdog

I realize these are older articles and that Chuck Baldwin might not be viewed very highly around here but thought these articles warrant some discussion given current circumstances.


2 posted on 08/14/2013 7:24:55 AM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: Sheapdog

It’s nothing but fatalism in disguise.


3 posted on 08/14/2013 7:25:45 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

I’d add a pretty good dose of ‘fatigue’ to that as well.


4 posted on 08/14/2013 7:26:45 AM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: Sheapdog

Thank you for posting. This is a very real and very, very dangerous issue that simply must be addressed in many Christian circles.


5 posted on 08/14/2013 7:28:25 AM PDT by Obadiah (Inside of every Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.)
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To: Sheapdog

Amen.


6 posted on 08/14/2013 7:31:13 AM PDT by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: Obadiah

I hear all these things like

Vengeance is mine saith the Lord

Watch and wait

He will fight your battles

so what is right?


7 posted on 08/14/2013 7:32:57 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Sheapdog
"do evil, that good may come" (Romans 3:8)"

Like funding Obamacare's child sacrifice so they can chase Rove's fantasy of winning the midterms?

8 posted on 08/14/2013 7:33:00 AM PDT by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: Obadiah

It’s not just Christians. Americans in general have become bored, lazy, and just want to be entertained. Any real thinking, commitment, or, forbid, call to action overwhelms them.


9 posted on 08/14/2013 7:33:23 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: Sheapdog

I see nothing in the book of Revelations that suggests I should just lie down and wait for the return of God. If that were true, why has anyone bothered to stand for righteousness over the last 2000 years?

I think I’ll continue to fight for what I believe in until God indicates that I do otherwise. I got nothing better to do while waiting.


10 posted on 08/14/2013 7:35:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sheapdog
So, the next time you hear some piety-draped Christian talking about how he won't engage the enemy and fight for liberty, because of prophecy, or some other spiritually-sounding platitude, just remember, it has nothing to do with prophecy, or anything of the sort: it has everything to do with old-fashioned laziness. My feeling toward him is the same as that of Sam Adams (a fellow Christian) toward the Tories of old: "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest for freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!" Amen!

Hear YE! Hear YE!

11 posted on 08/14/2013 7:35:51 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Obadiah
This is a very real and very, very dangerous issue that simply must be addressed in many Christian circles.

I know Christians (especially women) who won't get vocal or get involved because Jesus is coming soon to rapture them out before things get bad...

12 posted on 08/14/2013 7:36:17 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: James C. Bennett
I guess you have not heard of the Seven Deadly Sins. One of them is sloth......laziness.

Five Biblical Lists of Mortal Sins
On Sloth and the Noonday Devil
Anger, Hatred and Irrational Rage
The Deadliest of the Deadlies, Today
The Meanest of the Seven Deadly Sins?
Envy A Capital Sin [Ecumenical]
Understanding God's Anger: Compline, Anger, and God
Anger and the Anger of God (Quotes from Scripture)

Lists Every Catholic Should be Familiar With: The 7 Capital Sins and their Contrary Virtues
Prayer to be Freed of the Seven Deadly Sins
The Seven Deadly Sins Revisited: Greed
"Care for an Entrée With Your Entrée?" Gluttony, the Forgotten Sin
Seven Deadly Sins: Sloth or 'Acedia'
Seven deadly sins alive and well today, says Jesuit journal
The Virtue-Driven Life
The Virtues (counteracting the REAL Seven Deadly Sins)
What are Capital Sins? [Seven Deadly Sins]
Satan's Arsenal: "The Seven Deadly Sins"
The Anatomy of Envy

13 posted on 08/14/2013 7:37:41 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SpinnerWebb

I agree. However it is Christians this article addresses. Through out history they have fought and died for freedom because of the Lord God.


14 posted on 08/14/2013 7:38:00 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Salvation

Excellent point.


15 posted on 08/14/2013 7:38:17 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Sheapdog

History is the best way to look at the future.
Many Jews and early Christians thought Rome was going to be overthrown in 70 AD.

Christians and Jews alike were killed during WW2 when they were too late or couldn’t afford to get out of Germany.

Stalin...
Kamer Rouge...
East Germany...

Close the border to get out comes first, and then the arrests and executions start.

It can happen here.


16 posted on 08/14/2013 7:39:09 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: who knows what evil?

My own mother fits that description.

Sadly since I don’t buy that line of reasoning to her it means I’m not a ‘Believer’ and won’t be raptured.

We don’t discuss it anymore. There’s no point.


17 posted on 08/14/2013 7:39:20 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: yldstrk
yldstrk, it is always right to RESIST EVIL !

Look at Elijah ! Look at Moses ! David ! Samson ! Read about Boniface sometime.

Corrupt governments have always tried to twist the meaning of Romans 13:1 where we are told to "submit to higher powers"...We are not to submit to EVIL "powers", but EXPOSE AND RESIST THEM ! Read Baldwin's excellent book, "Romans 13: The true meaning of submission".

Marxism is nothing more than satanism in action....Resist !

We are never more like Christ than when we confront evil to protect others at our own peril!

18 posted on 08/14/2013 7:41:53 AM PDT by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: Sheapdog

THANK YOU!!!!

Yes, sometimes, it feels like we Christians put our heads down and march along with the rest, allowing tyranny, corruption and moral decay to grow.


19 posted on 08/14/2013 7:45:27 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (I wish I lived in Texas.)
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To: Black Agnes

Mine also; we also don’t discuss it. Many things are not discussed anymore due to fatigue and being depressing. Also, stuff outside the mainstream parameters has become to tiresome of an exercise to deal with so is a no go zone.
The I expect to be raptured out of here so don’t bother me with this stuff is a last resort.


20 posted on 08/14/2013 7:46:44 AM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: Sheapdog
So, the next time you hear some piety-draped Christian talking about how he won't engage the enemy and fight for liberty, because of prophecy, or some other spiritually-sounding platitude, just remember, it has nothing to do with prophecy, or anything of the sort: it has everything to do with old-fashioned laziness.

I agree much with Chuck. I'm not too sure that laziness is the best word to describe the current mindset of many Christians. Perhaps Apostasy is a better term brought on by a number of reasons. Read "The Mystery of Iniquity" by Michael Rood.

Real believers will continue the good fight even knowing "these things must come to pass."

The parable of the Bags of Gold comes to mind.

21 posted on 08/14/2013 7:49:16 AM PDT by Errant
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To: yldstrk
so what is right?

I was wondering about the verse where Paul says a good soldier doesn't become involved in civilian affairs. And the verse which says we don't fight against flesh and blood.

Our responsibilities as U.S. citizens require us to fights against tyranny. Our responsibilities as Christ's servants require us to serve a King and kingdom that is not of this world.

22 posted on 08/14/2013 7:49:47 AM PDT by aimhigh (Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: Sheapdog

In Israel they laughingly call this the “Inch’Allah” syndrome.

(When I was in Iraq the phenomenon was even more pronounced.)


23 posted on 08/14/2013 7:55:05 AM PDT by golux
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To: Sheapdog

it is the duty of every christian to fight evil for as long as they are here.

making it easier by awaiting the Lord’s return, will not help our people.

fight on.

t


24 posted on 08/14/2013 7:56:07 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: Sheapdog

My “radical” Presbyterian pastor looked with well-deserved scorn on these folks. He frequently remarked that by “strumming their guitars and waiting for Jesus to come” instead of being out there as the salt and light mentioned in Scriptures, they were almost certainly guaranteeing the corruption and darkness that salt and light were designed to combat.

Had it not been for the “Black Regiment” of Christian pastors here in the 1700s, America would never have been born. Those men didn’t even own guitars. They owned pistols — which many of them openly wore in their pulpits.

While I pray it may still be too early for the pistols, we need pastors of today to tell their congregations the hard truth of our current situation, followed by a stern rebuke that their apathy and acceptance of evil is how we got here.


25 posted on 08/14/2013 8:01:29 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”- Voltaire)
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To: Sheapdog
Chuck Baldwin is a very fine man. Here is what I posted a few minutes ago at your other Baldwin thread:

There is no question but that the efforts to control mankind, via some form of World Government, have been proceeding for generations. It is not true that all of the internationalists work as one movement, or march to the same drummer. On the other hand, their efforts, whether separate or in consort, have already done immense damage to a great many of the world's distinct peoples.

If you scratch beneath the ideological circle of most Leftist agitations, Academic movements, the "politically correct" suppression of analysis, study, as well as efforts at thought control, the "one world" idea will be found consistently, as part of the origins. (See for example, Myths & Myth Makers, for the academic influences involved.)

The immigration policy of the United States since 1965, has been deliberately slanted towards changing traditional American ethnicity, to make us more like a microcosm of the world's peoples. Why, would anyone seek that result, but to undermine the population's resistance to being incorporated in a new world order? Does any other explanation make any sense?

Why did our foreign policy work to suppress independence movements in Katanga & Biafra in the 1960s, after the Belgians & British freed their African Colonies? Can anyone offer a moral argument why tribal peoples should be lumped together against their will, in maps drawn by former Colonial powers, if they are supposed to be independent? Any moral reason? Or was the reason an ongoing effort to consolidate the earth under a damnable central authority?

We had a great debate in America in 1918 to 1920 on the League of Nations. The idea started out overwhelmingly popular, but the international control forces lost the debate, (See League Of Nations.) The UN was forced through the Senate in a panic, to prevent a serious discussion after World War II, because those who seek new world orders did not dare to trust what a deliberating people would resolve upon. Or does anyone have another explanation--because, check it out, the debate was very truncated, and only two Senators, as I recall, dared to buck the massive propaganda for the ratification of the Charter?

Chuck Baldwin is a true American patriot. I hope that others will join him, in exposing this terrible threat to any American future. May God Bless his efforts.

William Flax

26 posted on 08/14/2013 8:08:33 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Sheapdog

Maybe it isn’t lazines. Maybe it’s simply being unable to emotionally deal with these issues, so they are “sloughed” off.


27 posted on 08/14/2013 8:21:57 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Sheapdog
I use prophecy to banish my fear, not my work ethic nor my faith. Prophecy makes both stronger.

I believe Jesus wants his followers to not be of the world, but also not be of no use in the world. There is a lot of work to do.

Prophecy also makes me sad, concerned and fearful for those who choose to ignore what is promised.

28 posted on 08/14/2013 8:38:42 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: Black Agnes
My own mother fits that description.

People fitting that description fill the pews of the nation's churches by the millions in this country...apathy...apostasy.

29 posted on 08/14/2013 8:55:01 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Sheapdog

I get what he is saying, but what does he think we should be doing? I vote, I contact my representatives when I think I need to, I educate myself on the issues of the day so I can make points in political conversations. He might characterize me as one of the lazy ones because I have said some those phrases he takes exception to. But to me those phrases don’t mean I should do nothing politically because all hope is gone, they mean I should be more active in sharing Christ with people because we don’t know the day He will return. I want to find a balance. There’s only so many hours in a day.


30 posted on 08/14/2013 8:58:55 AM PDT by uptowngirl
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To: Sheapdog

And just how would Baldwin “fight...and resist tyranny”? Send a couple of nuke armed Cruise missiles through a palace window? A thousand yard sniper shot? Refuse to pay taxes to an oppressive national government?

Just what does Chuck recommend doing?...in the name of Christ of course....


31 posted on 08/14/2013 9:20:00 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Sheapdog
No offense to Mr. Baldwin but another article telling people “you aren't a good Christian unless you are doing something about politics” is useless. First, he offers no plan, direction or definitive goals for people to “do something” with. Second, the primary battlefield that every Christian should be engaged in is not Washington DC. I wonder how our country would be different if every Christian that spent their time raging about politics would actually go act like Christ instead?
32 posted on 08/14/2013 9:30:28 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Sheapdog
It's a "prophetic" doctrine that teaches it's God's will for His people to follow the path of least resistance..

There's a whole publishing, speaking, conference, and cruise industry, that's been built on the marketing of the claim that Jesus Christ is going to surrender to Satan and evacuate His troops leaving the world to Satan. Why wouldn't people who fall for that line be lazy?.

The, Bestselling Surrender and Evacuation Doctrine is still the same huge cash cow it's been ever since the 1970s exactly because it makes avoiding the battle against Satan the right thing to do. All the "faithful" have to do is wait to be evacuated from the embassy roof, so to speak.

33 posted on 08/14/2013 9:37:04 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Salvation

Plus did not Jesus say that only the Father KNOWS the day and the hour that He (Jesus) is returning?


34 posted on 08/14/2013 10:06:34 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Zathras

Big difference: Americans are armed to the teeth.


35 posted on 08/14/2013 10:09:13 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Rashputin
The, Bestselling Surrender and Evacuation Doctrine is still the same huge cash cow it's been ever since the 1970s

Could you please explain what that is and if possible post a link or two? The only reference to it on Google is your post.

36 posted on 08/14/2013 10:25:34 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan
LOL, look up “Eighty-Eight Reasons for Eighty-Eight” or just drop the pretense and look up the “Left Behind” scam.
37 posted on 08/14/2013 10:27:59 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

No pretense. I looked up “Eighty-Eight Reasons for Eighty-Eight” on three different search engines and got lots of music references. I read the first book of the Left Behind series and quickly figured out it was not only theologically unsound but poorly written.


38 posted on 08/14/2013 10:39:39 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Rashputin
Aha! I threw 'rapture" into the search terms and found

88 reasons Why The Rapture Will Be in 1988: The Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hash-Ana) September, 11-12-13

on Amazon.

39 posted on 08/14/2013 10:41:59 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan
88 reasons Why The Rapture Will Be in 1988

I remember when that book came out. A friend of mine stopped making any future commitments or plans due to that book.

The author talked about the prophecy which says the 'generation won't pass away' before Jesus comes. By defining a generation as 40 years, and adding it to 1948, the author came up with 1988. The author failed to see that a generation doesn't PASS AWAY in forty years - more like 70 to 80 years.

40 posted on 08/14/2013 10:53:42 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: cripplecreek
There is only one book.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

41 posted on 08/14/2013 10:56:42 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: count-your-change
What should Americans do--both clergy & laymen?

How about simply refusing to bear false witness by finding excuses to rationalize what is happening in Washington as acceptable?

We have a written Constitution, which simply does not authorize what is being done in its name--it just does not. Anyone who reads it in context understands that. Those who take an oath to uphold it, and then support what has been going on, have betrayed their oath; betrayed their duty, both to those presently alive, and to those who will follow. How can any man, claiming to shepherd people to Godly purpose, remain silent, if he understands this?

Pastor Baldwin's ministry is directed towards the honorable; those who really believe that there is a place for integrity in public life--not those who go through the motions, while ignoring uncomfortable reality.

William Flax

42 posted on 08/14/2013 10:58:24 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Zathras
History is the best way to look at the future. Many Jews and early Christians thought Rome was going to be overthrown in 70 AD. Christians and Jews alike were killed during WW2 when they were too late or couldn’t afford to get out of Germany. Stalin... Kamer Rouge... East Germany... Close the border to get out comes first, and then the arrests and executions start. It can happen here.

Difference between them and us was understood by our founding fathers and the reason for the second amendment.

The lefties in charge have no intention of closing our borders UNTIL they intend to round us up. In the mean time the are doing everything in their power to repopulate this country with people who do NOT believe like us.

There is NOTHING in the bible that says American Christians will escape persecution , NOT ONE THING , there is no such promise . It's very prideful to believe that we will not go through what much of the Body of Christ has had to go through since our begining.

Christians are to be watchmen , they are to watch and wait on the Lord and always ready to sound the alarm . Not snoozing . Faith of a mustard seed that can move mountains has nothing to do with moving a pile of rocks , it's about moving the mountain(kingdom) around you.

If you truly live like HE IS COMING TOMORROW then you are going to busy working making sure everyone around you aren't asleep. NOTHING will change in this country UNTIL the people repent and a whole lot of people in this country who have the audacity to call themselves Christians are not only just asleep - they are DEAD and just don't know it .

43 posted on 08/14/2013 2:11:09 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: cripplecreek
I see nothing in the book of Revelations that suggests I should just lie down and wait for the return of God. If that were true, why has anyone bothered to stand for righteousness over the last 2000 years? I think I’ll continue to fight for what I believe in until God indicates that I do otherwise. I got nothing better to do while waiting.

Amen

44 posted on 08/14/2013 2:13:45 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: aimhigh

“blessed are those who seek justice for justice sake.”

Are they waiting til they get to heaven to seak justice?

If things are too difficult to think about, become indifferent and wash one’s hands of it ... like Pilate. That is their way. “I wash my hands of it.” They really say that.


45 posted on 08/14/2013 3:51:05 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: Sheapdog; Yehuda
I realize these are older articles and that Chuck Baldwin might not be viewed very highly around here but thought these articles warrant some discussion given current circumstances.

Chuck Baldwin is a major leader of "palaeoconservatism." I don't understand how he can claim to be a "premillenial." He might as well be a full-blown "reconstructionist."

46 posted on 08/14/2013 5:37:28 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: aimhigh

Well, we’re quickly coming up on that 70 or 80yr number as it is right now.


47 posted on 08/14/2013 5:39:31 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Ohioan
On the other hand, their efforts, whether separate or in consort, have already done immense damage to a great many of the world's distinct peoples.

So, are you one of those "planet of peoples" guys?

Do you believe there's a different "true religion" for every "people?"

You sound like a "kinist."

48 posted on 08/14/2013 5:45:29 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Black Agnes

You can bet a whole crowd has their 2018 books and lectures all ready to go at the start of 2014, too.


49 posted on 08/14/2013 7:33:31 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

When I was 12yrs old my mother sat me down and told me it was wonderful! I’d never live to be old, I’d never grow up! The Lord was coming! Soon. Very very soon!

35 years later I’m still waiting...

And I’m 10+ years older now than she was when she told me. I’ve been grown up for a long long time now.

It’s this kind of stuff that makes unbelievers.

Ask me how I know that.


50 posted on 08/14/2013 7:49:37 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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