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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; HiTech RedNeck; .45 Long Colt; metmom; boatbums; caww; ...
It seems to me that the Pope’s strategy is to merely talk about how dead and boring Roman Catholicism seems to people. And then he offers, as if it were a solution, a new emphasis on the poor or vague notions of love, as if Catholicism is just one gigantic charity or teddy bear dedicated to social renewal, since the “old” message of an individual’s spiritual renewal isn’t meaningful any longer...The draw here isn’t on the need of salvation, but on the need to be a Catholic for social reasons. Contrast this with the Apostles who constantly preached Christ and Him crucified,

A discerning judgment. And indeed the description below by Francis fits the church, most supremely that of Rome, thus far more convert to being evangelicals than the reverse, with the main reason not being doctrine, but that Rome did not meet there spiritual needs (see here ), though that is a result of her church centered doctrine.

1. The Church no longer offers anything meaningful or important.

2. The Church appears too weak.

3. The Church appears too distant from their needs.

4. The Church appears too poor to respond to their concerns.

5. The Church appears too cold.

6. The Church appears too caught up with itself.

7. The Church appears to be a prisoner of its own rigid formulas.

8. The world seems to have made the Church a relic of the past.

9. The Church appears unfit to answer the world's new questions.

10. The Church speaks to people in their infancy but not when they come of age.

33 posted on 08/17/2013 8:09:00 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

LOL. He can start with this one:

The “Church” is not the clergy. It’s the people.


37 posted on 08/17/2013 8:19:28 AM PDT by Sontagged (Faith without works is dead. This also means incessant prayer without attendant works is dead.)
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To: daniel1212
Exactly because ONLY JESUS has the power to set someone 'free'. Rome is hell bent on keeping it's subjects in bondage. Only those who seek Truth are set free, the others who remain are unteachable.

Jesus is The Word and the final authority!

57 posted on 08/17/2013 9:40:37 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: daniel1212; Greetings_Puny_Humans; HiTech RedNeck; .45 Long Colt; metmom; boatbums; caww
And indeed the description below by Francis fits the church, most supremely that of Rome, thus far more convert to being evangelicals than the reverse, with the main reason not being doctrine, but that Rome did not meet there spiritual needs...

It may be a "nit picking point" but I think we are to quick to separate doctrine and spiritual need. It seems to me that The Gospel is doctrine and it is the failure of the RCC to preach The Gospel that leads so many RC's to Evangelical churches where The Gospel is preached everyday. Once a person believes The Gospel their most important spiritual need is filled for eternity. The RCC preaches a sacramentalism and works based salvation that bastardizes The Gospel and because of this it will never fill a person's greatest spiritual need. As a result, they will always have a disproportional percentage leave.

62 posted on 08/17/2013 10:13:04 AM PDT by wmfights
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