Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Huge Failure in Catechesis: Survey: only 13% of Catholics think IVF is morally wrong
Catholic Culture ^ | August 19, 2013 | Diogenes

Posted on 08/19/2013 2:21:00 PM PDT by NYer

Only 13% of Catholics--and 12% of Americans--believe that in vitro fertilization is morally wrong, according to a new Pew Research survey. 33% of Americans judge the procedure morally acceptable, while 46% say that it is not a moral issue.

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith discussed the immorality of in vitro fertilization in its instructions Donum Vitae (1987) and Dignitas Personae (2008).

The survey also found that 49% of Americans believe that abortion is morally wrong, while 15% say it is morally acceptable and 23% say it is not a moral issue. 64% of Hispanic Catholics and 53% of white Catholics surveyed said that abortion is morally wrong, though among “white Catholics who attend Mass at least once a week,” the figure rises to 74%.

22% of Americans--and 24% of Catholics--said they believe that embryonic stem cell research, which involves the destruction of human embryos, is morally wrong. In addition, 21% of Catholics said that they believe that adult stem-cell research is morally wrong, despite Church pronouncements that it is morally licit.

Additional sources for this story
Some links will take you to other sites, in a new window.



TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: ivf
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-54 next last

1 posted on 08/19/2013 2:21:01 PM PDT by NYer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Moral implications

Obviously, IVF eliminates the marriage act as the means of achieving pregnancy, instead of helping it achieve this natural end. The new life is not engendered through an act of love between husband and wife, but by a laboratory procedure performed by doctors or technicians. Husband and wife are merely sources for the "raw materials" of egg and sperm, which are later manipulated by a technician to cause the sperm to fertilize the egg.

Invariably several embryos are brought into existence; only those which show the greatest promise of growing to term are implanted in the womb. The others are simply discarded or used for experiments. This is a terrible offense against human life. While a little baby may ultimately be born because of this procedure, other lives are usually snuffed out in the process.

Reproductive Technology

2 posted on 08/19/2013 2:21:36 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

3 posted on 08/19/2013 2:23:39 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

bkmk


4 posted on 08/19/2013 2:25:47 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer
Huge Failure in Catechesis: Survey: only 13% of Catholics think IVF is morally wrong
Why the Church Opposes Surrogate Motherhood and attempts to legalize it in The District of Columbia
Pregnancy From Sperm Frozen 40 Years Ago Highlights Problems With IVF (with a twist)
Former IVF doc [Anthony Caruso]: my conversion began when confronted by a priest
Teacher says Catholic school fired her over IVF
Teacher Claims Catholic School Fired Her Over IVF
Pope says arrogance drives infertility field, tells couples to shun artificial procreation Man Made Limbo (the consequences of IVF)

IVF babies ‘risk major diseases’
Polish Cardinal, Former Secretary to Pope JPII: Politicians, Like Pilate, Kill the Truth of the Life of the Unborn
Bishop criticizes reproductive technology’s ‘procreation without sex’
Dignitas Personae
Excommunication for deliberate embryo destruction?
Catholic School Teacher Fired for Having In Vitro
Vatican Summit Looks at Selecting Embryos
62-year-old Redding woman gives birth to 12th child
Actress Brooke Shields kills 140 of her very own Children by undergoing 7 IVF Treatments
Clinic Mix-Up Sparks Fears over IVF H

5 posted on 08/19/2013 2:43:18 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Let’s all send this to the Young Adult coordinators in our parishes.


6 posted on 08/19/2013 2:46:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Let’s all send this to the Young Adult coordinators in our parishes.


7 posted on 08/19/2013 2:46:42 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

I think it is wrong yet had no significant catechesis in my entire life. But I guess those who don’t get it intuitively need to be taught.


8 posted on 08/19/2013 2:51:40 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

I’d say the biggest problem with IVF is the fact that the “extras” are either thrown out, frozen for years, or experimented on.


9 posted on 08/19/2013 2:58:50 PM PDT by Pinkbell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #10 Removed by Moderator

To: steve86
"" . . . yet had no significant catechesis in my entire life."

I've been running into a lot of that since I became Catholic. Seems like a large percentage of Catholics had parents who thought they'd just absorb everything or didn't have much catechesis themselves and saw no need for it.

Or is it like Michael Voris was saying and most Catholic schools dropped the ball and went stupid after V II?

11 posted on 08/19/2013 3:29:44 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: chandlerlansing

Lutherans for life agrees with this for ivf procedures entails the destruction or freezing of embryos, and even those lucky enough to be implanted have a high miscarriage and birth defect risk caused by the procedure.


12 posted on 08/19/2013 3:30:41 PM PDT by cotton
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: chandlerlansing; cotton; Salvation; lightman
I see nothing wrong with IVF because again, that is creating life.

From the link I posted above ...

To avoid the problems of carrying and rearing "too many" babies after several have been implanted, doctors sometimes engage in something euphemistically called "fetal reduction" or "selective reduction." Here they monitor the babies in utero to see if any have defects or are judged to be less healthy than the others. They eliminate those "less desirable" babies by filling a syringe with potassium chloride, maneuvering the needle toward the "selected" baby in the womb with the aid of ultrasound, and then thrusting the needle into the baby's heart. The potassium chloride kills the baby within minutes, and he or she is expelled as a "miscarriage." If it cannot be determined that one baby is less healthy than the others, some doctors simply eliminate the baby or babies who are easiest to reach. Again we see the unspeakable diminishing of the value of human life which can arise from this procedure.

Now, how do you feel about IVF?

13 posted on 08/19/2013 3:39:41 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: chandlerlansing
I understand your point of view. However when my husband and I struggled with having children and I had my second tubal pregnancy. I went to start IVF. Sitting in the office of the most recommended Fertility specialist in Santa Monica, I couldn't get out of there fast enough. All she did was describe the procedure and I physically became ill (often my body is very sensitive issues my mind and soul reject.)

The truncated version that made me ill. They fertilize several eggs and see which ones take and then place others in the uterus. They say they destroy the others. That to me is death of living beings. I could not bear it. Later of course we come to find out many of these are used in testing.

Either way I could not live with it morally. I can't judge others regarding this issue for me own personal reasons, but for me it did not sit right in my soul. I remain childless and did not chose adoption for my own reasons as well. God Bless!

14 posted on 08/19/2013 3:44:02 PM PDT by GOP Poet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Yes. And this is the other reason I did not go forward with it. I would rather live without than to kill a child. I must say though honestly, I did have an abortion when I was very young and my soul suffers to this day. I could not take another life. It would have been based on my own selfish want. I posted earlier I chose not to have IVF for spiritual/moral reasons because they also ‘get rid’ of already fertilized eggs that don’t go into the uterus.


15 posted on 08/19/2013 3:50:36 PM PDT by GOP Poet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: NYer

So you take an egg from the married woman and her husband donates his sperm because for some reason the woman couldn’t conceive the normal way. So this is somehow morally wrong to some people?


16 posted on 08/19/2013 4:11:50 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Rashputin

...most Catholic schools dropped the ball and went stupid after V II....

&&&
I’d say that’s your answer. I attended 12 years of Catholic school in the 1950s and ‘60s. Nearly all of my teachers were dedicated teaching sisters who gave me a solid academic foundation along with strong religious training.

Today, in the average American Catholic school, sisters are pretty much extinct, and the religion department is a tangled mass of confusion and feel-goodism.


17 posted on 08/19/2013 4:35:39 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: SkyDancer

See my post #13.


18 posted on 08/19/2013 4:55:18 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: chandlerlansing

IVF creates life where life would not normally exist. This amounts to nothing more than a human ‘playing God’. IVF almost always involves the creation of extra embryos. Often, one or more embryos is selectively destroyed so that the mother does not have triplet or quadruplet births.

A similar moral argument can be made against euthanasia. It is one thing to not prolong a terminally ill person’s life through extraordinary means, however, the intentional murder of a terminally ill person to expedite death is wrong. Think Terri Schiavo.


19 posted on 08/19/2013 5:09:21 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Then there is ultra-sound used to check on babies health in the womb plus checking the embryonic fluid. If the parents elect to abort, then what the difference in what you wrote? Just asking.


20 posted on 08/19/2013 5:13:46 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: chandlerlansing

You are looking at those eggs and sperm as man does, not as God does.

This is not natural, and many little babies are lost.


21 posted on 08/19/2013 5:21:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: chandlerlansing

You are looking at those eggs and sperm as man does, not as God does.

This is not natural, and many little babies are lost.


22 posted on 08/19/2013 5:21:27 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Salvation
Let’s all send this to the Young Adult coordinators in our parishes.

Not being negative or deprecating your article but parishes can have all the Young Adult coordinators in the world but if the parents aren't around to inculcate from DAY ONE and aren't around to validate and reinforce, then all the Young Adult Coordinators in the world are useless.

There are just too many working mommies. Those women seem to HAVE to have their "trophy baby" but then return to work, CONFIDENT that the caregivers (not grandma, auntie or any family member) are just swell. All the good, decent Latina caregivers simply CANNOT take the place of mommy.

It DOES seem to be an urban phenomenon. I see it ALL THE TIME in my city in California. I do speak fluent Spanish and those Hispanic caregivers DO teach their clients' children to speak Spanish...even if it isn't the best Spanish.

It's a no-win for American babies and children...my opinion.

23 posted on 08/19/2013 5:24:58 PM PDT by cloudmountain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Pinkbell
I’d say the biggest problem with IVF is the fact that the “extras” are either thrown out, frozen for years, or experimented on.

Those "extras" are our citizens, TRULY the most innocent and vulnerable. There WILL be hell to pay for those women who do this...and their spouses for putting up with it.

24 posted on 08/19/2013 5:26:57 PM PDT by cloudmountain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: SkyDancer
If the parents elect to abort, then what the difference in what you wrote? Just asking.

Both are morally wrong.

25 posted on 08/19/2013 5:31:32 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

Comment #26 Removed by Moderator

To: NYer

So if a married woman who can’t conceive in the womb goes forward with IVF she and her husband are wrong. Okay. Got it.


27 posted on 08/19/2013 6:39:55 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: cloudmountain

Good points — I was coming from the point of the young adult making a decision for herself/himself. But you are right, they need that foundation!


28 posted on 08/19/2013 7:23:18 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: cloudmountain
Have you seen this site?

Stand Up Girl

29 posted on 08/19/2013 7:26:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: GOP Poet
I did have an abortion when I was very young and my soul suffers to this day.

If you have Christ as your Savior you don't need to suffer, you can rejoice that your sins have been forgiven. Satan wants you to suffer, to believe it was too big a sin, it isn't.

30 posted on 08/19/2013 7:34:45 PM PDT by xone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: SkyDancer
I have a grandson conceived this way after 10 years of no preg. He is the greatest guy you would ever want to know...recently married and in the military...Love him so much, if that offends any one tough cookies...moms egg hubbys sperm.....
31 posted on 08/19/2013 7:59:03 PM PDT by goat granny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: NYer
Doctors are in effect practicing veterinary medicine./sarc.The difference is in the physical quality of the fetus. A bull and cow whose sperm and egg have been carefully selected. The man and/or woman who resort to this desperate measure probably have genetic defects that they pass on to their child. Sad.
32 posted on 08/19/2013 8:46:54 PM PDT by RobbyS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: goat granny

And how many others died or were left in the can, frozen in time?


33 posted on 08/19/2013 8:48:20 PM PDT by RobbyS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: chandlerlansing

The method involved the creation of several lives which often never mature. That’s because the mother’s womb will take accept the, or you get multiple births, usually more than the womb can easily support.To do this, you must as in the case of abortions, disregard the nature of the unborn child. It becomes the means to an end. That end may be a good one, but what about the means?


34 posted on 08/19/2013 8:58:39 PM PDT by RobbyS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: RobbyS
Did you miss the, "tough cookies"?

Doesn't know and doesn't care. Folks like that figure Jesus Christ approves of killing a few infants now and then as long as you keep one you like.

After all, how much different is it than the millions of "contraceptive" induced dead infants women are responsible for by taking the pill and other abortafacients rather than an alternative?

People who gave Satan an inch now have him as their ruler, it's that simple.

35 posted on 08/19/2013 10:21:07 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: RobbyS
none, didn't you understand it was done with both parents and no extra's were fertilized....there are many types of procedures done.....you get the prize for being the snark of the day, and ignorant to boot. As I said in my first post sweet cheeks, tough cookies for your opinion..

For me, once implantation takes place, I do not believe in aborting any of the fetus. Planting too many in the hopes of being able to abort some is the deliberate killing of an unborn child...many disagree with me and many think the same way I do....the only position for a legit abortion is a tubal pregnancy which can kill the mother and the zygote has no change to implant and form a pregnancy..The tube will rupture when the zygote gets large enough to blow out...both die...

36 posted on 08/19/2013 11:41:23 PM PDT by goat granny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: NYer

I just skimmed the replies, so I apologize if someone mentioned this already.

In addition to the issues regarding the embryos, etc, there is also the issue of how the husband and wife create the child. It is not unitive. The child is made in a petri dish.


37 posted on 08/20/2013 5:17:42 AM PDT by piusv
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #38 Removed by Moderator

To: Salvation
Yes, I have. Horrible.

We live in a world of stupid women/wives and uninterested men/husband, it seems.

I wonder if those pregnancy stats correlate with divorce rates or fatherless children.

39 posted on 08/20/2013 7:02:52 AM PDT by cloudmountain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: RobbyS; goat granny; piusv; chandlerlansing

Follow up to yesterday’s discussion, ping!


40 posted on 08/20/2013 10:33:23 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: JoeProBono

Baby Gaga


41 posted on 08/20/2013 11:00:05 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: goat granny

You wish to think that no extras were produced. I guess this salves your conscience but it is not fact. Natural pregnancy is very hit or miss; artificial methods also. What pro-abortionists accuse God of, science is certainly guilty , which is to waste many lives in the interest of saving one.


42 posted on 08/20/2013 9:53:53 PM PDT by RobbyS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: RobbyS
My my, I am glad you know so much about my families medical history...You appear to be very psychic I do love your little homily. I am grateful for your concern about and knowledge of my conscience. You write fine but obliviously didn't read my last post to you. I'll tell you some more about my life if your really nosy enough so you can judge me, my conscience and know so much about what you actually know nothing of....You know nothing about my faith or what I think of "person hood" Pregnancy starts at implantation within in uterus. fact not faith.

I would guess that you are catholic because you seem to be voicing strict catholic religion dogma. That's fine with me, we do have freedom of religion still in this country...although with Obama I don't know for how much longer that will be the case...

I think we have just about beaten this dead horse so answer me again if you want to, but don't expect a reply. I do pray God bless's you and your family as He has instructed us to.

43 posted on 08/21/2013 9:14:12 AM PDT by goat granny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Rashputin
Tough cookies here..And you are right, I do not care what your opinion is. I don't adhere to strict catholic dogma. I don't judge those that use IVF and it does NOT always mean many eggs are fertilized and implanted. After implantation you have a pregnancy and to abort any is wrong in my opinion. I don't think its my place to tell others what to do unless they ask.

I was told by an old freeper that when we write about another freepers answer, its polite to also include that persons name in your reply so they have a chance if they so desire, they can answer your post. But with you, I don't need your opinion. tough cookies signing off. And have a blessed day...GG

44 posted on 08/21/2013 9:35:38 AM PDT by goat granny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: piusv
.....The child is made in a petri dish....

Does the petri dish carry the "child" to term. The medical term is a zygote at that stage of growth, then fetus, most women call it a baby at its implantation. I don't call a pregnancy a fetus, it is a baby. but that is just my opinion.

45 posted on 08/21/2013 9:57:37 AM PDT by goat granny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: goat granny

So are you just nit-picking that I used the word “child”? If so, c’mon. That was so not my point.


46 posted on 08/21/2013 10:49:47 AM PDT by piusv
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: goat granny

Dogma has little to do with it. IVF is basically animal husbandry practiced on human beings. You need to research how the process actually works. The following is reasonably accurate.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/3.8-million-human-embryos-created-to-produce-122000-live-births-success-rat


47 posted on 08/21/2013 7:58:53 PM PDT by RobbyS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: goat granny

“Fetus” is just latin for child.


48 posted on 08/21/2013 8:01:05 PM PDT by RobbyS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: goat granny
I have a friend who does that sort of thing and stopped then changed to another medical group exactly because there were always extra embroys. If not, you're calling artificial insemination IFV when they're not the same thing.

If it was IFV and you think it's justifiable homicide, fine.

I'm sure you'll get a chance to tell it to the Judge.

49 posted on 08/21/2013 8:01:32 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Rashputin; goat granny

IVF - sorry, hands are sh ot this week.


50 posted on 08/21/2013 8:02:54 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-54 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson