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Ex-Mormon Shares Secrets From the Church of Latter-day Saints
Christian Post ^ | 8/19/2013 | Tyler O'Neil

Posted on 08/24/2013 11:24:16 PM PDT by reaganaut

A Christian professor and evangelist said that after 30 years in the Mormon Church, she came to a unique realization – the Bible is more accurate than the Book of Mormon, and God is bigger than the transcendent man worshipped by the "Latter day Saints" (LDS).

"I began to feel like somebody was pulling back the curtain in Oz," Lynn K. Wilder, associate professor of special education at Florida Gulf Coast University, former tenured professor at Brigham Young University, and author of Unveiling Grace: The Story of How We Found Our Way Out of The Mormon Church, told The Christian Post in a Monday interview. She contrasted the Mormon and Christian churches, unmasking LDS secrets – polygamy, racism, and a fundamental distrust in the Word and Power of God.

When Wilder and her husband, Mike, searched for a church home following their marriage, they found most churches "boring and out of touch," she said. She had also been reading the Old Testament thoroughly and became convinced that "these must be latter days," since Israel had returned to its homeland.

Mormon missionaries knocked on her door, spoke about the "latter days," and welcomed the Wilders into a close-knit community. "They take you in, they love on you, they began to supplant my biological family," Wilder explained. Joining the church gave her and her husband a higher status in the college and church communities. In 1999, Brigham Young University offered her a job.

Upon moving to Utah, however, the professor recounted new discoveries – the Mormon scriptures still preach racism and polygamy, despite LDS public denials. "The Bible doesn't teach that the mark of Cain was dark skin," she explained, "but the Book of Mormon does." She noted that the mark of Cain is in other Mormon scriptures, too, besides the Book of Mormon.

It wasn't until her son Micah left the Mormon Church, however, that Wilder considered questioning their doctrines, she said. Refusing to present him to the high council for excommunication, she and her husband sent him away, and he encouraged them to read the New Testament.

"Mormons believe that the Bible is often mistranslated and corrupt," the former BYU professor testified. Their scripture tells of a "great apostasy" following the death of the apostles, such that there was no true church until Joseph Smith founded Mormonism in 1830.

But when Wilder read the New Testament, she was mesmerized. "I became consumed with this God of love, the God of grace," she said, noting that Mormons believe in works-based salvation. According to the LDS church, your deeds get you into heaven, she explained, while "in Christianity, Christ did all the work on the cross."

The LDS church also teaches that Jesus failed to hold His church together, the professor noted. She quoted Joseph Smith's History of the Church, where the Mormon founder wrote, "I have more to boast of than any man had. I am the only man who has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam….Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it."

Wilder said she believed that God is strong enough to keep His church together and to preserve the message in the Bible. In Mormonism, however, God is not omniscient or omnipotent, "he is a man, basically, who is continuing to progress and I can be on that same journey," she said.

The former BYU professor explained that, according to LDS doctrine, the best Mormons will proceed to become gods like the creator. Women can only achieve this if they are married, and only apostates – those who reject the LDS church – will go to hell with Satan and his minions. Even Hitler and murderers, by contrast, will reach the bottom level of heaven, she said.

The ex-Mormon recalled that, when she turned to Jesus, she began to see signs of the personal Biblical God (the Mormon God is not personal, she alleged) touching many aspects of her life. Her book tells the story of a picture of Christ that survived a burning building, and of a Billy Graham sermon lodged deep in her memory.

Wilder testified that a buyer showed up at her house the day after she and her husband had decided to withdraw from the Mormon Church, and a college dean offered her a job for which she had never applied. "Christianity is wonderful because of God," she said. "He's created for all of us a new family, a new life, and the most amazing trust in Him because of what we watched Him do."

In addition to teaching, she and her husband run a ministry dedicated to "helping Mormons understand a bigger God, trust the Bible, and give a different Jesus a chance." She said they aim to reach the thousands of Mormons who left the LDS church – often to revert into Atheism or Agnosticism.


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Book written by the mother of the all exmormon band Adam's Road that tells the story of how her family was freed from Mormonism.
1 posted on 08/24/2013 11:24:16 PM PDT by reaganaut
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To: reaganaut

Thanks, Reaganaut


2 posted on 08/24/2013 11:41:48 PM PDT by 4mer Liberal
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To: reaganaut

They don’t read the New Testament but claim to be Christians.

If you believe the Bible then you know Mormonism is based on a lie. The Bible says when Jesus returns it will be from the east to the west and every knee shall bow. Joseph Smith said he ran across Jesus in the woods in New York. I understand they don’t claim that anymore.


3 posted on 08/24/2013 11:56:20 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Oh no, they still claim that, it is the basis of their whole faith that God and Jesus appeared in the flesh to Joseph Smith.

And they don’t really believe the bible. They claim they do but they also state that it is corrupt, full of errors and not translated correctly.


4 posted on 08/25/2013 12:07:34 AM PDT by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: reaganaut

Can someone please email this to Glenn Beck?


5 posted on 08/25/2013 12:23:46 AM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: reaganaut

“I have more to boast of than any man had. I am the only man who has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam….Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it.”

Wow. I did not know he said that. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!


6 posted on 08/25/2013 12:40:34 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: reaganaut

I was okay with the Mormon position that no man. May enter heaven without first passing Joseph Smith.

/s


7 posted on 08/25/2013 12:55:13 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: reaganaut

A Christian professor and evangelist said that after 30 years in the Mormon Church,


30 years? a professor? gee, it just took me about three Sundays, but then i am not a professor.


8 posted on 08/25/2013 1:13:28 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: reaganaut

Then my words to my wife are still good. When we met she was a part time Mormon who read the Bible. I pointed out to her that Christ said when He comes back everyone will know and everyone will kneel and bow. But according to Joseph Smith Jesus talked to him out in the woods and apparently asked Joseph not to tell anyone that he’d slipped in a little early but he was going to let Joseph handle it for him. Bottom line: The LDS church was started based on a lie.


9 posted on 08/25/2013 1:20:08 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: reaganaut

Thanks for posting this.


10 posted on 08/25/2013 2:05:20 AM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: ravenwolf

It also surprised me that an intelligent woman with so many apparent apprehensions, questions and nagging doubts along the way wouldn’t even have been aware for 30 years there were other Bible versions in addition to the standard LDS-authorized King James Version but I suppose it comes down to the need to justify a conversion experience combined with the lack of a foundational knowledge of truth in Christianity with which to recognize falsehood....


11 posted on 08/25/2013 2:12:46 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: reaganaut; All

“”The Bible doesn’t teach that the mark of Cain was dark skin,” she explained, “but the Book of Mormon does.” She noted that the mark of Cain is in other Mormon scriptures, too, besides the Book of Mormon. “

I’ve always heard some Christians say it was Noah’s son cursed with dark skin. I’ve never heard it was Cain. Anyone else know about this?


12 posted on 08/25/2013 3:01:36 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: montag813

Beck knows. The folks over at Living Waters ministry have given him CDs on the matter. It seems he didn’t care.


13 posted on 08/25/2013 3:23:51 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: 4mer Liberal

meh...still I rather live among Mormon cultists than the perfect voter group.


14 posted on 08/25/2013 3:49:22 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: Morgana

I’m with you. If LDS teaches it’s the “mark of Cain” to have dark skin, that’s news to me. I know a little of Mormonism but not that.

What I heard growing up was that it’s the “curse of Ham’s son, Canaan”, who was cursed because of Ham’s sin in regard to his father Noah, to have dark skin. Not that it was true, but that quite a few people actually believed it.

Both - the Cain mark and the Ham curse causing dark skin - are ridiculous.


15 posted on 08/25/2013 4:05:23 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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This website has videos of former Mormons.

http://sacredgrovesonline.org/video.htm

I especially enjoyed this couple:

>>Rocky & Helen Hulse, Part 1 | Part 2
Runtimes: 57 & 58 minutes || Published: 19 Apr 2010 || Mormon Journeys
Rocky grew up a faithful, believing Mormon; even so, he married Helen, a young woman who was not LDS. In the course of his struggle to bring her to faith in Mormonism, they both came to find true faith in Jesus Christ, and now dedicate their lives to helping others on their journey to freedom in Jesus.


16 posted on 08/25/2013 4:10:58 AM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: reaganaut

“God is bigger than the transcendent man worshipped by the “Latter day Saints” (LDS).”

Who lives on a planet near star Kolob, and the Mormon Jesus is the brother of Lucifer. And the Book of Mormon has prophets named Lehi, Alma, Ether, and (my fave) “Mosiah”. And`Nephites’ were wiped out by Jewish Indians called `Lamanites’, without a single trace left behind.

Praise the Lord that this woman has discovered His grace and love and Christ’s salvation in the words of the New Testament.


17 posted on 08/25/2013 4:15:17 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: exPBRrat

Bump that


18 posted on 08/25/2013 4:47:31 AM PDT by BuddaBudd (F U B O)
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To: elcid1970

How can SO many Smart, Nice people believe that kind of teaching??


19 posted on 08/25/2013 4:53:39 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

The mishies hit me up when I was on my way to Vietnam so I’ve been asking the same question for over forty years.

How does Glenn Beck go from lapsed Catholic to enthusiastic Mormon (LDS doctrine is fiercely anti-Catholic)?

One key is to look at the ex-Mormons, the dropouts. The majority of them turn atheistic. Sad, very sad. They were trapped in an enveloping & stifling culture for so long that upon their escape, these ex-mo’s see ALL forms of Divine worship as worthless superstition.

We should pray that God’s grace may enter their hearts.


20 posted on 08/25/2013 5:19:12 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: elcid1970
I had a former Mormon member of the "high priesthood" tell me that one "can argue a Mormon out of Mormonism but never into Christianity."

As that began to make a lot of sense to me, having a number of Mormon family, I have begun to use the scriptures whenever the opportunity presents itself to lovingly point the way to the true Christ of the Bible, rather than the false Christ of the Mormon church and rely on the Holy Spirit to do the rest.

As I am commanded to share my faith in the true Christ of the Bible, I am never responsible for the salvation of another.

I can point to the way and pray for the person's heart to soften and be open to the truth, then let the Holy Spirit do the convicting.

21 posted on 08/25/2013 5:58:11 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: elcid1970
I had a former Mormon member of the "high priesthood" tell me that one "can argue a Mormon out of Mormonism but never into Christianity."

As that began to make a lot of sense to me, having a number of Mormon family, I have begun to use the scriptures whenever the opportunity presents itself to lovingly point the way to the true Christ of the Bible, rather than the false Christ of the Mormon church and rely on the Holy Spirit to do the rest.

As I am commanded to share my faith in the true Christ of the Bible, I am never responsible for the salvation of another.

I can point to the way and pray for the person's heart to soften and be open to the truth, then let the Holy Spirit do the convicting.

22 posted on 08/25/2013 5:58:12 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: exPBRrat

I’m with you. Generally conservative patriots.
Their religion doesn’t bother me in the least.


23 posted on 08/25/2013 6:05:32 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Ann Archy

“How can SO many Smart, Nice people believe that kind of teaching??”

Teaching religion to a child is a lot like how elephants are trained in the circus. As babies the elephants leg are tied to a stake in the ground. No matter how hard the baby pulls he can’t pull the stake out. When the baby becomes an adult they can still tie him to the stake because the elephant does not think he can pull it out. Never mind that if the elephant wanted to he could pull down the large circus tent.


24 posted on 08/25/2013 6:20:55 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: reaganaut

**In addition to teaching, she and her husband run a ministry dedicated to “helping Mormons understand a bigger God, trust the Bible, and give a different Jesus a chance.”**

They should have a lot of success if the people will come.


25 posted on 08/25/2013 7:36:47 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Beck needs to come back to the Catholic Church where he started.

Read “The Christmas Sweater” for proof of how he went to Mass with his grandfather.


26 posted on 08/25/2013 7:39:46 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: montag813; reaganaut
Can someone please email this to Glenn Beck?

Beck has the tinfoil wrapped so tightly around his head he wouldn't begin to understand it.

27 posted on 08/25/2013 8:05:33 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: elcid1970

Beck is an alcoholic and since Mormons don’t drink and Catholics DO....and I think his wife must be a Mormon.


28 posted on 08/25/2013 8:10:55 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Vinnie

Are you sure?
Harry Reid, Mitt Romney - please name one conservative mormon national politician.
Abortion, homosexuality.....not conservative.
What mormonISM appears to be is not what it actually is.


29 posted on 08/25/2013 8:12:52 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: Salvation

The draw of being a god of your own planet is pretty strong.


30 posted on 08/25/2013 8:14:07 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: reaganaut

“God is bigger than the transcendent man worshipped by the “Latter day Saints” (LDS).”

AMEN!


31 posted on 08/25/2013 8:16:42 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: Morgana

Also, the fact that it is such a close-knit group plays to its advantage later in life. If you leave the group, you lose all your friends.

Shun the unbeliever!


32 posted on 08/25/2013 8:22:18 AM PDT by freedomlover
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To: reaganaut

“Wilder testified that a buyer showed up at her house the day after she and her husband had decided to withdraw from the Mormon Church, and a college dean offered her a job for which she had never applied. “Christianity is wonderful because of God,” she said. “He’s created for all of us a new family, a new life, and the most amazing trust in Him because of what we watched Him do.” “

I know some folks will disagree, but she’s still crazy-like-a-Mormon - God helped her sell her house (but who got the 6% commission?) and getting offered a job out-of-the-blue are not the type of things one would attribute to God.

It sounds more like “prosperity Christianity” which is just as far from Christianity as Mormonism is.


33 posted on 08/25/2013 8:25:44 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: erlayman

I suppose it comes down to the need to justify a conversion experience combined with the lack of a foundational knowledge of truth in Christianity with which to recognize falsehood....


Yeah, i think many people who started to Church years ago before the direct onslaught against God, just started going because it was popular, and it was beneficial in getting a good job especially if you joined the biggest Church in town.

So i guess they had no reason to question the teaching until some how they became believers.


34 posted on 08/25/2013 8:31:34 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: zerosix

I had a former Mormon member of the “high priesthood” tell me that one “can argue a Mormon out of Mormonism but never into Christianity.”


I believe that is true of any religion, because any one who belongs to religion can not see Jesus Christ for who he really is.


35 posted on 08/25/2013 8:47:38 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: RFEngineer

It sounds more like “prosperity Christianity” which is just as far from Christianity as Mormonism is.


That could very well be, it is very doubtful to me that the make believers are all in one or two Churches.


36 posted on 08/25/2013 8:57:19 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: JCBreckenridge

Interesting note about that comment. Smith stated that about a month before he died and was actually lying - there were many of the upper leaders, including William Law, who were leaving the church at the time because of polygamy - which he also lied about to the members.

The destruction of William Law’s printing press is what led to Smith’s arrest and lynching.


37 posted on 08/25/2013 10:08:22 AM PDT by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: ravenwolf

You have to understand that Mormons base their view of truth on feelings, not facts. Facts can stare them straight in the face but if it makes them feel bad or uncomfortable they consider it untrue. They do not look at spiritual things with an objective mind but rather base their spiritual knowledge, or epistemology, on how it makes them feel.

The biggest hurdle in getting people out of Mormonism, is making them look at facts and think for themselves rather than just feel.


38 posted on 08/25/2013 10:12:26 AM PDT by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: erlayman

see my post right above this


39 posted on 08/25/2013 10:13:09 AM PDT by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: Morgana

They believe both Ham and Cain. One of their books of scripture says this...

“And . . . they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them (Moses 7:22).”

For more info see

http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/curseofcain_part1.htm


40 posted on 08/25/2013 10:15:37 AM PDT by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; montag813

Part of Beck’s problem is he joined for his now wife. The other part gets back to they don’t check facts or care about facts.

A couple of years ago, Beck went on this whole thing about the Dead Sea Scrolls and Constantine and it was pure Mormon church teaching and lies, he didn’t check his facts, just repeated what he was told.

http://schleitheim.com/blog/2010/05/29/in-defense-of-glenn-becks-beliefs-about-the-dead-sea-scrolls/


41 posted on 08/25/2013 10:17:41 AM PDT by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: exPBRrat

Well, some of us still care if they go to Hell or not.

BTW, those ‘nice’ Mormon neighbors are laughing at you behind your back and consider you to be a lesser being. That is their theology.


42 posted on 08/25/2013 10:18:44 AM PDT by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: txrangerette

See my post and link above.


43 posted on 08/25/2013 10:19:07 AM PDT by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: reaganaut

You have to understand that Mormons base their view of truth on feelings, not facts.


I agree, i believe that is true with any religion.


44 posted on 08/25/2013 10:19:25 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Ann Archy

See post #38


45 posted on 08/25/2013 10:20:42 AM PDT by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: elcid1970

//We should pray that God’s grace may enter their hearts.//

Amen. Mormonism has a scorched earth view.


46 posted on 08/25/2013 10:22:22 AM PDT by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: Vinnie

So you are not a Christian?


47 posted on 08/25/2013 10:23:04 AM PDT by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: svcw

Oh don’t confuse him with the facts, SV


48 posted on 08/25/2013 10:23:55 AM PDT by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: RFEngineer

She admits she is newly out and when this happened she was JUST coming out of Mormonism. It takes some time to get out of the Mormon mindset. I know Lynn, not well, but we cross paths often in ministry and she is definitely not the prosperity gospel type. In context, this part of her testimony is that when she was fired (for leaving the Mormon church) God provided. What isn’t in the quote is that the college is a few miles away from where her 3 children and their spouses live in Florida and the dean does not know the children either.

Because of the local uproar over them leaving, they were completely shunned and had been looking at a way to leave the area.

Also, selling houses in the exclusive town of Alpine, Utah in this market isn’t easy. I have a friend in Alpine who has had their house on the market for well over a year now.

All of that taken with the timing, it is reasonable for someone with her background, and even those who are not, to see the hand of God in these things.


49 posted on 08/25/2013 10:33:00 AM PDT by reaganaut (I don't do hopey-changey. I do ouchy-bleedy.)
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To: reaganaut
In Mormonism, however, God is not omniscient or omnipotent, "he is a man, basically, who is continuing to progress and I can be on that same journey," she said.

To me, this is the strangest of all Mormon beliefs (OK, becoming the ruler of your own planet is up there as well), because the pagans, beginning with Aristotle, had a much better understanding of God ("the unknown God"). They even developed proofs for God's existence through unaided Reason.

50 posted on 08/25/2013 10:33:43 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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