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Syria in Bible Prophecy
http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2013/08/25/syria-in-prophecy-2/ ^ | 12/04/2011 | Bill Randles

Posted on 08/25/2013 7:14:14 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles

In view of recent developments in Syria, (The use of Chemical weapons), I am reprinting a Dec 2011 column on Syria in Prophecy

The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. The cities of Aroer are forsaken: they shall be for flocks, which shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid.(Isaiah 17:1-2)

At a breath-taking rate, world events are increasingly lining up with predictions of the prophets of the Bible, signifying that the Day of the Lord draws near. The biblical prophets are specific as to geo-political alignments and events which are to occur in the last days. The rapidly festering situation in Syria is an example of this phenomenom.

The Assad government of Syria is currently reacting to its own version of the so-called ‘Arab spring’. The wave of populist reform demonstrations in the Arab world has already swept aside the governments of Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Libya and has stirred discontent in several other Arab nations.

Bashir Assad has shown a willingness to brutally suppress all internal dissent, having slaughtered four thousand of his own people, and sent tens of thousands into hiding, to maintain his power. But he is feeling besieged, and is looking for insurance in the form of beefed up weapons and military.

Having recently been censured by the Arab league, and threatened by Turkey, and seeing what NATO did to fellow Arab despot Gaddafi, Assad is looking for help from Iran,Russia, and even North Korea in his quest to fend off his enemies.

Here is an article from the English edition of ADNKRONOS International, titled,“Syria:Iranian and N.Korean Rocket Experts hold Damascus Meetings”

Damascus, 1 Dec. (AKI) – Dozens of officials from North Korea and Iran have conducted meetings with representatives of the Syrian government in Damascus to help president Bashar al-Assad obtain weapons following the implementation of sanctions by members of the Arab League and other countries.

The meetings have been taking place in recent days, and were attended by experts in the production of rockets, according to Kuwaiti daily al-Seyassah, citing unnamed intelligence sources.

”The Syrian regime is afraid of losing power so is asking help from these two allies to put in place whatever means are necessary, even if it causes many deaths,” an intelligence source told the newspaper. “The only way to stop further bloodshed is for foreign intervention”.

Furthermore this article from Israel’s Arutz Sheva called,“Russia sent Syria Super Advanced s-300 Missiles” indicates that Assad is determined not to become the next Gaddafi, even if maintaining power involves World War.

Certainly Syria, Russia, North Korea, Europe, America, and of course Israel, are all preparing for something terrible.

The prophet Isaiah predicted that at the time of the end, a dreadful thing which has not ever happened in history is to occur. Damascus will cease from being a city, no longer will it be a seat of Government, a heap of rubble is it’s future.

Jeremiah implies that shortly before her destruction, Damascus will be surprised that Jerusalem is not “deserted” as she expected, this causes Damascus to lose heart herself.

Damascus has grown feeble; 
She turns to flee, 
And fear has seized her.
Anguish and sorrows have taken her like a woman in labor. 
Why is the city of praise not deserted, the city of My joy? 
Therefore her young men shall fall in her streets, 
And all the men of war shall be cut off in that day,” says the LORD of hosts. 
“ I will kindle a fire in the wall of Damascus, 
And it shall consume the palaces of Ben-Hadad.”( Jeremiah 49:24-27)

Whatever the provocation, the destruction of Damascus will reflect badly upon Israel in the court of world opinion. The world will turn on Israel, blaming her for what happens to Damascus. What little favor Israel had enjoyed up till then will shrivel up, it will resemble the last few olives left after the shaking of the olive tree by the reapers.

“ In that day it shall come to pass 
That the glory of Jacob will wane, 
And the fatness of his flesh grow lean. 
It shall be as when the harvester gathers the grain, 
And reaps the heads with his arm; 
It shall be as he who gathers heads of grain 
In the Valley of Rephaim. 
Yet gleaning grapes will be left in it, 
Like the shaking of an olive tree, 
Two or three olives at the top of the uppermost bough, 
Four or five in its most fruitful branches,” 
Says the LORD God of Israel.(Isaiah 17:4-6)

Damascus shall be obliterated in the context of a wider war, which will be destructive of other Arab cities as well, such as the area we call Gaza, which is a terrorist state designated as part of the U.N.imposed “two state solution”, but which God calls, “the nation not desired”…

Gather yourselves together, yes, gather together,
O undesirable nation, 
Before the decree is issued, 
Or the day passes like chaff, 
Before the LORD’s fierce anger comes upon you, 
Before the day of the LORD’s anger comes upon you! (Zechariah 2:1-2)

For Gaza shall be forsaken, 
And Ashkelon desolate; 
They shall drive out Ashdod at noonday, 
And Ekron shall be uprooted. 
Woe to the inhabitants of the seacoast, 
The nation of the Cherethites! 
The word of the LORD is against you, 
O Canaan, land of the Philistines: (Zephaniah 2:4-5)

The one positive aspect of these terrible times, is that even the hardest of men will begin to seek the living God,

In that day a man will look to his Maker,
And his eyes will have respect for the Holy One of Israel. (Isaiah 17:7)

Zechariah echoes Isaiah,

The burden of the word of the LORD in the land of Hadrach, and Damascus shall be the rest thereof: when the eyes of man, as of all the tribes of Israel, shall be toward the LORD.(Zechariah 9:1)

The international outcry that will be raised against Israel will be unprecedented. The nations line up to register complaint in the U.N., newspaper headlines will scream, pundits will wax eloquent with moral indignation, religious leaders will pontificate against Israel, her former lovers will leave her, and it will be extremely unfashionable to stand with God’s chosen people in that day.

Woe to the multitude of many people 
Who make a noise like the roar of the seas, 
And to the rushing of nations 
That make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters! 
13 The nations will rush like the rushing of many waters; …(Isaiah 17:11-12)

But the outcry will merely be the prelude to the outpouring of Divine wrath upon all nations . Tribulation such as never occurred upon the earth, the wind and the sea raging, and men’s hearts failing them for fear…

But God will rebuke them and they will flee far away, 
And be chased like the chaff of the mountains before the wind, 
Like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.(Isaiah 17: 13-14)

But it is as in the evening, which seems always darkest before dawn, such is the tribulation and time of Jacob’s trouble, as Isaiah says,

Then behold, at eventide, trouble! 
And before the morning, he is no more. 
This is the portion of those who plunder us, 
And the lot of those who rob us.(Isaiah 17:14)


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1 posted on 08/25/2013 7:14:14 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

It’s coming. His Word is sure.


2 posted on 08/25/2013 7:23:39 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: pastorbillrandles

Thanks you again Pastor Bill
It’s coming and the despot we put in office is march fast forward towards it


3 posted on 08/25/2013 7:33:51 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: pastorbillrandles

I’ve long understood that Isaiah 29 pertains to this. The destruction of Damascus will not be unprovoked, no matter what world opinion may indicate.


4 posted on 08/25/2013 7:35:20 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: pastorbillrandles

meh...I dunno.

The Assad family has a proven record of maintaining a peaceful status quo for many decades. With the demonic inspired opposition of radical Islam so willing to engage in suicide attacks you must deal harshly with you enemies who have no respect for life.

But more importantly we have no compelling national interest over there. It’s a civil war so let them sort it out.


5 posted on 08/25/2013 7:37:06 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: exPBRrat

I agree, I take no sides in this one, certainly not with the Sunni Terrorist invasion force. I only submit the prophecy for everyone’s evaluation.


6 posted on 08/25/2013 7:54:03 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles (, but you are right about the mood, tense)
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To: BipolarBob

Let not forget:Isa 10:5 Ah, Assyria, the rod of my anger; the staff in their hands is my fury!
Isa 10:6 Against a godless nation I send him, and against the people of my wrath I command him, to take spoil and seize plunder, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
Isa 10:7 But he does not so intend, and his heart does not so think; but it is in his heart to destroy, and to cut off nations not a few;

Assyrians are Gods rod of anger. Assyria is (mostly) Syria, Iraq,turkey and Iran.

Assad the Lion, is looking like a little horn. Dan 8:9 Out of one of them came a little horn, which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the glorious land.


7 posted on 08/25/2013 7:56:28 AM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Fulfilled in 732 BC.


8 posted on 08/25/2013 10:52:05 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: foundedonpurpose

“Assad the Lion, is looking like a little horn. Dan 8:9 Out of one of them came a little horn, which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the glorious land.”

And this was fulfilled in the person and actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes.


9 posted on 08/25/2013 10:53:44 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray
"Fulfilled in 732 BC."

Details, details.

Earthquake in Peru? Sermon on Paddington Bear in Prophecy shortly thereafter.

10 posted on 08/25/2013 11:26:18 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Stingray
"And this was fulfilled in the person and actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes."

No, no, no.

"Paddington" is Ancient Sumerian for "All Powerful" and "Bear" is Ancient Sumerian for "Evil Beast"".

Peru, it's about Peru, not some guy back in history.

Get with the program. Why point out how reliable Scripture is by showing how history exactly matches prophecy when you can focus on headlines and get them to stay tuned for the next episode?

11 posted on 08/25/2013 11:37:07 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Stingray
Good afternoon.

Fulfilled in 732 BC.

You are correct of course, but I've found that Biblical prophecy happens many times over.

Think about it (I know, you already have), Christians are martyred every day (as one example of many).

5.56mm

12 posted on 08/25/2013 11:42:24 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Rashputin

“Details, details.”

I don’t have time to go into all the details now. The fulfillment of Isaiah 17 regarding Damascus is found, in part, in II Kings 16:5-18.

And the prophecy regarding Damascus isn’t only found in Isa. 17. It’s found in Isa. chapters 7-9 inclusive.

Fulfilled prophecy is the proof of a true prophet and of the God who keeps His word.

Endless speculation over how the Bible fits into today’s headlines proves nothing about God and elevates current events (which change daily) over His eternal and unchanging Word.


13 posted on 08/25/2013 12:44:45 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: M Kehoe

“Think about it (I know, you already have), Christians are martyred every day (as one example of many).”

But only one period of Christian martyrdom set the stage for “the end” as Christ prophesied it and as His apostles clearly understood it.


14 posted on 08/25/2013 12:47:51 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray
That's all well and good if you ignore Paddington Bear being connected to the lost tribes settling in England and Peru.
15 posted on 08/25/2013 1:00:28 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

“That’s all well and good if you ignore Paddington Bear being connected to the lost tribes settling in England and Peru.”

LOL!


16 posted on 08/25/2013 1:15:24 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Rashputin
That's all well and good if you ignore Paddington Bear being connected to the lost tribes settling in England and Peru.

LOL.

(As an aside, I was reading last night about a group of Jews that ended up actually settling in Peru. Migrated out of Spain to avoid the Inquisition. Some ended up in Peru, where they went to the back country. Kept to themselves, they have a genetic marker that's interesting. Not exactly the "ten lost tribes", but interesting.)

17 posted on 08/25/2013 2:02:31 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Stingray
I don’t have time to go into all the details now. The fulfillment of Isaiah 17 regarding Damascus is found, in part, in II Kings 16:5-18.

Tiglath-Pileser III.

It's interesting to me how the current dispensational interpretation with the oracle against Damascus had become accepted dogma among them. I first heard it 5 or 6 years ago. I suspect no-one thought this twenty years ago.

18 posted on 08/25/2013 2:06:07 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Lee N. Field

“It’s interesting to me how the current dispensational interpretation with the oracle against Damascus had become accepted dogma among them. I first heard it 5 or 6 years ago. I suspect no-one thought this twenty years ago.”

I’d bet that’s because 20 years ago people were still fixated on this idea that all the end-time boogeyman stuff involved the revived Holy Roman Empire, such was the power of Hal Lindsay’s “Late Great Planet Earth.”

I used to believe that stuff. Not anymore. Not since my eyes were opened to the truth exemplified by these two passages:

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end...Daniel 12:4

And he saith unto me, Seal not up the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is at hand. Revelation 22:10

If the time of the end were at hand 2,000 years ago, it cannot be at hand today. If Dispensationalists and Futurists are right, then the eschatology of Christ and the apostles is wrong.

And if Christ is wrong, then He is not who He claimed to be.


19 posted on 08/25/2013 3:17:52 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray

Thank you!


20 posted on 08/25/2013 8:12:54 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: Stingray

really? Damascus ceased from being a city? It became a heap of rubble never to be a city again? I must have missed that one!:?)


21 posted on 08/25/2013 8:28:55 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (, but you are right about the mood, tense)
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To: pastorbillrandles

“really? Damascus ceased from being a city? It became a heap of rubble never to be a city again? I must have missed that one!:?)”

Really? Ever hear of a thing called “hyperbole” (exaggeration to make a point?) It’s used quite extensively in both the Old and New Testaments, especially in prophecy.

Or do you really believe the stars will literally “fall from the skies?”

By the way, you can read about the fulfillment of Isaiah 17 by Assyria here:

http://tinyurl.com/7qt369c


22 posted on 08/25/2013 9:59:33 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray

Yes I do believe that there is a metaphoric sense that the “Stars will fall from the sky,” as prophecy indicates. But Damascus is not a metaphor, it is the name of a specific city in the middle east, the “oldrest continously inhabited city” in the world. It has not yet ceased from being a city,as Isaiah predicted, but it shall soon.Question for you. Do you believe there is any prophetic significance to the modern rebirth of the state of ISrael?


23 posted on 08/26/2013 5:46:32 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles (, but you are right about the mood, tense)
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To: pastorbillrandles

“Do you believe there is any prophetic significance to the modern rebirth of the state of ISrael?”

None whatsoever.


24 posted on 08/26/2013 5:57:19 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray

Ok I think I get where you are coming from. Have a nice day!


25 posted on 08/26/2013 6:24:56 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles (, but you are right about the mood, tense)
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To: Stingray
And this was fulfilled in the person and actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes.

A partial fulfillment is not a fulfillment.
But yeah the antichrist is going to walk exactly in his footsteps . He is the prototype.

26 posted on 08/26/2013 6:29:28 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: pastorbillrandles

“Ok I think I get where you are coming from.”

And I, you. Been where you are. Outgrew the need to make the Bible about me. Hope others will do the same.


27 posted on 08/26/2013 6:29:32 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Lera

“A partial fulfillment is not a fulfillment.”

It wasn’t a partial fulfillment. Nothing in the Bible is left unfulfilled. Nothing.


28 posted on 08/26/2013 6:30:42 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray
It wasn’t a partial fulfillment. Nothing in the Bible is left unfulfilled. Nothing.

Yeah right ,we are living in peace in the millenium and the King of Kings is sitting on his throne in Jerusalem./s


29 posted on 08/26/2013 6:40:38 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: Lera

Amen!


30 posted on 08/26/2013 7:09:43 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles (, but you are right about the mood, tense)
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To: Lera

Yeah right ,we are living in peace in the millenium and the King of Kings is sitting on his throne in Jerusalem./s

Three errors in one sentence. That’s got to be a record of some kind. ;)


31 posted on 08/26/2013 10:04:41 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: pastorbillrandles
I thank you for this post. I believe you are lead by The Holy Spirit.

Since the introduction of nuclear weapons this prophecy makes more sense for today then ever before in history. I truly believe Damascus will seize to exist as a city. It seems also our " fearless leader" will be on the wrong side of history as it looks all across the Mid East as of current events.

I have personally had vision dreams of individuals I knew. They all died. One was so accurate of a drive by shooting reported by local news. I saw the news report in the dream six months before it happened.Accurate accounts. It bothered me I had to talk to clergy. They told me I was prayering souls into heaven. One specific dream about Our nation. The only national one I ever encountered. It ended with Obama in a grass field with a hand full of secret service men around his limo. He gets out seeing the sky then looked down at me with horror. I looked up saw the whole sky filled with green army fatigued parachuters in thousands coming down to land. I then woke up on this night of a local power blackout to candle light then accented by the regular lights coming back to light my bedroom.

This was on New Year's Eve before Obama was sworn in as President in his first term. I truly believe we will have an invasion on our soil. Real War on our continent. No more faraway lands without us being effected at home. Our nation has turned from God. I looked up green army clothing almost all nations have this color. Especially the Chinese and Russian armies. It looks like To me it was not in the dream vision but that Russia and China will be aligned against us. It could be Syria is the fulcrum which causes it all into reality. I am very concerned for us and our families. I am praying more now then I have ever in my life. These dream visions started in the mid single digits of the 2000's after I started intense prayers of our world for conversion. Pray now more than ever.

32 posted on 08/26/2013 10:21:33 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Stingray
It wasn’t a partial fulfillment. Nothing in the Bible is left unfulfilled. Nothing.

New heavens and new earth? No.

Resurrection of the dead? No.

Every tear wiped away, no more crying or pain? Most firmly, no. I had to buy some grave sites this past weekend.

33 posted on 08/26/2013 3:37:31 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Rashputin; Lera; pastorbillrandles
Ancient prophesy and somewhat recent headlines...

Daniel 7:7 “After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.

23 “He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. 24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.

Revelation 17:7 But the angel said to me, “Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.

Muammur Kaddafi was the third king uprooted, the other two, Hosni Mubarak and Saddam Hussein. And uprooted is the perfect word as these three had nearly 100 years of combined rule in the M.E. No small feat indeed. Psalm 83 contains the 'list' of the ten kingdoms from Daniel and Revelation.

Now, who arose and then uprooted? Google 'Abdullah Sworn In' BBC World News to find Daniel 8:23's stern faced king standing up.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/274302.stm

Now google 'Amman seven mountains' for more fun!

34 posted on 08/26/2013 5:33:17 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (EL CHaI)
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To: Jeremiah Jr; Lera; pastorbillrandles; Lee N. Field; Stingray
Here's a prophecy that comes true for people every day. You could preach six months of Sunday sermons just on what "the narrow gate" means and how a great many things people who claim to be Christian accept isn't included in that definition.

Luke 13:22 And he went through the cities and towns teaching, and making his journey to Jerusalem.
Luke 13:23 And a certain man said to him : Lord, are they few that are saved ? But he said to them :
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter by the narrow gate ; for many, I say to you, shall seek to enter, and shall not be able.
Luke 13:25 But when the master of the house shall be gone in, and shall shut the door, you shall begin to stand without, and knock at the door, saying : Lord, open to us. And he answering, shall say to you : I know you not, whence you are.
Luke 13:26 Then you shall begin to say : We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
Luke 13:27 And he shall say to you : I know you not, whence you are : depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you shall see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Luke 13:29 And there shall come from the east and the west, and the north and the south ; and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
Luke 13:30 And behold, they are last that shall be first ; and they are first that shall be last.

Focusing on End Times prophecy is like only preaching from a boat just offshore at the local lake because that's what Christ did.

Prophecy theories have become an easy and profitable substitute for the difficult primary mission.

35 posted on 08/26/2013 7:49:13 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin; pastorbillrandles

It’s quite fitting that you choose Luke 13:22-30 to mock us on prophecy and mention the narrow gate

(Jude 1:18) How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Jesus himself defines the narrow gate as the door to the sheepfold
(John 10:7) Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
(John 10:8) All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
(John 10:9) I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Narrow gate is Jesus HIMSELF not some “church”

You advise us to ignore prophesy when Jesus tells us to keep watching

(Mark 13:35) Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
(Mark 13:36) Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
(Mark 13:37) And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.


36 posted on 08/27/2013 12:47:13 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: Lee N. Field

“New heavens and new earth? No.

Every tear wiped away, no more crying or pain? Most firmly, no. I had to buy some grave sites this past weekend.”

Old heaven and earth was the old covenant nation/kingdom of Israel ruled by priests who applied and interpreted the Law of Moses. It was symbolized by the temple and was given as a promise to Moses.

New heavens and earth: the new covenant kingdom of God is a new nation of believers in Christ. The new temple is the body of Christ, its priesthood is every believer, and it’s this New Jerusalem and new bride of Christ John sees coming down out of heaven that supersedes the old covenant kingdom established by the law.

So yes, we are living in the new heavens and earth.

“Resurrection of the dead? No.”

Paul said we are raised to newness of life in Christ. The resurrection of every believer is spiritual and when a believer dies they immediately pass “from life to life”, putting on a new, heavenly body the very instant this earthly body ceases to live. There is no waiting in the ground for your body to be raised: you go straight to the Father the moment you die. That is the hope of the resurrection. It is not to wait in the ground to be raised to live forever on earth. Your new body is spiritual and Jesus said those in the resurrection would be “like the angels.”

The resurrection happens the very moment you believe. That’s the gospel Paul taught. Look it up.

Dispensationalism preaches a whole other, false gospel.

“Every tear wiped away, no more crying or pain? Most firmly, no. I had to buy some grave sites this past weekend.”

Jesus said we would have trouble in this world but that He had overcome it. He wipes away every tear by offering the “peace that passes all understanding.” And when you pass from this life immediately into the next it will be He who greets you on the other side. That is our glorious hope. That is the hope all the writers of the New Testament taught. Dispensationalism teaches a completely different, completely false gospel.

Old Covenant Israel was physical yet was said to be the shadow, not the substance, of things to come (read Hebrews for cryin’ out loud!)

New Covenant Israel - Christ’s church, made up of believing Jews and Gentiles - is spiritual yet is said to be the substance - the “real” of heavenly things come down to earth!

God’s redemptive plan through Christ is complete: there is not another thing that can or needs to be added to it. God doesn’t have a “plan C” for saving the Jews in the false gospel of Dispensationalism! There is no return to a physical temple: we are God’s temple. There is no return to animal sacrifice: Christ was God’s perfect sacrifice!

And only when people begin to understand that Christ’s kingdom is spiritual and that every believer is a member of its priesthood NOW will the scales of the twin false doctrines of Dispensationalism and Futurism begin to fall from their eyes.

You’re all waiting for something God has already done, and because you are, you’re not only missing out on the blessings of an abundant life in Christ right now, but you’re teaching others to miss out on it, too.

Sad. Very sad.


37 posted on 08/27/2013 1:24:44 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Lera

“You advise us to ignore prophesy when Jesus tells us to keep watching

(Mark 13:35) Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
(Mark 13:36) Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
(Mark 13:37) And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.”

Jesus didn’t speak those words to you. He spoke them to the people to whom He also said this:

“Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” Matthew 16:28

“Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” Matthew 24:34

But again, Dispesationalists and Futurists don’t want to deal with the 800 gorilla in the room:

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end...Daniel 12:4

And he saith unto me, Seal not up the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is at hand. Revelation 22:10

If you’re right, the God who directed Daniel and John to write what they did in their respective letters is wrong.

And if God is wrong, he’s not worth believing in.

If you’re right, you undermine the very foundation of the faith you claim to hold so dear.

That is, by definition, a false gospel.


38 posted on 08/27/2013 1:33:00 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Jeremiah Jr

“Now google ‘Amman seven mountains’ for more fun!”

Jerusalem was a city built on 7 hills, too. In fact, there are many cities worldwide built on 7 hills. Google it.


39 posted on 08/27/2013 1:39:06 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

I predict another buying surge of firearms. Obama war could give the RATs cause for martial law here.


40 posted on 08/27/2013 1:45:02 AM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: Lera
Nice try, but it's the Bestselling Christ Surrenders to Satan scam that mocks Jesus Christ Himself.

Romans 11:21 For if God hath not spared the natural branches, fear lest perhaps he also spare not thee.
Romans 11:22 See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God,if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Keep on preaching the illusion that living a Christian life doesn't matter and focusing on the bestselling diversion of the moment if you like, but all the tap dancing in the world doesn't change the fact that Jesus Christ expects us to bear fruit.

James 2:17 So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.
James 2:18 But some man will say : Thou hast faith, and I have works : shew me thy faith without works ; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith.
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well : the devils also believe and tremble.
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar?
James 2:22 Seest thou, that faith did co-operate with his works; and by works faith was made perfect?
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God.
James 2:24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?
James 2:25 And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers, and sending them out another way?
James 2:26 For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead.

No matter how you twist "watching", it doesn't encompass generating new interpretations of Scripture any time the headlines change in order to sell the sizzle of knowing the future.

41 posted on 08/27/2013 5:09:45 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Stingray
The resurrection happens the very moment you believe. That’s the gospel Paul taught. Look it up.

16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17 Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”

42 posted on 08/27/2013 6:03:01 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles (, but you are right about the mood, tense)
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To: pastorbillrandles

“They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some.”

Paul didn’t write that to you. He wrote to someone living before 70 AD.

Address Daniel 12:4 and Revelation 22:10, if you can!


43 posted on 08/27/2013 7:13:03 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Rashputin
You forgot to keep reading

(Romans 11:22) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

(Romans 11:23) And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

(Romans 11:24) For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

(Romans 11:25) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

(Romans 11:26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

(Romans 11:27) For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

(Romans 11:28) As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

(Romans 11:29) For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

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The people who watch actually expect him to return and they don't want to be found doing nothing even though they know it isn't their works that save them and they can't earn their way.

44 posted on 08/27/2013 8:17:57 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: Stingray
It is obviously saying that Daniel's prophecy can only fully be interpretted in the light of the first Advent of the Messiah. Yes, the Last days began on the day of Pentecost. Peter applied Joel's prophecy to the day of Pentecost, "It shall come to pass in the last days, I will pour forth of my spirit upon all flesh... But both Peter and Paul reffered to a future epoch called "In the last days, o the Latter times...

This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

A day is as a thousand years and a thousand years are as a day, therefore in the big picture we are on the edge of the long awaited Sabbath Day, awaiting the Millenial day of rest. There have been 6000 ears of human history, most of which have past, Jesus came two 'days' ago, by that reckoning. Hosea 6 tells us that for "two days" the Jews would be smitten and torn, and on the 'third day" they would be perfected. We are at the end of the second day, in the very last of the last days, the eve of the day of the Lord.

45 posted on 08/27/2013 8:55:42 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles (, but you are right about the mood, tense)
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To: pastorbillrandles

“A day is as a thousand years and a thousand years are as a day...”

Stop using these verses as a “secret decoder ring.” This is a quote from the Psalms and Peter is using it to tell people Christ hasn’t come yet because He is giving them time to repent! It’s not a crypto-calendar for false doctrine like Dispensationalism! Christ said “ALL these things” would happen before that generation passed! Peter was writing to people (specifically Jews in the diaspora!) that “THE END IS NEAR!” and calling them to repent!

Dispensationalism requires two things: people who willingly spread false doctrine and people ignorant of basic contextual hermeneutics. Which one are you?

“This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you...”

The “you” in that verse is not YOU! Peter was writing to a specific audience at a specific time for a specific reason and YOU are the last person he had in mind!

YOU, a dispensationalist preacher living 2,000 years after the fact was not even on Peter’s radar! He was very specific to whom he addressed his letters:

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the elect who are sojourners of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 1 Peter 1:1

Are you a Jew whose forefathers were dispersed into those areas of the ancient near east? If not, PETER WAS NOT WRITING TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE ALIVE FOR THE LAST 2,000 YEARS!

You call yourself a pastor yet you don’t understand the basics of hermeneutics, Biblical or otherwise???

Shame on you!


46 posted on 08/27/2013 10:03:45 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray

Stingray,I am not going to trade “Shame on you”’s with you, it is a waste of time. But for someone who doesn’t see the obvious prophetic significance of the miraculous rebirth of Israel,(As prophesied by Jeremiah,Isaiah, Joel, Ezekiel), and you also insist somehow that the resurrection occurred in 70ad, you have no credibility. If anyone is using “hyper dispensationalistic” methods, it is you, trying to tell me that the second epistle of Peter isn’t applicble to me. Do yu actually believe Christ came in 70 AD?


47 posted on 08/27/2013 11:56:31 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles (, but you are right about the mood, tense)
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To: Rashputin
Psalm 97:11 Light is sown for the righteous, And gladness for the upright in heart.

A, B, C, it's a process. How does one acquire light?

Exodus 24:7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has said we will do, and be obedient.”

The Hebrew word for 'obedient' here is shema, which also means know, as in, we will do, and we will know. Do mitzvot. That's how to receive light! Notice 24/7 nice touch.

Malachi 3:16 Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name.

17 “On the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty, “they will be my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as a father has compassion and spares his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.

4:1 “Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its rays. And you will go out and frolic like well-fed calves. 3 Then you will trample on the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty.

4 “Remember the Torah of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.

Repent / Teshuvah = 'Return,' return to Torah

Read the parable of the prodigal son (Luke 15), the older brother is Judaism, the younger Christianity. The younger brother better do teshuvah! To the Father and to Torah!

And learn some Hebrew
http://www.sarshalom.us/resources/scripture/asv/bible.html#BRITHAHADASHAH

48 posted on 08/27/2013 12:28:50 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (EL CHaI)
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To: pastorbillrandles

“...for someone who doesn’t see the obvious prophetic significance of the miraculous rebirth of Israel,(As prophesied by Jeremiah,Isaiah, Joel, Ezekiel)...”

And every prophet you cited there was fulfilled in the restoration of Israel after the Babylonian captivity! There is no prophetic significance to the rebirth of Israel because Jesus Himself said “all these things” would be fulfilled before His generation had passed!

Luke wrote that all things written would be fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem! (I’m paraphrasing for the sake of time here.)

The resurrection was tied to the judgment of Israel (read Daniel 12) at “the time of the end.” John wrote that that time was “at hand!” (Revelation 22)!

Jesus parousia (literally, His “presence”) happened in the events surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem and it’s Temple, just as God’s presence was “seen” in the destruction of Jerusalem & its Temple in 586 BC by the Babylonians!

So yes, He came in judgment upon those who killed Him and the messengers He sent! Read Matthew chapters 21-25!

As much as you would like to make the Bible about us living today, it is NOT about us!

But given the choice between believing Christ when He said He would come again while some of those standing right in front of Him were still alive (Matt. 16:27-28), or believing you, who says He hasn’t, I’ll believe the plainly spoken words of Christ!


49 posted on 08/27/2013 2:09:35 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray

OK- go ahead and believe what you want. Have the ‘sheep and goats’ been judged already?


50 posted on 08/27/2013 2:18:03 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (, but you are right about the mood, tense)
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