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Joel Osteen and Pope Francis
patheos.com ^ | August 27, 2013 | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 08/28/2013 11:39:15 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Joel Osteen and Pope Francis

August 27, 2013 By 7 Comments

Joel Osteen the prosperity preacher from Houston has just moved up from his $2m mansion to a $10m mansion. Here’s the news.

This is one of the things that tickle me about American Protestantism. These are the folks who have traditionally beat the Catholics with a big stick about the Pope living in a palace surrounded by rich art works.

The other thing is the way Protestants will beat up on Catholics for having a highly exalted infallible leader who is treated like a celebrity. Duh. The problem with them is not that they don’t have a Pope, but that they have 30,000 popes. Every pastor a pope, and Pope Osteen is just one among many.

So Pope Francis lives in a modest suite in a functional hostel while Pope Joel lives in a palace in Houston. Even when the popes lived in the apostolic palace they only lived in a comparatively modest apartment in the palace, and all that art? It’s history and heritage. He doesn’t own it. It belongs to the world–witness the crowds who come and go talking of Michelangelo.

But who am I to judge? They say Joel Osteen makes all his loot from sale of his books and calendars and self help T-shirts. He’s welcome to it I guess, and who knows, he might live like a prince of the Church on a fraction of his takings. He might give 90% of his wealth to the poor. So live and let live and let God be the judge.

But when it comes to appearances, when it comes to the one who seems to live the life of apostolic simplicity– Pope Francis wins.

For that matter, he wins with the gospel he’s preaching too. The American prosperity gospel is a false gospel. It’s no surprise that Osteen’s church doesn’t have a cross in it. Neither does the gospel he’s preaching.

Just thought…are there any photoshoppers out there who can send me a pic of Osteen being carried around in the sedia gestatoria?


TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; Humor
KEYWORDS: megachurch; osteen; popefrancis; ybpdln
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1 posted on 08/28/2013 11:39:15 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Not all Protestants believe Joel is even part of the church ...


2 posted on 08/28/2013 11:40:33 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Osteen’s a fraud.


3 posted on 08/28/2013 11:41:55 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: 11th_VA

That’s good to know. Seriously.


4 posted on 08/28/2013 11:46:43 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Osteen is to Prostestants what Father Phleger is to Catholics.


5 posted on 08/28/2013 11:47:34 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Osteen does not speak for real Christians. He is fake just like many other so called tv ministers. It is a disgrace the way these people live.


6 posted on 08/28/2013 11:48:50 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

I’m not loco over this pope but Osteen

No thank you


7 posted on 08/28/2013 11:48:56 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: 11th_VA

He is a heretic and false preacher.


8 posted on 08/28/2013 11:49:48 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Your problem is you are lumping all protestants together.

Very few protestant leaders live in 10m mansions. Those that do usually only reside there a short time before their fall.

How long has the Pope lived in the Vatican?


9 posted on 08/28/2013 11:55:34 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Osteen is a slick snake oil salesman.

He’s been blessed with that ability.

By whom, I can’t say.


10 posted on 08/28/2013 11:55:44 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

“This is one of the things that tickle me about American Protestantism. These are the folks who have traditionally beat the Catholics with a big stick about the Pope living in a palace surrounded by rich art works.

The other thing is the way Protestants will beat up on Catholics for having a highly exalted infallible leader who is treated like a celebrity. Duh. The problem with them is not that they don’t have a Pope, but that they have 30,000 popes. Every pastor a pope, and Pope Osteen is just one among many.”

Ummm... no. Most Protestants decry Joel Osteen for those things too, and most Protestant leaders do not engage in this behavior that Osteen does. Not to mention that no Prostestant pastor can claim infallibility or some universal jurisdiction, so calling them “popes” is just ludicrous.

Now, if we cherry picked one pedophile priest that Catholics roundly denounced and held him up as an exemplar of Catholicism, I have a feeling this author would not be okay with that.


11 posted on 08/28/2013 11:58:32 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Neither the Pope with his acceptance of Gays, nor Osteen with his love of mammon are part of any church I would belong to.


12 posted on 08/28/2013 12:03:23 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Where is the like button?


13 posted on 08/28/2013 12:09:24 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: humblegunner

He follows the mantra “a sucker is born every minute”. He preaches kool-aid to people with empty souls looking to find a way to be happy that includes lots of money.


14 posted on 08/28/2013 12:11:26 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: driftdiver

That seems to be the thing, to count all churches and denominations that are not of the Catholic denomination, as a single church, and then scour the world for tales and stories as though it is a single church.


15 posted on 08/28/2013 12:12:18 PM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. There's a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.")
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; DocRock; del4hope; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; Ottofire; ...
The YBPDLNPL is generally published infrequently, but based on the exploits of the megachurch pastors posts can spike for a period of time. If you would like on or off of this list please FReepmail me.


16 posted on 08/28/2013 12:12:27 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Gamecock
Joel Osteen the prosperity preacher from Houston has just moved up from his $2m mansion to a $10m mansion. Here’s the news. This is one of the things that tickle me about American Protestantism. These are the folks who have traditionally beat the Catholics with a big stick about the Pope living in a palace surrounded by rich art works.

The other thing is the way Protestants will beat up on Catholics for having a highly exalted infallible leader who is treated like a celebrity. Duh. The problem with them is not that they don’t have a Pope, but that they have 30,000 popes. Every pastor a pope, and Pope Osteen is just one among many. So Pope Francis lives in a modest suite in a functional hostel while Pope Joel lives in a palace in Houston.

Class warfare, 30,000 denominations (Hey Gamecock! We're back down to 30,000 this week!), and every non-Catholic's a Protestant. It's a cornucopia of Catholic carping!

Joel Osteen Joins With Catholics To Convert Confused Protestants
Joel Osteen purchases Catholicism in time for Easter
Joel Osteen Heresy Gauge

17 posted on 08/28/2013 12:16:06 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: driftdiver

It takes a large number of Protestants to put an Osteen in a $10 million house.


18 posted on 08/28/2013 12:19:49 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: arthurus
It takes a large number of Protestants to put an Osteen in a $10 million house.

What makes you believe that it takes any Protestants?

19 posted on 08/28/2013 12:22:42 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Boogieman

No pedophilic priest so far has had enough supporters to put him in a $10million house. Protestantism has a lengthy history of such Prosperity Prophets. In the 60s there was Reverend Ike


20 posted on 08/28/2013 12:24:20 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Hogwash. I enjoy Joel. Light years better than the pastors that have been in my church who told me to send money to Idi Amin and made me go to marriage classes to teach me not about marriage but how I should back the equal rights amendment.

I also enjoyed Eugene Scott. Made mrs p6 watch him while she was in labor with our second child. Actually it was the only program on the hospital TV that late at night, lol!


21 posted on 08/28/2013 12:24:38 PM PDT by prisoner6 ( FREEDOM!e)
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To: arthurus

Call me when he installs gold plated doors in his house.


22 posted on 08/28/2013 12:25:07 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Just the lumpy ones.


23 posted on 08/28/2013 12:28:45 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Kartographer

You haven’t been paying a lot of attention there.


24 posted on 08/28/2013 12:29:36 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

All I will say is this.
If you do not think that within the Vatican there are treasures worth HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of Millions of dollars you need to buy a clue...............


25 posted on 08/28/2013 12:34:17 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Alex Murphy

Catholics probably don’t send him very much money or buy a whole lot of his books. I suspect Buddhists don’t either, or Moslems or...


26 posted on 08/28/2013 12:36:45 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: arthurus
Catholics probably don’t send him very much money or buy a whole lot of his books. I suspect Buddhists don’t either, or Moslems or...

What constitutes a "Protestant" to you, arthurus? Is it simply anyone not Catholic, nor Buddhist, nor Moslem?

27 posted on 08/28/2013 12:50:25 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: TomServo

The guy just looks sleazy. Billy Graham as far as I know never took a salary higher than $100,000 per year which was modest in comparison with CEO’s running similar sized enterprises.


28 posted on 08/28/2013 12:57:05 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
All I will say is this. If you do not think that within the Vatican there are treasures worth HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of Millions of dollars you need to buy a clue....

And all I will say is this.

There are 1 billion Catholics in the world.

The assets of the Vatican are estimated at $1 billion.

Harvard's endowment is $32 billion.

The Vatican's administrative staff is smaller than that of the University of Notre Dame.

29 posted on 08/28/2013 12:57:39 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: arthurus

Ok, forget pedophiles. How about Father Korapi? He had plenty of followers and still turned out to be a rotten egg. Should we hold him up as an exemplar of Catholic clergymen? Or would you say that is cherry picking a bad example that is not representative of the group?


30 posted on 08/28/2013 1:00:05 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Yep. Thanks for pointing this out. I have yet to see any anti-Catholics recognize these simple facts, and how preposterous the whole “Vatican wealth” line of attack is.


31 posted on 08/28/2013 1:01:06 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Boogieman
How about [Father Corapi]? He had plenty of followers and still turned out to be a rotten egg. Should we hold him up as an exemplar of Catholic clergymen?

If you go back in time five seconds before he went rogue, that answer is assuredly YES.

32 posted on 08/28/2013 1:04:52 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: driftdiver
Your problem is that you can't comprehend the written word and also confuse Dr. Kopp with Father Longenecker. In other words you're lumping while accusing others of lumping.

Ain't irony grand?

Does your back get sore lugging that brush around?

33 posted on 08/28/2013 1:11:37 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
The assets of the Vatican are estimated at $1 billion.

How did they come up with that figure, and what is the total estimated wealth of the Catholic church? What did they estimate the Sistine Chapel art at, and who is the they that came up with a figure that so many sources and economists dispute and that strikes many people as laughable?

34 posted on 08/28/2013 1:11:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. There's a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.")
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Nice try. But hey when you can’t win on merit you might as well deflect.


35 posted on 08/28/2013 1:15:35 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
The assets of the Vatican are estimated at $1 billion.

Another question, would a prudent billionaire be eager or hesitant to purchase the total assets of the Vatican for 1 billion dollars thinking purely of financial investment?

36 posted on 08/28/2013 1:16:13 PM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. There's a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.")
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

The monetary value of the Vatican and Catholic Churches around the world are FAR in excess of $1 billion.

Just the real estate of the Vatican is worth a $1 billion. Some articles put the Vaticans value at $10-$15 billion.


37 posted on 08/28/2013 1:20:03 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ansel12
Another question, would a prudent billionaire be eager or hesitant to purchase the total assets of the Vatican for 1 billion dollars, thinking purely of financial investment?

And is that billionaire willing to sell shares to co-investors?

38 posted on 08/28/2013 1:22:46 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: driftdiver
Just the real estate of the Vatican is worth a $1 billion. Some articles put the Vaticans value at $10-$15 billion.

Isn't that way outdated, isn't that 10-15 billion dollar figure from a Time magazine article from 1965 for instance?

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,833509,00.html

39 posted on 08/28/2013 1:44:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. There's a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.")
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To: ansel12

Dunno, there are a ton of articles and they all give different amounts.

I don’t know what the value is, but I feel very comfortable saying its more than $1 billion.


40 posted on 08/28/2013 1:49:55 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

.....”The monetary value of the Vatican and Catholic Churches around the world are FAR in excess of $1 billion....”

Here we go again with nonsensical arguments. Anyone that lumps the value of all the Catholic Churches into the value of the Vatican has rocks for brains. I will give you another chance to think this through.

The Catholic church is made up of a few billion Catholics. Of course there is monetary value in the churches. As for the Vatican, just what amount would you be willing to sell the Pieta for if you owned it - and would you guarantee that it would be protected from damages? How about the Sistine Chapel????????? How much should the CC sell that for anyway? What price the works of Michelangelo, Raphael, etc....? The Vatican, if it was owned by someone else, would still be a museum filled with priceless art works.

Every Catholic who donates money to the church is paying for the preservation of the Christian worlds’ priceless history and heritage.


41 posted on 08/28/2013 2:33:50 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: arthurus

Apparently much more than you have.


42 posted on 08/28/2013 2:39:28 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ansel12; SECURE AMERICA; driftdiver; Alex Murphy; St_Thomas_Aquinas
Isn't that way outdated, isn't that 10-15 billion dollar figure from a Time magazine article from 1965 for instance?

So, since the Vatican is "rich," it should sell all its churches, schools, hospitals, orphanages, Vatican City, etc., and give that money to the poor, right? And what exactly would that achieve, besides assuring subsequent generations never receive any of the help and benefits from those same churches, schools, hospitals, orphanages, Vatican City, etc.?

BOOMTOWN 2: Taxpayers Have Spent $15 Trillion on 'War on Poverty'

That's just one country, and its been a complete and utter failure at that.

All those who cry about the "Vatican's riches" are fools or tools, IMHO.

43 posted on 08/28/2013 2:40:55 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Kartographer

osteen now has spoken against the Apostles and has said that they were wrong and that gays are welcome in the church... practicing homosexuals are just fine and dandy with GOD the man says.

LLS

Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John
United for Awakening ^ | 8/27/13 | Peter Michael Martinez

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3059879/posts

Joel does acknowledge that some things are “sin” but says, “I don’t address these things from the pulpit. They only come up in interviews.” When asked if openly practicing gay/homosexual people will be accepted into heaven, Joel Osteen responded, “I believe they will.”


44 posted on 08/28/2013 2:42:00 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
The Myth of Vatican Wealth–on Helping the Poor
45 posted on 08/28/2013 2:43:52 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: LibLieSlayer

I am NOT Defending Osteen. I already made that clear.


46 posted on 08/28/2013 2:53:57 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Why change the subject?

Personally I’m just interested in what appears to be some fake claims about the lack of assets in the Catholic church.

I think that just about any billionaire or investment group would jump at the chance to pay “1 billion dollars”! for just the total Vatican assets, of the total wealth of the Catholic denomination.


47 posted on 08/28/2013 2:57:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. There's a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.")
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

“The other thing is the way Protestants will beat up on Catholics for having a highly exalted infallible leader who is treated like a celebrity. Duh. The problem with them is not that they don’t have a Pope, but that they have 30,000 popes. Every pastor a pope, and Pope Osteen is just one among many.”


I don’t actually even think Osteen is a Christian. Then again, I think the same thing about “Papa” Francis.


48 posted on 08/28/2013 2:58:35 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: LibLieSlayer

My Pastor Steve Smothermon

http://www.legacychurchnm.com/index.cfm/pageid/2532/index.html


49 posted on 08/28/2013 3:02:06 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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