Skip to comments.Joel Osteen and Pope Francis
Posted on 08/28/2013 11:39:15 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
Joel Osteen the prosperity preacher from Houston has just moved up from his $2m mansion to a $10m mansion. Heres the news.
This is one of the things that tickle me about American Protestantism. These are the folks who have traditionally beat the Catholics with a big stick about the Pope living in a palace surrounded by rich art works.
The other thing is the way Protestants will beat up on Catholics for having a highly exalted infallible leader who is treated like a celebrity. Duh. The problem with them is not that they dont have a Pope, but that they have 30,000 popes. Every pastor a pope, and Pope Osteen is just one among many.
So Pope Francis lives in a modest suite in a functional hostel while Pope Joel lives in a palace in Houston. Even when the popes lived in the apostolic palace they only lived in a comparatively modest apartment in the palace, and all that art? Its history and heritage. He doesnt own it. It belongs to the worldwitness the crowds who come and go talking of Michelangelo.
But who am I to judge? They say Joel Osteen makes all his loot from sale of his books and calendars and self help T-shirts. Hes welcome to it I guess, and who knows, he might live like a prince of the Church on a fraction of his takings. He might give 90% of his wealth to the poor. So live and let live and let God be the judge.
But when it comes to appearances, when it comes to the one who seems to live the life of apostolic simplicity Pope Francis wins.
For that matter, he wins with the gospel hes preaching too. The American prosperity gospel is a false gospel. Its no surprise that Osteens church doesnt have a cross in it. Neither does the gospel hes preaching.
are there any photoshoppers out there who can send me a pic of Osteen being carried around in the sedia gestatoria?
Not all Protestants believe Joel is even part of the church ...
Osteen’s a fraud.
That’s good to know. Seriously.
Osteen is to Prostestants what Father Phleger is to Catholics.
Osteen does not speak for real Christians. He is fake just like many other so called tv ministers. It is a disgrace the way these people live.
I’m not loco over this pope but Osteen
No thank you
He is a heretic and false preacher.
Your problem is you are lumping all protestants together.
Very few protestant leaders live in 10m mansions. Those that do usually only reside there a short time before their fall.
How long has the Pope lived in the Vatican?
Osteen is a slick snake oil salesman.
He’s been blessed with that ability.
By whom, I can’t say.
“This is one of the things that tickle me about American Protestantism. These are the folks who have traditionally beat the Catholics with a big stick about the Pope living in a palace surrounded by rich art works.
The other thing is the way Protestants will beat up on Catholics for having a highly exalted infallible leader who is treated like a celebrity. Duh. The problem with them is not that they dont have a Pope, but that they have 30,000 popes. Every pastor a pope, and Pope Osteen is just one among many.”
Ummm... no. Most Protestants decry Joel Osteen for those things too, and most Protestant leaders do not engage in this behavior that Osteen does. Not to mention that no Prostestant pastor can claim infallibility or some universal jurisdiction, so calling them “popes” is just ludicrous.
Now, if we cherry picked one pedophile priest that Catholics roundly denounced and held him up as an exemplar of Catholicism, I have a feeling this author would not be okay with that.
Neither the Pope with his acceptance of Gays, nor Osteen with his love of mammon are part of any church I would belong to.
Where is the like button?
He follows the mantra “a sucker is born every minute”. He preaches kool-aid to people with empty souls looking to find a way to be happy that includes lots of money.
That seems to be the thing, to count all churches and denominations that are not of the Catholic denomination, as a single church, and then scour the world for tales and stories as though it is a single church.
The other thing is the way Protestants will beat up on Catholics for having a highly exalted infallible leader who is treated like a celebrity. Duh. The problem with them is not that they dont have a Pope, but that they have 30,000 popes. Every pastor a pope, and Pope Osteen is just one among many. So Pope Francis lives in a modest suite in a functional hostel while Pope Joel lives in a palace in Houston.
Class warfare, 30,000 denominations (Hey Gamecock! We're back down to 30,000 this week!), and every non-Catholic's a Protestant. It's a cornucopia of Catholic carping!
It takes a large number of Protestants to put an Osteen in a $10 million house.
What makes you believe that it takes any Protestants?
No pedophilic priest so far has had enough supporters to put him in a $10million house. Protestantism has a lengthy history of such Prosperity Prophets. In the 60s there was Reverend Ike
Hogwash. I enjoy Joel. Light years better than the pastors that have been in my church who told me to send money to Idi Amin and made me go to marriage classes to teach me not about marriage but how I should back the equal rights amendment.
I also enjoyed Eugene Scott. Made mrs p6 watch him while she was in labor with our second child. Actually it was the only program on the hospital TV that late at night, lol!
Call me when he installs gold plated doors in his house.
Just the lumpy ones.
You haven’t been paying a lot of attention there.
All I will say is this.
If you do not think that within the Vatican there are treasures worth HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of Millions of dollars you need to buy a clue...............
Catholics probably don’t send him very much money or buy a whole lot of his books. I suspect Buddhists don’t either, or Moslems or...
What constitutes a "Protestant" to you, arthurus? Is it simply anyone not Catholic, nor Buddhist, nor Moslem?
The guy just looks sleazy. Billy Graham as far as I know never took a salary higher than $100,000 per year which was modest in comparison with CEO’s running similar sized enterprises.
And all I will say is this.
There are 1 billion Catholics in the world.
The assets of the Vatican are estimated at $1 billion.
Harvard's endowment is $32 billion.
The Vatican's administrative staff is smaller than that of the University of Notre Dame.
Ok, forget pedophiles. How about Father Korapi? He had plenty of followers and still turned out to be a rotten egg. Should we hold him up as an exemplar of Catholic clergymen? Or would you say that is cherry picking a bad example that is not representative of the group?
Yep. Thanks for pointing this out. I have yet to see any anti-Catholics recognize these simple facts, and how preposterous the whole “Vatican wealth” line of attack is.
If you go back in time five seconds before he went rogue, that answer is assuredly YES.
Ain't irony grand?
How did they come up with that figure, and what is the total estimated wealth of the Catholic church? What did they estimate the Sistine Chapel art at, and who is the they that came up with a figure that so many sources and economists dispute and that strikes many people as laughable?
Nice try. But hey when you can’t win on merit you might as well deflect.
Another question, would a prudent billionaire be eager or hesitant to purchase the total assets of the Vatican for 1 billion dollars thinking purely of financial investment?
The monetary value of the Vatican and Catholic Churches around the world are FAR in excess of $1 billion.
Just the real estate of the Vatican is worth a $1 billion. Some articles put the Vaticans value at $10-$15 billion.
And is that billionaire willing to sell shares to co-investors?
Isn't that way outdated, isn't that 10-15 billion dollar figure from a Time magazine article from 1965 for instance?
Dunno, there are a ton of articles and they all give different amounts.
I don’t know what the value is, but I feel very comfortable saying its more than $1 billion.
.....”The monetary value of the Vatican and Catholic Churches around the world are FAR in excess of $1 billion....”
Here we go again with nonsensical arguments. Anyone that lumps the value of all the Catholic Churches into the value of the Vatican has rocks for brains. I will give you another chance to think this through.
The Catholic church is made up of a few billion Catholics. Of course there is monetary value in the churches. As for the Vatican, just what amount would you be willing to sell the Pieta for if you owned it - and would you guarantee that it would be protected from damages? How about the Sistine Chapel????????? How much should the CC sell that for anyway? What price the works of Michelangelo, Raphael, etc....? The Vatican, if it was owned by someone else, would still be a museum filled with priceless art works.
Every Catholic who donates money to the church is paying for the preservation of the Christian worlds’ priceless history and heritage.
Apparently much more than you have.
So, since the Vatican is "rich," it should sell all its churches, schools, hospitals, orphanages, Vatican City, etc., and give that money to the poor, right? And what exactly would that achieve, besides assuring subsequent generations never receive any of the help and benefits from those same churches, schools, hospitals, orphanages, Vatican City, etc.?
That's just one country, and its been a complete and utter failure at that.
All those who cry about the "Vatican's riches" are fools or tools, IMHO.
osteen now has spoken against the Apostles and has said that they were wrong and that gays are welcome in the church... practicing homosexuals are just fine and dandy with GOD the man says.
Joel Osteen Rebukes Apostles Paul, Peter, and John
United for Awakening ^ | 8/27/13 | Peter Michael Martinez
Joel does acknowledge that some things are sin but says, I dont address these things from the pulpit. They only come up in interviews. When asked if openly practicing gay/homosexual people will be accepted into heaven, Joel Osteen responded, I believe they will.
I am NOT Defending Osteen. I already made that clear.
Why change the subject?
Personally I’m just interested in what appears to be some fake claims about the lack of assets in the Catholic church.
I think that just about any billionaire or investment group would jump at the chance to pay “1 billion dollars”! for just the total Vatican assets, of the total wealth of the Catholic denomination.
“The other thing is the way Protestants will beat up on Catholics for having a highly exalted infallible leader who is treated like a celebrity. Duh. The problem with them is not that they dont have a Pope, but that they have 30,000 popes. Every pastor a pope, and Pope Osteen is just one among many.”
I don’t actually even think Osteen is a Christian. Then again, I think the same thing about “Papa” Francis.
My Pastor Steve Smothermon