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Syria; This Senator "gets it"...
http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2013/08/30/syria-this-senator-gets-it/ ^ | 08-29-13 | Bill Randles

Posted on 08/30/2013 7:36:57 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles

Syria; This Senator ‘gets’ it… Posted on August 30, 2013 by billrandles I am distributing this article far and wide to let people know why I had to do an unprecedented (for me) thing, I tried to talk a young man out of going into the US Military. As a patriotic American, I have always rightly regarded the military of the United States as a force for good. But this Commander in Chief has put our troops to the service of Al Queda, and I wouldn’t want to either shed one drop of blood for them, nor would I want to shed anyone else’s blood to further the cause of Al Queda, the Muslim Brotherhood, or Sharia. Young people need to consider this long and hard, for there is coming a day of judgment. The US helped AL Queda in Bosnia and Syria, we fought in Iraq, and the result was Sharia, and the persecution of Christians, Obama is manifestly on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Syria. This is serious stuff! I don’t believe in “My country, right or wrong!”.

Rand Paul on Syria: I can’t see sending my son to fight on the same side as al Qaeda

BY CHARLIE SPIERING | AUGUST 30, 2013 AT 8:40 AM 0 COMMENTS Share on print

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., sharply opposed American military action in Syria on Fox News Thursday night, demanding that President Obama get congressional approval should he choose to act.

“Without question Congress should vote on this and he is going against the Constitution and it will be an unlawful act if he actually takes military action without having Congress vote on the issue,” Paul explained, reminding Americans that the separation of powers intended by the founders was to prevent the United States from going to war for emotional reasons.

Paul said that Obama would probably decide against a Congressional vote to avoid a similar defeat as David Cameron did in British Parlimant.

“They won’t risk a vote because they are worried that they could be defeated,” he said. “It happened in the British Parliament – the American people are not excited about a new war.”

Paul also explained that he had difficulty seeing any American interests in the Syrian conflict.

“I can’t see fighting to impose Sharia law in Syria,” Paul said. “I can’t see sending my son to fight with Islamic rebels against Christians. I also can’t see my son going to fight on the same side as al Qaeda.”

Under Sharia law, Paul noted, Christians would be persecuted for blasphemy, citing a woman in Pakistan who was jailed for blasphemy after she drank from a cup shared by Muslim workers.

“That is not something I want to send our boys and girls to die for,” Paul added.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Worship
KEYWORDS: alqueda; endtimes; judgment; syria

1 posted on 08/30/2013 7:36:57 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

obama would save some face if he went to Congress. Then he can say, the blood be on you /Pilate

It may be his only option.


2 posted on 08/30/2013 7:52:06 AM PDT by HomeAtLast (Galt's Gulch: it isn't Valley Forge.)
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To: pastorbillrandles
IMAGINE ..... if there was a Republican in the Oval Office right now ....

Obama'sBush's Syria plans in disarray after Britain rejects use of force

SanFranNan: "The president led us into the IraqSyrian war on the basis of unproven assertions without evidence; he embraced a radical doctrine of pre-emptive war unprecedented in our history; and he failed to build a true international coalition [hell, there's no coalition at all, just him]," she added. "As a nation, we must show our greatness, not just our strength. America must be a light to the world, not just a missile."

Lying hypocritical bastards. democRATS suck.

3 posted on 08/30/2013 8:03:38 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: HomeAtLast
obama would save some face if he went to Congress

Only if Congress votes approval, which is iffy. On the other hand, suppose this operation goes bad, and some assets are lost--maybe to an anti-ship missile. Then, he will lose even more face than if he had gone to Congress in the first place.

4 posted on 08/30/2013 8:12:25 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

What I meant was, Congress will NOT approve, and thereby obama will save face. Obama’s on record saying chemical warfare is the line in the sand. Therefore he either has to send troops or find someone to blame when we don’t send them.

And you just know he doesn’t want to send them, because that would be putting them in harm’s way. That’s the Panetta Doctrine!


5 posted on 08/30/2013 8:15:58 AM PDT by HomeAtLast (Galt's Gulch: it isn't Valley Forge.)
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To: HomeAtLast
obama would save some face if he went to Congress.

His ego would not allow that.

6 posted on 08/30/2013 8:48:34 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (So Obama "inherited" a mess? Firemen "inherit" messes too. Ever see one put gasoline on it?)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; Lakeshark; xzins; nathanbedford
Perhaps a worthy distraction from 'NBC' threads ......

Why, for the sake of God's green (not al's version) earth, is this not being screamed at the top of their lungs by Boehner, McConnell ... or any GOP member of either house of Congress!

7 posted on 08/30/2013 8:49:20 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

...great question, but you prolly already know the answer.


8 posted on 08/30/2013 8:51:43 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: pastorbillrandles

This is serious stuff! I don’t believe in “My country, right or wrong!”.


I agree, and i think Sen Paul gets it on a lot of things.


9 posted on 08/30/2013 9:37:35 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Servant of the Cross

Why, for the sake of God’s green (not al’s version) earth, is this not being screamed at the top of their lungs by Boehner, McConnell ... or any GOP member of either house of Congress!


I am afraid it is because these people either believe Al,s version of the green earth or are afraid of those who do.


10 posted on 08/30/2013 9:43:18 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Servant of the Cross
As the Middle East has started to unravel, literally going up in flames, my comment to friends for about a month has been "Our decision to fund the Muslim Brotherhood for the past few years, I mean, what could possibly go wrong?"

My lib friends and acqaintences always look like they want to hide or, alternatively, like they want to shoot me........

11 posted on 08/30/2013 9:53:34 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Servant of the Cross



The Muslims are guilty of the chemical attack, not the Christians, and the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF knows it.
But the ARAB-KENYANand MUSLIM defiling the Oval Office doesn't care.
Barack Hussein Obama II, (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro) just want to turn Syria into another Muslim Brotherhood run country, and kill Christians.
It's just that simple!

12 posted on 08/30/2013 9:55:12 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: pastorbillrandles; P-Marlowe

Hi, Bill. I agree with Rand Paul up to a point.

I certainly don’t want to advance the cause of Al Qaeda.

But, I have no problem with identifying and destroying any stockpiles of chemical/biological weapons.

We would need to identify said stockpiles, and we’d have to run an operation to take them out.

That would not benefit either al Qaeda or assad. In fact, it would injure them and deprive both of them of access to such weapons.

It need be only a retaliatory strike. I don’t care anything about repairing any damage to Syria after said attacks.

AND, I think it serves a security objective of the USA.

So, Assad al Qaeda, I’m hawkish in my isolationism. Threaten me in any way, and I’m in favor of cutting you off at the knees.


13 posted on 08/30/2013 12:26:41 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
AND, I think it serves a security objective of the USA.

How so?

14 posted on 08/30/2013 12:29:08 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: xzins

I agree with you but offer two counterpoints;
1) Our CIC consistently sides with the Muslim Brotherhood, I think his real “Redline” is when they are in trouble.We have literally advantaged the MB in Egypt and Libya, and In Iraq, our troops were sent to avenge 9-11,(I would support that), but with “mission creep” they bled and died to erect a Sharia nation? This is an outrage! So too Afghanistan! God help us!
2) These are the very hypocrites who fried George Bush for going into Iraq for the same reason,(WMDs), in fact these may be the very WMDs that they fried Bush for not finding.
but in the final analysis, I am all about a foreign policy whch serves Americas interests, cutting of the vicious terrorists at the knees wherever possible, I just don’t have confidence on this dangerous and irresponsible, and unaccountable CIC.

ps thank you for your service.


15 posted on 08/30/2013 1:24:18 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (, but you are right about the mood, tense)
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To: HomeAtLast

This is either being done so Obama doesn’t look so leaderless to the world after drawing his red line in the sand like a petulant child; or he’s doing it because he really believes in Sharia law and that goes back to the original concern about him: does it matter that he is a Muslim. Apparently it may.


16 posted on 08/30/2013 1:33:05 PM PDT by lazlohollyfeld
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To: dfwgator; pastorbillrandles

Destroying Syria’s chemical/biological weapons stocks serves the US security interest by depriving that enemy of that weapons system.

First, it prevents the possibility of micro-delivery systems being brought by individual terrorists to the USA and being used in some large crowd venue.

Second, it denies access to such weaponry in any potential conflict with US allies such as Israel.

I want neither Assad nor Al Qaeda to have those weapons.


17 posted on 08/30/2013 1:34:50 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Amen!!!!


18 posted on 08/30/2013 1:38:35 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (, but you are right about the mood, tense)
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To: xzins; pastorbillrandles

If Obama launches a bunch of weapons of mass destruction, I.e., cruise missiles, this will give Putin the opportunity to test the resolve of Obama. Strategically I could see him launching a strike against one of our submarines or cruisers that launched the missiles and then threatening a tactical nuclear strike if Obama tries to retaliate.

The fact is that neither Russia or China or Iran are the least bit afraid of what Obama would do if backed into a corner.

You will note I am using the term “Obama” rather than the United States because I do not consider the acts of Obama to be the acts of the United States. Unfortunately a lot of brave Americans may be killed if Obama overplays his hand.


19 posted on 08/30/2013 2:17:50 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe; dfwgator; pastorbillrandles

My intention is simply to describe what I believe to be a national security issue in this Syrian affair. While I agree with those who have no confidence in Obama to do anything well, right, or for the right motives, I still think destroying Syria’s WMDs, chemical and biological, to be in the US security interest. It will deny those weapons to both Assad and Al Qaeda.

This is the exact same reason I supported the initial effort into Iraq by President GW Bush, I still think it was a right motive, and personally, I think those WMDs, for the most part, were moved.

Even at that time, I didn’t want to nation build in Iraq. I was fine with kicking ass, breaking things, and deposing a government. The same with Afghanistan. Whereas, Pres GW Bush did nothing illegal pushing for a policy of nation-building, it was a doomed policy from the beginning, because Islam is NOT a religion of peace.

So, for Syria, I would locate their WMDs, destroy them, destroy whatever I could of those capable of producing more, and then I’d leave with fire and smoke lighting the sky.

Syria can rebuild itself.


20 posted on 08/30/2013 2:35:49 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Obama has not made the case for destroying alleged weapons of mass destruction. His rhetoric at this point has been retaliation and teaching Syria a lesson.

If they can identify and locate poison gas or chemical weapons storehouses, then we should have taken them out already.

If Syria has these weapons he got them from Saddam. Therefore we need no justification whatsoever to take them out. This would fall under the congressional authorization for the war with Iraq.

Obama doesn’t have a clue how to play a tactical war game that you buy at Wal mart. He has no business being the commander in chief.


21 posted on 08/30/2013 2:44:02 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe; pastorbillrandles

I agree that Obama is no commander in chief. Sadly, long before he’d run an operation to destroy wmds, he’d probably inform al Qaeda where any wmds were so they’d become al Qaeda property. That’s my assessment of his ultimate loyalties.

None of this changes the reality that destroying any wmds would be in the national security interest. I’m convinced a President Cruz would understand that. I’m not convinced a President Paul would. While Paul’s stand would be principled, it would be wrong.


22 posted on 08/30/2013 2:51:17 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

You know what they say, “You break it, you bought it.”


23 posted on 08/30/2013 3:26:33 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: xzins

I agree.I am not in support of Paul, he just happened to be right about the US supporting bad people in the middle east.I would love A Cruz presidency.


24 posted on 08/30/2013 3:32:24 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (, but you are right about the mood, tense)
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To: HomeAtLast

-——obama would save some face if he went to Congress. Then he can say, the blood be on you /Pilate-——

Never happen..... His ego is far too massive....

-——It may be his only option.——

Since he thinks he is king.... His options are endless at least in his mind....

His only concern is whatever he does... It cannot hurt the dems chance to win the house in 2014...


25 posted on 08/30/2013 3:44:18 PM PDT by JZoback
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To: xzins

I agree with you about eliminating the weapons. But I want them preserved and brought here for examination first. I don’t want them destroyed in place (and with them, the evidence).

Why? Because I want to know exactly where they came from. If they were made locally and recently, fine. But if it turns out they came from Iraq, I want to see every bastid who hollered “Bush lied, people died!” hung from the lampposts.

The problem with all of that is, I don’t want to put a single life at risk to recover them. I heard somebody write this earlier today: A few cruise missiles or even a B2 raid aren’t going to impress people who have been shooting and bombing each other for years.


26 posted on 08/30/2013 4:02:39 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Uncle Miltie: Obama poisoned race relations for a generation. Everything is racial now.)
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To: xzins
I want neither Assad nor Al Qaeda to have those weapons.

Let's face it, we don't want our own government to have those weapons. I don't care who's the "President," I don't trust them to not use them on us. If we get our hands on the ones in Syria, I want them destroyed as soon as we've documented them. Do a CSI on them, if you will.

27 posted on 08/30/2013 4:07:54 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Uncle Miltie: Obama poisoned race relations for a generation. Everything is racial now.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

But if it turns out they came from Iraq, I want to see every bastid who hollered “Bush lied, people died!” hung from the lampposts.


I look at it kind of the same way, but if that is what they find which would not surprise me at all they will probably just cover it up so we will never know.


28 posted on 08/30/2013 5:34:06 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: dfwgator

Staying in a country is a choice. Staying in a middle eastern country trying to perfect it is a stupid choice.


29 posted on 08/30/2013 5:46:23 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: pastorbillrandles

DEFUND OBAMACARE

Press Release of Senator Cruz

NEWSLETTER: The News with Sen. Cruz - August 6, 2013

Contact: press@cruz.senate.gov / (202) 228-7561
Tuesday, August 6, 2013

Greetings,

Last week marked the one-year anniversary of my victory in the Texas Republican Primary for the United States Senate. That victory was made possible because a grassroots army of thousands of activists across Texas saw that the country was in trouble and stepped forward to fix it. Because of that amazing effort, I’m honored to fight for 26 million Texans each and every day in the Senate.

Now we need to do it again — but this time on a national scale. This September, Congress will have the opportunity to defund Obamacare, but it will only happen if the American people rise up and demand it. Please keep reading below to find out how we can stop Obamacare and for an update on the latest in Washington — then share this latest newsletter with your Facebook friends and Twitter followers.

All the best,

TC Sig
Ted Cruz

Read more at Press Release of Senator Cruz

NEWSLETTER: The News with Sen. Cruz - August 6, 2013

Contact: press@cruz.senate.gov / (202) 228-7561
Tuesday, August 6, 2013

Greetings,

Last week marked the one-year anniversary of my victory in the Texas Republican Primary for the United States Senate. That victory was made possible because a grassroots army of thousands of activists across Texas saw that the country was in trouble and stepped forward to fix it. Because of that amazing effort, I’m honored to fight for 26 million Texans each and every day in the Senate.

Now we need to do it again — but this time on a national scale. This September, Congress will have the opportunity to defund Obamacare, but it will only happen if the American people rise up and demand it. Please keep reading below to find out how we can stop Obamacare and for an update on the latest in Washington — then share this latest newsletter with your Facebook friends and Twitter followers.

All the best,

TC Sig
Ted Cruz
Read more at Press Release of Senator Cruz

NEWSLETTER: The News with Sen. Cruz - August 6, 2013

Contact: press@cruz.senate.gov / (202) 228-7561
Tuesday, August 6, 2013

Greetings,

Last week marked the one-year anniversary of my victory in the Texas Republican Primary for the United States Senate. That victory was made possible because a grassroots army of thousands of activists across Texas saw that the country was in trouble and stepped forward to fix it. Because of that amazing effort, I’m honored to fight for 26 million Texans each and every day in the Senate.

Now we need to do it again — but this time on a national scale. This September, Congress will have the opportunity to defund Obamacare, but it will only happen if the American people rise up and demand it. Please keep reading below to find out how we can stop Obamacare and for an update on the latest in Washington — then share this latest newsletter with your Facebook friends and Twitter followers.

All the best,

TC Sig
Ted Cruz
read more and watch the video at
http://www.cruz.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=345513


30 posted on 08/30/2013 6:26:01 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

Correct. That would be just a little more difficult if we got the hardware in our hands.


31 posted on 08/30/2013 9:18:25 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Uncle Miltie: Obama poisoned race relations for a generation. Everything is racial now.)
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To: xzins

Taking out chemical weapon stockpiles cant be done via air power alone


32 posted on 08/30/2013 9:25:22 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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