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Catholic priests to advocate for immigration reform during Sunday services
NJ.com ^ | September 5, 2013 | Rev. Alexander Santora

Posted on 09/05/2013 5:59:33 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

The plight of the some 11 million undocumented in the U.S. has prompted the U.S. Catholic Bishops to mount a campaign for immigration reform this Sunday. Building on their long tradition of supporting and protecting immigrants, large Catholic dioceses like New York and Los Angeles -- meccas for immigrants throughout U.S. history -- will join others like Newark to preach and enlist the support of the people in the pew to advocate for reform.

Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI struck that chord when he addressed the bishops of the United States in 2012: "With great generosity continue to welcome waves of new immigrants, to provide them with pastoral care and charitable assistance, and to support ways of regularizing their situation, especially with regard to the unification of families. A particular sign of this is the long-standing commitment of the American Bishops to immigration reform."

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Manasquan borough council did everything it could to prevent the men from gathering when the gatherings first started. Each time, federal law trumped local xenophobia and they threw in the towel because all their local laws and litigation would simply waste resources. But the hatred some residents had for these undocumented was chronicled in the weekly newspaper for months.

I have noticed that the men are orderly, do not congregate in groups of more than six or eight and bother no one. They do not make noise, litter or call attention to themselves except when a pick-up truck pulls in the lot. Throughout the U.S., businesses cannot attract the laborers to do the kinds of work these men want to do. We need to reform immigration laws so these men can get hired, pay taxes and further boost the economy.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Politics; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; illegalimmigration
The plight of the some 11 million undocumented in the U.S. has prompted the U.S. Catholic Bishops to mount a campaign for immigration reform this Sunday. Building on their long tradition of supporting and protecting immigrants, large Catholic dioceses like New York and Los Angeles -- meccas for immigrants throughout U.S. history -- will join others like Newark to preach and enlist the support of the people in the pew to advocate for reform.

Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI struck that chord when he addressed the bishops of the United States in 2012: "With great generosity continue to welcome waves of new immigrants, to provide them with pastoral care and charitable assistance, and to support ways of regularizing their situation, especially with regard to the unification of families. A particular sign of this is the long-standing commitment of the American Bishops to immigration reform."

1 posted on 09/05/2013 5:59:33 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Quick - all you Catholics who are conservatives need to shovel them a bunch more money!


2 posted on 09/05/2013 6:02:09 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Slump Tester

Actually we need to slip a note in the collection basket. “Contribution Withheld due to your support for lawlessness”.


3 posted on 09/05/2013 6:09:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Slump Tester
Send all illegals to Vatican City and let's see how generous and loving things turn out to be. I have empathy for the illegals that need to feed their families and try and show a better live to their children, but like the 10 Commandments, the U.S.has laws that must be followed or there will be repercussions
4 posted on 09/05/2013 6:11:06 AM PDT by shadeaud (Stay Thirsty My Friends)
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To: Alex Murphy
We need to reform immigration laws so these men can get hired, pay taxes and further boost the economy.
BS. First of all, didn't we do that when that great conservative, Ronald Reagan, signed the last amnesty bill into law?
Second, they could have stayed in Mexico if they only wanted to pay taxes and "boost the economy."
Third, they're really only here for the freebies.
5 posted on 09/05/2013 6:11:09 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

They (the bishops) could cite the Bible which speaks about the need to care for the “stranger”.


6 posted on 09/05/2013 6:11:59 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

They could also cite the Bible which speakes about what happens to those who “break” the law...!


8 posted on 09/05/2013 6:15:22 AM PDT by swampfox101 (l)
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To: Alex Murphy
What about the plight of these people in the countries they came from?
What horrible conditions did the flee from to come here?
Protest THAT! Not the country they are running TO.

9 posted on 09/05/2013 6:16:05 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: BitWielder1

BINGO! We have a WINNER!


10 posted on 09/05/2013 6:17:14 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Slump Tester

There are catholic conservatives who disagree with the vatican on this issue. I am one of them. The RCC’s stance on immigrations is not dogma and one can still be a catholic of good standing disagree.

Having a lawful immigration policy where people become citizens through a naturalization process where they learn about the USA...can prove proficiency of English and become valuable members of American society is a good, kind and generous thing.

Encouraging people of any nation to enter the country illegally is promoting the theft ( there is a commandment against this if I remember correctly:) of the hard earned resources of others with no desire to contribute to the greater good. The United States cannot feed, clothe and shelter 100 percent of the world’s population on the backs of 1 percent of the American tax payers.

Why the vatican doesn’t understand this, I am not sure, but I suspect it is grounded in the fear of not being able to fill the pews.


11 posted on 09/05/2013 6:22:42 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Biggirl; Buckeye McFrog
They (the bishops) could cite the Bible which speaks about the need to care for the “stranger”.

....if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him.
The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
-- Leviticus 19: 33-34
The "do not mistreat him" verse governs the behavior of the (existing) residents of the land. Mosaic Law applied to anyone and everyone that occupied land within Israel's borders. So once our theoretical stranger "dwells with you in your land" i.e. sets foot inside your borders (legally or illegally), the residents were not to mistreat him, but the stranger was now subject to the Mosaic Laws (including any that might govern citizenship and government handouts), just as the resident was subject to them. And the "stranger within the gates" would be expected to learn and know those laws for himself....
...when all Israel comes to appear before the LORD your God in the place which He chooses, you shall read this law before all Israel in their hearing.
Gather the people together, men and women and little ones, and the stranger who is within your gates, that they may hear and that they may learn to fear the LORD your God and carefully observe all the words of this law,
and that their children, who have not known it, may hear and learn to fear the LORD your God as long as you live in the land which you cross the Jordan to possess.”
-- Deuteronomy 31:11-13
So the question that immigration reform advocates need to answer is what constitutes "love your neighbor" behavior when confronted with a lawbreaking stranger within your gates?
12 posted on 09/05/2013 6:31:26 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Alex Murphy

(rewritten slightly for clarity)

“The plight of the some 11 million Mexican citizens who came uninvited and unwanted to the U.S. has prompted the U.S. Catholic Bishops to mount a campaign to encourage people from other countries to move to the U.S. as well, though uninvited and unwanted, this Sunday.

“Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI struck that chord when he addressed the bishops of the United States in 2012: “With the great generosity provided by others, we continue to welcome waves of economic parasites from other countries, to provide them with pastoral care and charitable assistance, and to support their sapping of the wealth of this prosperous country.”

Implied is that the wealth of Americans is so great they should be forced to surrender it to the five billion starving people of the world who live under governments indifferent to their well being. It is better that Americans lose their wealth and prosperity than that these people change their home nations so that they too could lead prosperous lives of their own making.

But what is not suggested is that “if man ‘A’ wishes to take from man ‘B’ to improve the life of man ‘C’, then man ‘A’ is a S.O.B.”


13 posted on 09/05/2013 6:43:52 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Implied is that the wealth of Americans is so great they should be forced to surrender it to the five billion starving people of the world who live under governments indifferent to their well being. It is better that Americans lose their wealth and prosperity than that these people change their home nations so that they too could lead prosperous lives of their own making.

Well said.

14 posted on 09/05/2013 6:45:51 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Excellent.


15 posted on 09/05/2013 6:48:34 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: Biggirl

I agree with caring for the stranger. Nobody is advocating that illegal immigrants be abused in any way.

Feed them. Give them a hot shower and a warm bed. Then put them on a bus and send them home. Tell them to get in line and apply to come legally like everybody else.

If you or I went to one of these vaunted liberal European countries illegally that is EXACTLY what they would do.


16 posted on 09/05/2013 6:51:13 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Alex Murphy

Everyone in the U. S. other than native Americans are immigrants.

What ancestry is yours?

Remember the signs?

CATHOLICS NEED NOT APPLY
IRISH NEED NOT APPLY
ITALIANS NEED NOT APPLY


17 posted on 09/05/2013 6:55:56 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

This is comming from the same Bishops who supported ACORN. Some say they still fund abortion. True Catholics will withhold money from the Bishops Appeal as I have for years.


18 posted on 09/05/2013 6:57:47 AM PDT by paguch
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To: paguch

Members of my family have fought running battles for many years to keep their parishes from participating in Saul Alinsky inspired community organizing efforts. Too many priests are soft-hearted yet clueless.


19 posted on 09/05/2013 7:00:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Salvation
Everyone in the U. S. other than native Americans are immigrants.

Them too. Walked across the land bridge from Asia at the Bering Strait 15,000 years ago by most estimates.


20 posted on 09/05/2013 7:02:23 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

A fact I overlooked.


21 posted on 09/05/2013 7:16:20 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: paguch

What makes you think that Bishops support abortion?


22 posted on 09/05/2013 7:18:45 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Walked across the land bridge from Asia at the Bering Strait 15,000 years ago by most estimates.

Our earliest ancestors fled east from the Garden of Eden even before that.

23 posted on 09/05/2013 7:19:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I am just saying what the bishops will end up saying.


24 posted on 09/05/2013 7:41:15 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Salvation
My wife's family is, with a couple of exceptions since the fifties, all Cherokee back as far as anyone can find any records. Her grandfather used to say Cherokee knew they were special because for them the signs read, "Indians need not survive".

He figured a lot of people felt the same way about the Irish and Italians but being that honest about Europeans wasn't conside4ed polite.

25 posted on 09/05/2013 8:11:12 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Salvation

Anyone who doesn’t think there are pro-abortion bishops and priests is just living in fantasy.

Then there are the many more bishops and priests who just don’t think abortion is important. The “Seamless Garment” was invented to give rhetorical cover for these lifelong Democrats, for whom abortion is one of a dozen “life issues”—and it’s at the bottom of the list.

In my book, bishops and priests who are campaigning for more immigrant citizens and voters are campaigning for abortion—because immigrants vote 70-80% for pro-abortion politicians.


26 posted on 09/05/2013 8:19:35 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m happy being a practical practicing Traditional Catholic!

The business of Christ’s Church is to save souls and prepare youngsters to lead a life pleasing to God and pleasing to them. They won’t have to grimace as they look into the mirror each morning.

Illegal immigrants belong in the country they slipped out of. They are trespassers and, as such, deserve to be kicked out of this nation. We can’t even defend America, but yet get concerned about a civil war in another country!

American Novus Ordo Churches need to tend to their main purpose: save souls of the nation in which your church is located. No wonder the new religion, invented subsequent to Vatican II, is faltering.

America has a community organizer for a president and the New Catholic Church has a pope who does about the same thing.


28 posted on 09/05/2013 8:48:02 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m torn. The Catholic part of me wants to welcome the stranger. But a few years ago I was working a temp job. My last day I was working in an area with some Mexicans who were doing drywall. Only one of the 6, the leader, spoke English. The day after I was laid off, I admit I thought: “Most of them probably aren’t in the country legally, but they have a job today and I don’t.” It was kind of grating. Another time I was laid off from a temp job by a Mexican who had trouble with English.

I remember one day on the Laura Ingraham show, a caller from Alabama said a number of Americans were laid off from jobs as their sup said to them: “The Mexicans are here.” The sup tried to walk this back but the cat was out of the bag. The Americans wanted a decent wage and some benefits, the Mexicans didn’t. It’s just not true that immigrants take only jobs that aren’t wanted, as the intelligentsia say.


29 posted on 09/05/2013 9:23:19 AM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: Salvation
Everyone in the U. S. other than native Americans are immigrants.

No they were British citizens on British soil, and then they they created the greatest nation in history, the United States, they didn't "immigrate" to it.

America then allowed immigrants.

30 posted on 09/05/2013 9:25:36 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Libertarians, the left's social agenda with conservatism's economics, which is impossible of course)
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To: MDLION
I’m torn. The Catholic part of me wants to welcome the stranger.

Believe me, you still can (and should). But I would encourage you to read post #12 for additional information.

31 posted on 09/05/2013 9:32:54 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: oh8eleven
Third, they're really only here for the freebies.

Some are. Many are not. Otherwise why would they bother to line up as day laborers? Welfare pays better than work in a lot of states.

Build the WALL, then we can discuss who stays and who goes. Until entry "no con permiso" is darned near impossible, nothing will be solved.

32 posted on 09/05/2013 12:36:41 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Salvation
Everyone in the U. S. other than native Americans are immigrants.
Horse hockey. I was born here - I'm as "native American" as they are.
What you mean is that we are all descendants of immigrants ... and that includes "Native" Americans.
33 posted on 09/05/2013 12:44:18 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Salvation
Dear Salvation,

Sorry, no, I was born in the United States. I’m a native of the United States of America.

If you disagree, please tell me of which country I’m native-born.

At over one million LEGAL immigrants per year, the United States takes in more LEGAL immigrants than all other countries in the world combined.

Why would anyone assert that we have any obligation whatsoever to permit even MORE folks in, especially folks who break our laws by immigrating to our country?

Catholics who support illegal immigration commit gravely immoral acts. This includes the bishops and priests.

Catholics who support the bishops and the priests in their call to grave immorality are themselves committing gravely immoral acts.


sitetest

34 posted on 09/05/2013 12:59:44 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Salvation

You can’t have open borders AND a welfare state.


35 posted on 09/05/2013 1:49:12 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Don't blame me for McCain.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Implied is that the wealth of Americans is so great they should be forced to surrender it to the five billion starving people of the world who live under governments indifferent to their well being. It is better that Americans lose their wealth and prosperity than that these people change their home nations so that they too could lead prosperous lives of their own making.

The main goal is not to help the poor permanently. The purpose is to get the developed world to abandon its wealth. Once you understand that, it become more clear.

The Church believes that modern wealth and material comforts have lead people away from religion. Socialism is a tool to destroy the prosperity of the world. When nearly everyone is as poor and as miserable as a medieval European peasant, then the Church believes people will return to religion and achieve eternal salvation.

36 posted on 09/05/2013 2:15:54 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP; CynicalBear; metmom

Replace the word “Church” with any political socialist/fascist/communist party word, and the article remains truthful to the desires of all these, including the RCC’s aims. After all, the RCC is nothing more than a political system that uses “religion” as its home-free base.


37 posted on 09/05/2013 2:18:59 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: Biggirl
They (the bishops) could cite the Bible which speaks about the need to care for the “stranger”.

They could site the Bible that also says this....

Matthew 22:21 They said, “Caesar's.” Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”

2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.

1 Timothy 5:8 But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Ephesians 4:28 Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need.

Romans 13:1-7 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good.

But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

38 posted on 09/05/2013 3:03:51 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Salvation
Everyone in the U. S. other than native Americans are immigrants.

Yup, and NOT illegally.

I don't see anyone opposing immigrants, only illegals.

If you're willing to support illegals, do it yourself. Don't decide for me that I must do that because YOU want to.

39 posted on 09/05/2013 3:07:27 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Salvation

There is a huge difference between immigrant and illegal alien invader


40 posted on 09/05/2013 3:08:20 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: metmom
Perhaps you should take a peek this thread: Vatican readmits leftist thinking.
41 posted on 09/05/2013 3:09:25 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Alex Murphy

Thanks. I was misinterpreting that Scripture. When Blessed John XXIII taught on this issue a half century ago, he said nations have a right to protect their boundaries and sovereignty. This seems more like the conservative position. It seems that the last three popes and the U.S bishops have taken a more liberal view.


42 posted on 09/06/2013 11:18:59 AM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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