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Vatican readmits leftist thinking
The Times (Australian) ^ | September 6, 2013 | James Bone

Posted on 09/05/2013 12:53:52 PM PDT by beaversmom

THE Vatican has begun a historic move to rehabilitate the leftist Catholic movement known as “liberation theology” as the Pope refocuses the church on the poor.

L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican’s official newspaper, devoted its centre spread to defending the virtues of liberation theology, which had been anathema since the Cold War.

“With a Latin American Pope, liberation theology could not remain for long in the shadows to which it has been relegated for some years, at least in Europe,” wrote Ugo Sartorio, a priest and editor of a Catholic magazine.

Father Sartorio even argued in his piece yesterday that, while serving as archbishop of Buenos Aires, the Pope had been an exponent of the Argentine version of liberation theology.

For decades, liberation theologians in Latin America, deeply critical of the church hierarchy’s ties to military dictatorships, were denounced as Marxist by the vehemently anti-communist Polish pope, John Paul II.

He was succeeded by his conservative doctrinal enforcer, the German cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who was nicknamed “God’s rottweiler”.

Under its first Latin American pope, however, the Vatican is recognising the strengths of the movement that gave priority to the poor. Francis has eschewed the pomp of the papacy — refusing to wear red papal slippers and insisting on living in the Vatican guesthouse rather than the luxurious papal apartment overlooking St Peter’s Square.

The first pope to take the name of St Francis of Assisi has proclaimed that he wants “a poor church for the poor”. This outreach comes as the Catholic Church is confronting sex and money scandals and suffering a loss of many faithful to evangelical churches.

Francis is understood to be writing a new encyclical on poverty, to be titled Beati Pauperes, or Blessed are the Poor.

A new biography, by Paul Vallely, reports that the Pope has secretly been taking advice from the left-wing Brazilian theorist Leonardo Boff, a leading proponent of liberation theology.

Francis has also unblocked moves to canonise Oscar Romero, the archbishop of San Salvador who was shot dead at the altar after condemning violence by the military in El Salvador. He is considered a hero by liberation theologians.

Francis has just appointed the Papal Nuncio in Venezuela, Pietro Parolin, as his new Secretary of State, the Vatican’s equivalent of prime minister.

In an interview with the pro-government Venezuelan newspaper Ultimas Noticias, before he was named, Archbishop Parolin gave a careful endorsement of liberation theology. “On liberation theology, and I say this with all my heart . . . things are much clearer now,” he said.

“The church has a preferential option for the poor . . . But it’s also always clarified that it’s not an exclusive option, or one that excludes anyone. The church must not assume Marxist categories, or class struggle.”

The occasion of this week’s double-page spread in the official Vatican newspaper was the publication of an Italian translation of a 2004 book co-written by the father of liberation theology and a German theologian who is now the Vatican’s doctrinal chief.

Gerhard Ludwig Muller was appointed by Benedict XVI last year to his former post as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican’s chief ideologist. The German bishop and professor was not only close to the German pope, but also a lifelong friend of the Peruvian theologian Gustavo Gutierrez, who coined the term “liberation theology”.

The two will present their book, On the Side of the Poor, at a festival in Mantua, Italy.

“This new Pope is supporting a fresh look at the situation of the poor all over the world,” said Marco Politi, an author of books on the Vatican. “What is coming is this ‘people’s theology’, which seems very much about the poor and the rift between the poor and the rich.”


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1 posted on 09/05/2013 12:53:52 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom
L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican’s official newspaper, devoted its centre spread to defending the virtues of liberation theology, which had been anathema since the Cold War. “With a Latin American Pope, liberation theology could not remain for long in the shadows to which it has been relegated for some years, at least in Europe,” wrote Ugo Sartorio, a priest and editor of a Catholic magazine. Father Sartorio even argued in his piece yesterday that, while serving as archbishop of Buenos Aires, the Pope had been an exponent of the Argentine version of liberation theology.

Oh, this should be good.

popcorn

2 posted on 09/05/2013 12:58:41 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Oh, this should be good.

Oh, no it's not. It's like thinking watching a train wreck is great entertainment, except that not only does does the train take out your car and house, it also takes out the water and power for your area, and lets loose car loads of illegal aliens and other ne'er-do-wells free to loot and pillage, not to mention giving the powers that be yet another excuse to not only increase taxes, but impose new ones as well, effectively enslaving a formerly free country on the basis of a failed and false morality.

3 posted on 09/05/2013 1:17:39 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: beaversmom
to rehabilitate the leftist Catholic movement known as “liberation theology”

Altruism and a formal economic policy of using force and aggression to take from the rich and give to the poor the unearned, the undeserved, and something for nothing will end up making things worse for the poor in the long run.

Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan are the models of what nations need to do to cure poverty. They must start with a pro-business environment combined with austerity. Everyone must save rather than consume and use the savings to begin the process of capital accumulation.In addition to capital accumulation, there must be respect for private property, a rational culture, and technological progress.These requirements are the exact opposite of the marxism and socialism of liberation theology.

4 posted on 09/05/2013 1:20:26 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: beaversmom

So, how much of this is true and how much is just journalistic bomb throwing?


5 posted on 09/05/2013 1:21:45 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: mjp

Hate to say it, but Japan ain’t much of a model any more. Their deficit problems are worse than ours!


6 posted on 09/05/2013 1:22:42 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Calvin Locke
It's like thinking watching a train wreck is great entertainment, except that not only does does the train take out your car and house, it also takes out the water and power for your area, and lets loose car loads of illegal aliens and other ne'er-do-wells free to loot and pillage, not to mention giving the powers that be yet another excuse to not only increase taxes, but impose new ones as well, effectively enslaving a formerly free country on the basis of a failed and false morality.

To quote John Bigboote

"It's not my planet. Understand, monkeyboy?"

7 posted on 09/05/2013 1:23:33 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: beaversmom

If he`s really serious, Pope Francis should do an Anthony Quinn-
“Shoes of the Fisherman”
“ the Pope cedes all the church holdings to the poor and resumes the church’s mission in poverty...” NY times, 2010

Virtue Talks, BS Walks


8 posted on 09/05/2013 1:25:13 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: beaversmom

Let the Catholic church divest itself of its holdings in Rome and give it all to the poor. Talk is cheap.


9 posted on 09/05/2013 1:35:50 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Alex Murphy
"It's not my planet. Understand, monkeyboy?"

Perhaps, but when it's sined, seeled, and delivered, don't blame me when they come for your guns and money because some people insist on shooting themselves in their own feet.

10 posted on 09/05/2013 1:39:14 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: beaversmom

“The church has a preferential option for the poor . . . But it’s also always clarified that it’s not an exclusive option, or one that excludes anyone. The church must not assume Marxist categories, or class struggle.”


Yet Liberation Theology, at its heart, is all about class struggle and Marxism. It is not legitimate theology even, it is simply Marxism disguised by a thin veneer that imitates theology. So, you can’t advocate for that and still denounce Marxism. You can’t serve two masters.


11 posted on 09/05/2013 1:47:00 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: txrefugee

Sounds like a certain former apostle’s suggestion.


12 posted on 09/05/2013 1:51:56 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: beaversmom

Archbishop Muller co-authors a book with Gustavo Gutierrez

Above you see a photo from the launching of the book Taking the Side of the Poor - Liberation Theology (An der Seit der Armen - Theologie der Berfewuing) co-authored by Dominican Fr. Gustavo Gutierrez and Bishop Gerhard Ludwig Muller. The event took place in Regensburg in 2004 and was promoted by Augsburg Sankt Ulrich Verlag.
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A479-Muller-3.htm

"Müller was also a pupil of Gustavo Gutiérrez, the “father” of Latin-American liberation theology, with whom he has a long and close friendship.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3047023/posts?page=6#6

Peace Made Between Müller and Gutiérrez. But Bergoglio Isn't Falling For It
Sandro Magister - ROME, September 5, 2013
http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1350589?eng=y

On the Charismatic Renewal Movement- Pope Francis

“At the end of the 70s, early 80s, I couldn’t see them. I once said they must confuse liturgical celebration with samba lessons! Then I got to know them better and I was won over. I saw the work that they did and I said mass for them in Buenos Aires every year. I think movements are necessary; they are a gift from the Holy Spirit. The Church is free; the Holy Spirit does what it wants.”
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/gmg-26831//pag/1/

13 posted on 09/05/2013 1:52:12 PM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: txrefugee

You sound like Judas Iscariot whining about the cost of spikenard.


14 posted on 09/05/2013 1:55:27 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: haffast

Is my take on this correct? The current Pope has a heart for the poor and wishes to see the Catholic Church help the poor. But he also understand the problems inherent in enforcing this vision through the hand of government. He may even believe that government is usually instrumental in oppressing the poor and that justice for the poor may involve economic liberty.

I have yet to hear him say that the solution to poverty is government spending.

Maybe it is wishful thinking but I hear a Pope who thinks it is our god given duty as Christian individuals and as a Christian church to help the poor. He does not seem to put his faith in the hands of government.


15 posted on 09/05/2013 2:09:07 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Alex Murphy

Based on this one must wonder if perhaps DU is the natural cyberhome for Roman Catholics? < /pondering>


16 posted on 09/05/2013 2:09:14 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: mjp

Altruism is essential to Christian character and culture, but if followed consistently, would never lead to “compulsory altruism,” as Christian selfishness is necessarily voluntary. Rand’s objectivism is that blind squirrel that has found a few good acorns, but missed some essential truth as well. It is not the true opposite/antidote for Marxism. It is a variant of Nietszchean theory, and if implemented as ruthlessly as Marxism typically is, would merely lead to a different kind of distopia. There is no substitute for the Kingdom of Heaven.


17 posted on 09/05/2013 2:09:23 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: beaversmom
“This new Pope is supporting a fresh look at the situation of the poor all over the world,” said Marco Politi, an author of books on the Vatican. “What is coming is this ‘people’s theology’, which seems very much about the poor and the rift between the poor and the rich.”

There is no room for God , the Gospel , the Bible with "peoples theology" . This is just ANOTHER FALSE GOSPEL pushed by busybodies that want to make sure to get their cut

The Bible says if you don't work you don't eat:
(2 Thessalonians 3:10) For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

(2 Thessalonians 3:11) For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

(2 Thessalonians 3:12) Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

THE GOSPEL - God's salvation plan for mankind
http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?42-God-s-Salvation-Plan-for-Mankind

18 posted on 09/05/2013 2:10:32 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

In most countries the government collects a tax for the Catholic Church from all Catholics in that country.

He is just looking to do it worldwide


19 posted on 09/05/2013 2:13:56 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: Gamecock
Based on this one must wonder if perhaps DU is the natural cyberhome for Roman Catholics? < /pondering>

Case in point: Bishops to the Left of Senate Dems on Immigration

20 posted on 09/05/2013 2:21:00 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: beaversmom
I suspected this as soon as I heard that a South American had become pope. Catholic Marxism is all the rage south of the boarder.

"Thou shalt not steal"

...unless you vote in a the government to do it for you -- then it's okay.

21 posted on 09/05/2013 2:26:14 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: beaversmom

The question that seems to hang in the air like a fading musical note is this:

Since Christ could perform miracles like causing an empty net to fill with fish, a great profit to the fishermen, or cause a fish to spit up a coin to pay taxes, why did he not spend more time curing poverty around the country? Israel certainly had enough poor people yet Jesus emphasis wasn’t on fund raisers or a ‘church of the poor’.


22 posted on 09/05/2013 2:27:07 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Correction: “Christian UNselfishness is necessarily voluntary.”


23 posted on 09/05/2013 2:32:36 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Gamecock; Alex Murphy

Yes, because Republicans can certainly win without Catholic votes. Or at least, they can honorably lose in a landslide without having to consort with the filthy Papist scum. /s


24 posted on 09/05/2013 2:35:29 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion; Alex Murphy
**Yes, because Republicans can certainly win without Catholic votes**

Seems the Dems have that vote locked up.

Obama wins with the Catholic vote

25 posted on 09/05/2013 2:45:18 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Campion
Once the immigrants are legalized and the left has a lock on power, the mask will come off and the persecution of the church will begin.

I won't shed a tear or lift a finger to help them at that point.

26 posted on 09/05/2013 2:48:50 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: Calvin Locke

Anything that helps people see truth is good. The “entertainment” value is a legitimate experience of joy that deception and delusion have taken a nasty hit. I have Catholic relatives who desperately need to connect these dots. Will they? I hope to God they do.


27 posted on 09/05/2013 2:50:14 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: count-your-change
The question that seems to hang in the air like a fading musical note is this: Since Christ could perform miracles like causing an empty net to fill with fish, a great profit to the fishermen, or cause a fish to spit up a coin to pay taxes, why did he not spend more time curing poverty around the country? Israel certainly had enough poor people yet Jesus emphasis wasn’t on fund raisers or a ‘church of the poor’.

The idolatry of charity is the god of most modern Christians.

Its no longer about eternal salvation, its about building a leftist utopia (their vision of heaven) on Earth.

28 posted on 09/05/2013 2:51:28 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: Campion; Gamecock
Yes, because Republicans can certainly win without Catholic votes

They're certainly not voting for conservative candidates!

LifeSiteNews recently reported the unsurprising findings of a poll commissioned by The Washington Post and ABC stating that a majority of American Catholics are in favor of abortion in “all or most cases.”
-- from the thread Why you shouldn’t blame the clergy that a majority of Catholics support abortion

The disagreement over Notre Dame and Obama is essentially the same as the disagreement among clashing American Catholic camps over the issue of the moral and legal status of abortion itself. In fact, 61 percent of the “attend less often” Catholics believe that abortion rights should be protected in all or most cases, as opposed to 30 percent (still an interesting number) among the “attend weekly” Catholics.
— from the thread Those consistently complex “Catholic voters”

They may call themselves Catholics, and they may even go to Mass, but when it comes to life choices they are virtually indistinguishable from everyone else in America. They don’t live radical Christianity out in any real sort of way. Their lives look just like the lives of their worldly neighbors. They don’t give any more than the average joe. They seem just as likely to divorce their spouses, have only 2.5 children as their non Catholic neighbors and they seem just as materialistic as everyone else. They attend church if they feel like it, but if there’s a weekend football game or the call of the beach house they’re just as likely to respond to that demand. When it comes to voting, they’ll vote as they wish according to wherever they get their opinions from–TV, the newspaper, the mass media–just like their neighbors. The one source they won’t consider when informing their vote is their priests and bishops.
— from the thread Catholic Vote?

Are Catholics now so “successfully” assimilated into American political life that they are without political impact—that there really is no such thing as a “Catholic vote”? Unfortunately enough, Catholics are largely indistinguishable from non-Catholics and, despite a few pundits, no, there really is no “Catholic vote.” This obvious conclusion—clear enough from the fact that the vote for the winning candidates in the last national election was approximately the same for Catholics and non-Catholics—has serious current implications....

....Compare two lists: According to the USCCB, the five most Catholic states, in population, are: Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and Connecticut. According to the American Life League, the states with the most pro-life legislation (i.e., inhibiting abortion in various ways) are: Oklahoma, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, Arkansas and Texas. This is a shocker. In short, there is no Catholic political impact in support of life in those states reportedly having the most Catholics. As Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia put it, after the 2008 election, “[w]e need to stop overcounting our numbers, our influence, our institutions, and our resources, because they are not real.”
— from the thread The Mythical Catholic Vote: The Harmful Consequences of Political Assimilation

According to Pew Research statistics, 23.9% of Americans are Catholics....Out of this very influential voter block came a Catholic majority which twice voted for Barack Obama. Understandably, voting for a Presidential candidate isn't a simple proposition, as candidates on both sides offer strengths and weaknesses. Yet, the Catholic decision to endorse Obama as President ratified the American Catholic movement as freely, and willfully, moving toward apostasy. If this sounds harsh, and overtly right wing, please feel free to dissect the political implications, and tell me where the apostasy, and idolatry, doesn't exist....Never before has a President overtly attacked religious freedom as has been instituted, as of the first of this month, in the HHS mandate. Gay marriage, moreover, has reached historical precedents through a left-radical push, endorsed by an administration which is overtly against established religious authority. And contraception, in Plan B, has become more than a moral issue, as it has been inculcated into a larger political battering ram, tearing down Constitutional and moral-ethical American Tradition.

Recapping, a majority of American Catholics have endorsed abortion, religious persecution, gay 'marriage,' contraception, and government tyranny.
-- from the thread Bringing a spiritual indictment against American Catholicism [don ye the asbestos suits]


29 posted on 09/05/2013 3:01:45 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Alex Murphy

30 posted on 09/05/2013 3:06:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: txrefugee; bunkerhill7
Very good. Sell all those multi-million-dollar hospitals and do something for the sick for a change!

Auction off ancient, consecrated church buildings --- to whom, a Saudi prince? --- so you can give the money to the zingari of Rome, and the Saudis can install minarets on a whitewashed Santa Maria de Trastevere?

Sell the land on which Vatican City sits --- an area smaller that NYC's Central Park --- and relocate the offices to, oh, I don't know, Lampedusa?

Tell me your proposals, please.

31 posted on 09/05/2013 3:09:45 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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To: Salvation
Mars Attacks
32 posted on 09/05/2013 3:11:45 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: ClaytonP

Checkbook Christianity? yep.


33 posted on 09/05/2013 3:14:36 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Alex Murphy

That’s BOOT-TAY not BOOT-E.


34 posted on 09/05/2013 3:24:13 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: FreedomNotSafety
At one time Christian charity took care of the majority of the poor along with aiding widows and orphans. Taxes were lower and government intervention wasn't justifiable on the grounds of helping the poor and weak.

Now people complain about taxes and government control but spout utter garbage whenever the Catholic Church says Catholics should get back to what they were doing when Christian charity helped keep government in check. It's not just the Catholic Church, either, any church that would start to advocate the sort of network the YMCA/YWCA once was would be similarly attacked.

Obviously people who want to attack Christians are going to attack them no matter what they do. Especially the folks who blather about "liquidate everything they have" who like the idea of there being no infrastructure for Christians to use in doing what Christ tells us to do.

35 posted on 09/05/2013 3:33:44 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: txrefugee

Let the Catholic church divest itself of its holdings in Rom.______________________________________________

Yeah, sure, let’s divest ourselves of many of the treasures of Western Civilizations. That’s a good idea.


36 posted on 09/05/2013 3:40:20 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: beaversmom

This is an unwholesome development. Let’s hope it’s not so. “Liberation Theology” is very Jeremiah Wright.


37 posted on 09/05/2013 3:44:39 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Rashputin
Now people complain about taxes and government control but spout utter garbage whenever the Catholic Church says Catholics should get back to what they were doing when Christian charity helped keep government in check. It's not just the Catholic Church, either, any church that would start to advocate the sort of network the YMCA/YWCA once was would be similarly attacked.

With the level of taxation and destruction of intact families that is impossible at this point.

The collapse is coming, and since the strong centralized government destroyed all the smaller institutions below it people are going to have nothing. No family, no charities, no freedom.

All of this because the Churches spent the last 100 years urging its flock to commit the sins of theft and envy.

While they may have materially helped the poor they destroyed the souls of the poor. Single motherhood, bastardy, and irresponsibility are subsidized while good behavior is punished.

The slick politicians that were willing to do the stealing were also the same ones who forced abortion and gay marriage on the culture..

When these Social Justice and Liberation Theology Christians meet there maker do you think "We only wanted to help the poor" is going to be sufficient excuse for the total destruction of society they are responsible for?

38 posted on 09/05/2013 3:46:15 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Sell the land on which Vatican City sits --- an area smaller that NYC's Central Park --- and relocate the offices to, oh, I don't know, Lampedusa?"

Lampedusa? That would be great! The pope could hang out with his brothers and work on his theology of Islam - Lite.

39 posted on 09/05/2013 3:51:40 PM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: ClaytonP
"All of this because the Churches spent the last 100 years urging its flock to commit the sins of theft and envy."

"Shrewd" money management advisers instructed millions of people on how to move their parents assets around so that as soon as they hit 65 their parents would be eligible for every possible benefit since, on paper, they were all but indigent. Was that "Churches" undermining society?

Millions of people who had no need for assistance made sure their kids got Pell grants so the kids would have more spending money while in college. Was that "Churches" undermining society?

Millions of people who complain about big government and high taxes spent the past fifty years supporting their "good democrat" every election because their "good democrat" brought home the pork to pay for local projects with Federal funds. Was that "Churches" undermining society?

That's just three examples out of dozens of similar examples of the real problem and they're all individual decisions not based on what "Churches" teach and not based on a Christian view of responsibility, family, and charity.

Blaming "Churches" is just another cop out to avoid looking in the mirror.

40 posted on 09/05/2013 4:19:58 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Blaming "Churches" is just another cop out to avoid looking in the mirror.

No it isn't. They rationalized theft and envy opening the floodgates.

Instead of repenting they won't even acknowledge what they have done.

Now at the 11th hour as the whole western world is about to collapse, they are pushing more of the same.

41 posted on 09/05/2013 4:25:00 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: Campion

Don’t the Papists vote in the majority for Dems anyway?


42 posted on 09/05/2013 5:25:03 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Sell off the art collection in the vatican and all the gold decorating the churches, especially in Spain, is enough ..

- The Northen California Catholic Hosital Building Fund has 3 billion dollar$ in its coffers since the 1980`s-

It never goes down-

They use the interest for building catholic hosptitals in northern California-

There hasn`t been a new catholic hospital built in Northern California since 1970.

I spoke with the head of the organization in the 1990`s.

Big money and church hospitals do not mix well at all. When Providence hospital needed money they were merged with a private hospital; they didn`t get a cent from this "fund:

There are crooks everywhere in the church.

When Our Lady of Angels Hospital needed money, same story- not a cent from this "fund"

I was the liason person for the Northern California Asian Catholic Community to the Chancery of the Oakland Diocese.

43 posted on 09/05/2013 5:48:03 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: haffast
"Liquidating Catholic institutions" ---
a powerful idea
to unite the Umma and
(a certain subset of)
FReepers.


Inshallah!

44 posted on 09/05/2013 6:45:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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To: Alex Murphy

What is that pictorial description of the Voris/CA feuding doing on this thread?


45 posted on 09/05/2013 8:30:22 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: beaversmom

there is a difference between supporting the poor and supporting a theology that replaces Jesus with a socialist state.

Here in the Philippines, the bishops are against the rich folks who have a monopoly on business and the government while stealing everything in sight. That is not quite the same thing as liberation theology....

Of course, what they don’t push is the idea of capitalism as the way to increase the wealth for the poor...so the up and coming middle class are often protestant: these churches stress personal responsibility and honesty...making jobs for the poor, not donating to the poor with the right hand while you accept bribes with the left hand.


46 posted on 09/05/2013 8:33:10 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: beaversmom

Uh huh

Fox is in the henhouse again


47 posted on 09/05/2013 8:35:18 PM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: Alex Murphy

Its all most unfortunste


48 posted on 09/05/2013 8:45:02 PM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: Rashputin

You are correct. So what does this Pope want?


49 posted on 09/06/2013 7:39:20 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: NotTallTex

Hey, they want us to divest ourselves of our culture, borders, language, and treasure. Turn about is fair play. I’d rather see the Vatican disappear than the US.


50 posted on 09/06/2013 8:12:09 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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