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To: NYer
End of matter.

Not quite!

8. ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THE CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA WAS DONE IN 1984 AND THAT THE "FALL OF COMMUNISM" PROVES THAT THE CONSECRATION WAS EFFECTIVE AND THAT RUSSIA IS NOW CONVERTING?

No, it is not true. We know it is not true because:

(1) On March 25, 1984, after the consecration of the world, Pope John Paul II said twice that Our Lady of Fatima's request for the consecration of Russia was not done.

(2) Soon after the attempted Consecration of 1984, which did not mention Russia or involve the participation of the world's bishops, Sister Lucia stated it was insufficient because it did not meet the requirements specified to her by Our Lady.

(3) Since 1984 the moral and spiritual state of the world has obviously grown far worse: In the past 14 years there have been 600 million abortions, and wars have broken out all over the world. Mercy-killing and homosexual acts have been "legalized". In Russia itself a new law has just been passed which discriminates against the Catholic Church and in favor of Islam, Buddhism, Judaism and the Orthodox churches which forcibly occupied Catholic parishes under the Communists. Thus it is clear Russia is not converted to the Catholic Faith as Our Lady of Fatima promised would happen if Her request was done.

(4) There have been very few conversions to Catholicism in Russia over the past fourteen years. In all of Russia today there are only 300,000 Catholics--much less than one percent of the Russian population. By comparison, after Our Lady appeared at Guadalupe, Mexico in the 16th Century, more than 7 million Mexicans converted from paganism to the Catholic Faith within nine years and Mexico became a Catholic country.

Anything else you wish to assert?

24 posted on 09/07/2013 12:55:16 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Anything else you wish to assert?

We are talking about Russia, not the world. Mary asked that Russia be consecrated. All the evil that sprang from that country has now infiltrated the rest of the world. However, in Russia, peace reigns; christianity has been restored; the government is encouraging its citizens to have children, etc.

I'll repeat: Sr. Lucia said John Paul II accomplished it. End of matter. We now need to focus our prayers for peace on the Middle East.

25 posted on 09/07/2013 1:26:22 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: ebb tide

In truth Russia is a Christian country now. Both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches are part of the family tree of the Christian.

Consecration was done by Blessed John Paul II in 1984. The subject is now CLOSED.


39 posted on 09/07/2013 4:39:15 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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