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Where Religion Went Wrong in America
New Oxford Review ^ | Aug 2013 | Anne Barbeau Gardiner

Posted on 09/06/2013 3:09:37 PM PDT by RBStealth

"Bad Religion: How We Became a Nation of Heretics":

In his latest book, Ross Douthat, a public intellectual and a Catholic, argues that “bad religion” poses a greater danger to our nation than does secularism. His book is divided into two parts: in the first he chronicles the decline of traditional Christianity since 1965; in the second he examines four heresies that have flourished since then.

(Excerpt) Read more at newoxfordreview.org ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: books; catholic; protestant; secular
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Good one. More like a queef, actually.


21 posted on 09/07/2013 3:49:19 PM PDT by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: sasportas
The Papacy is infallible, you know.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and you have very little knowledge, which makes you doubly dangerous because you think you know it all.

It's the smart people who have doubts.

22 posted on 09/07/2013 4:54:31 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

If you are referring to the Roman institution, one doesn’t have to “have very little knowledge” about it, the information is out there for anybody to see.


23 posted on 09/07/2013 6:52:56 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas
You spoke of "Papal infallibility" with total and deliberate ignorance of the fact that it only applies to Church doctrine when the pope is speaking ex Caqthedra.

Pretending it's some sort of parlor trick displays the intellectual integrity of a Jesse Jackson.

24 posted on 09/07/2013 9:46:37 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


25 posted on 09/07/2013 9:49:49 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: sasportas
The Papacy is infallible, you know.

So you believe that papal infallibility is a parlor trick, where the pope knows everything and you wouldn't want to play poker with him?

Your snyde sarcasm seems mighty personal.

27 posted on 09/08/2013 9:24:05 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; Religion Moderator

We just happen to be blessed with the very best Religion Moderator on God’s Creation. If you can’t abide by our RM, please stay off our Religion Forum. In the meanwhile, please keep your personal “snyde” remarks to yourself.


28 posted on 09/08/2013 11:05:23 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; Religion Moderator
The doctrine of Papal infallibility only applies when the pope speaks ex Cathedra about Church doctrine.

I find it highly offensive when someone makes an ignorant, sarcastic remark about papal infallibility. The fact that it is on a moderated religion forum makes it even more offensive because you and the moderator appear to share the same view.

If you want to ban me for this, please do.

29 posted on 09/08/2013 12:46:07 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; Religion Moderator

Well, I hereby give RM the greenlight. The next step is up to you whether you wish to continue on FR or not, ie, you may register your objection, but please do not give our moderators a bad time. Thanks


30 posted on 09/08/2013 1:00:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you for your support.


31 posted on 09/08/2013 7:28:39 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Gamecock

Bump to self


32 posted on 09/08/2013 7:39:06 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: RBStealth; Heart-Rest; HoosierDammit; red irish; fastrock; NorthernCrunchyCon; UMCRevMom@aol.com; ..
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33 posted on 09/08/2013 7:41:53 PM PDT by narses
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To: RBStealth
Could have saved a lot of ink: Book: "Bad Religion: How We Became a Nation of Heretics"

Protestantism.

34 posted on 09/08/2013 7:44:56 PM PDT by verga (Liberals, homeschoolers and protestants, not all that different if you look closely enough)
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To: GeronL

Good luck finding a New Testament without the influence of the Catholic Church, in particular St. Augustine and a number of Popes from the 300s to the 1500s.

Without the Catholic Church, there would be no Scriptura from which one could claim to proclaim Sola Fida.


35 posted on 09/08/2013 7:57:14 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: sasportas

The argument here is pretty poor.

Douthat certainly isn’t Rome and the work doesn’t claim infallibility due to the fact that the writer is not and does not claim to be the Pope.

That said, there are are around 30,000 protestant denominations, and several Pastors who may claim to be Pope.

As a Catholic, Douthat is obviously not one of them.


36 posted on 09/08/2013 8:02:32 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: verga

Plenty of problems with Catholic Atheists who show up to Mass... and then ignore the teachings of the church the other 167 hours of the week.

There are lots of Protestants and Evangelicals who would make outstanding Catholics.


37 posted on 09/08/2013 8:05:13 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: rwilson99

That is nice. But I find nothing Catholic in the New Testament


38 posted on 09/08/2013 8:23:24 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

This is the same type of argument that John McCain makes when he says that a Muslim shouting “Alahu Akbar” is the same as a Christian Proclaiming “Praise God!”

It’s just not rooted in reality.

In fact, Martin Luther is quoted as saying.

“We are compelled to concede to the Papists
that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all.”

The term Papists is one of ML’s favorite derogatory terms for Catholics.

Now Catholics, Protestants and Evangelicals have a lot to learn from one another.

Politicians like John McCain could learn an awful lot to learn too. Especially from a little, 76-year old man... who is a virgin and basically wears a dress to work every day... about how to actually stand up to Barrack Obama.

Perhaps if he could step away from his poker game for a moment he might learn something.


39 posted on 09/08/2013 8:33:06 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: wintertime
I see the imposition of compulsory K-12 socialist-entitlement schooling as a major factor in where religion went wrong.

The truth is that it went wrong when the protestants began to be upset that Catholic schools were receiving public monies at the same rate as the "protestant model".

Catholics were upset that their children were FORCED to read from the KJV and follow the man made doctrines of Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura. The Bishop of NYC initiated the construction of Catholic schools that had Nuns and Priests as the primary teachers.

The protestants became very upset over this and petitioned the federal government to end funding for these schools.

When the Catholics were removed from the school the protestants were free to free to follow liberal dictates and this is the end result.

You are correct that the system needs repair, but let's place the blame where it belongs.

40 posted on 09/09/2013 5:02:02 AM PDT by Hope for the Republic (The 1st amendment is protected by the 2nd amendment)
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