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Pope Francis: overcome temptation to be "Christians without Jesus" (Daily Mass)
Radio Vaticana ^ | 9/7/2013

Posted on 09/07/2013 5:48:38 AM PDT by markomalley

Christians must never forget that the centre of their life is Jesus Christ. That was the message of Pope Francis at Mass this morning at the Casa Santa Marta. The Pope emphasised that we must overcome the temptation to be “Christians without Jesus” or Christians that seek only devotions, without Jesus.

Pope Francis dedicated his whole homily to the centrality of Jesus in the life of the Christian. “Jesus,” he said, “is the centre. Jesus is the Lord. And yet, he maintained, this is not always understood well, “it is not easily understood.” Jesus is not a lord of this or that, but is “the Lord, the only Lord.” He is the centre that “regenerates us, grounds us”: this is the Lord, “the centre.” The Pharisees of today’s Gospel, Pope Francis noted, “make so many commandments the centre of their religiosity.” Even today, “if Jesus is not at the centre, there will be many other things,” so that “we meet many Christians without Christ, without Jesus:

“For example, those who have the sickness of the Pharisees and are Christians that put their faith, their religiosity in so many commandments, so many. ‘Ah, I have to do this, I have to do this, I have to do this. Christians of this attitude . . . ‘But why do you do this?’ – ‘No, it must be done!’ – ‘But why?’ – ‘Ah, I don’t know, but it must be done.’ And Jesus – where is He? A commandment is valid if it comes from Jesus: I do this because the Lord wants me to do this. But if I am a Christian without Christ, I do this and I don’t know why I have to do it.”

There are, he added, “other Christians without Christ: those who only seek devotions . . . But Jesus is not there. If your devotions bring you to Christ, that works. But if you remain there, something’s wrong.” There’s another kind of Christian without Christ, he continued, “those who seek things that are a little uncommon, a little special, that go back to private revelations,” while the Revelation concluded with the New Testament. Pope Francis warned about the desire of these Christians to go to “a spectacle of revelation, to hear new things.” But, the Pope exhorted them, “take the Gospel!”:

“‘But Father, what is the rule for being a Christian with Christ, and not becoming a Christian without Christ. What is the sign of a person that is a Christian with Christ?’ The rule is simple: only that which brings you to Jesus is valid, and only that is valid that comes from Jesus. Jesus is the centre, the Lord, as He Himself says. Does this bring you to Jesus? Go ahead. Does this commandment, this attitude, come from Jesus? Go ahead. But if it doesn’t bring you to Jesus, and if it doesn’t come from Jesus, but . . . if you don’t know, it’s a bit dangerous.”

And again the Pope asks, “What is the sign that I am a Christian with Jesus?” The sign, he said, is simple. It is the sign of the one born blind that prostrated himself before Jesus to adore Him:

“But if you aren’t able to adore Jesus, you’re missing something. A rule, a sign. The sign is: I am a good Christian, I am on the path of a good Christian if I do that which comes from Jesus and if I do that which leads me to Jesus, because he is the centre. The sign is: I am capable of adoring, the adoration. This prayer of adoration of Jesus. The Lord makes us understand that He alone is the Lord, the unique Lord. And He gives us, too, the grace of loving Him so much, of following Him, of going along the path that He has shown us.”


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1 posted on 09/07/2013 5:48:39 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

what an idiot. if you are “without Jesus” you are NOT Christian


2 posted on 09/07/2013 5:57:23 AM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq (Teresa Davis)
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To: markomalley

That’s what Marx did. He made the tenets of Christianity acceptable to non believers. Ironically Communism acquired all the tenets of religion. Symbols such as the hammer and sickle, icons and saints ( Lenin (who in a crude way can be compared to St. Paul, Stalin, Mao, and hordes of minor luminaries) epic tales such as the Russian revolution, the Great March, distinctive orders such as the Jesuits ( KGB, Comintern), and fervent followers that have an emotional commitment and belief that rivals that of any religious fundamentalist. Of course the Pope is right. Communism was rotten and fundamentally evil at its core.


3 posted on 09/07/2013 5:58:38 AM PDT by allendale
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To: SendShaqtoIraq

The world is full of “cultural Christians.”


4 posted on 09/07/2013 5:59:16 AM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: SendShaqtoIraq

Quotation marks are sometimes used to indicate irony or the opposite of the literal meaning . Hence “Christians without Jesus”.


5 posted on 09/07/2013 6:04:05 AM PDT by grimalkin (The riddles of God are more satisfying than the solutions of man. -G.K. Chesterton)
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To: markomalley; SendShaqtoIraq; zot; grimalkin; RobbyS; allendale

Mark, thank you for posting this. Allen - Excellent point.

SendShaq: Obviously you miss his point that many think that one can be a Christian without Jesus. It may be obvious, but in today’s world, it is NOT. Be slower to call the Pope or any other Christian, an “idiot” for teaching the truth to those who either do not know or do not believe.

there is a person where I work who is an atheist (quiet, not ‘evangelical’) who believes that the morality of society comes from within individual people; he does not accept that it is only because of Judeo-Christian morality that allows this country and Western society to exist. He does not see a correlation between the break down of current society as resulting from the constant attacks on Judeo-Christian faith and beliefs. And for the type of work he does, his inability to see this disconnect is astonishing to me.


6 posted on 09/07/2013 6:16:09 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: SendShaqtoIraq

Who is the idiot to which you refer?

Is it the author of the sermon?

Or are you speaking as the idiot?


7 posted on 09/07/2013 6:45:12 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: markomalley

I go to church every Sunday, twice unless there is a football game on, i do my duty.

I make sure i have my no smoking signs where they can be seen.

If i see some one smoking i say to them :don,t you know them cigarettes will kill you: or don,t you know that you will go to hell for using tobacco?

I heard a preacher say one time that you were supposed to stop and give people a hand if they needed it, but anyone knows that if they were going to church and living right they would not be in the position to need any help.

What in the world does the Gospel have to do with it any way?
“take the Gospel!”


8 posted on 09/07/2013 6:47:29 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: markomalley

Thank-you Mark!


9 posted on 09/07/2013 6:47:36 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: GreyFriar

Thank-you for your coments. What it all comes down to is the need for relationship with the Lord Jesus.


10 posted on 09/07/2013 7:11:00 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: markomalley

Thank-you Mark and God Bless!


11 posted on 09/07/2013 7:13:40 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: SendShaqtoIraq

You are missing the point by a mile. The Pope is right and I just hear a sermon on the crisis in America of Christ-less churches


12 posted on 09/07/2013 7:16:43 AM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: SendShaqtoIraq

Please, do not speak ill of Pope Francis.


13 posted on 09/07/2013 7:20:42 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: GreyFriar

I sense it is a call for ALL of us to pray for our own spiritual conversion as well as for the spiritual conversion of others to Christ.


14 posted on 09/07/2013 7:23:50 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: SendShaqtoIraq
I don't think you get the gist of what the Pope is saying.

"Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you"  (Jn 6:53).  

15 posted on 09/07/2013 7:26:41 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

It’s important to note that for the most part, socialism is a *parody* of Christianity. The easiest way to imagine this is if the Bible was rewritten to make man, not God, the center of the book, both old and new testaments.

Of course, this idea is full of holes, but socialist theorists got around the problem by rewriting any Biblical elements as needed to justify their beliefs.

This began in earnest with the “historical criticism” of the “higher critics”, from the 17th to the 20th Centuries. It was loaded with assumptions not based in facts, but opinions. For example, “Hebrews did not eat unclean animals like pork because of diseases like trichinosis.”

The idea that science displaces God also figures prominently in socialist theory, which used to be called “scientific socialism”.

This makes it especially ludicrous, as they try to justify the atheist use of Biblical doctrines in socialist faith based theories.

A favorite of these justifies radical, anti-human environmentalism. In the Bible, Adam and Eve are booted out of the Garden of Eden for eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Socialism rewrites this as a goal of socialism to return mankind to Eden (which they call the State of Nature), by renouncing the ideas of good and evil. In short, if a person becomes amoral, he is moving back to nature.

And this concept has all sorts of weird and perverse permutations, from the utterly genocidal, wiping out of most of humanity, to ideas like personal amorality or immorality “free love” as being good. To radical environmentalism, ala Al Gore.

Why do democrats abhor energy production? Simple, because it is “not natural”. Religious idiots.

In any event, the one thing that socialists cannot tolerate in their “faith” is God, in any significant way. They can be called “atheist Christians”, in that they want all the good stuff; but they are so arrogant they think themselves like God, or a substitute for God.


16 posted on 09/07/2013 7:31:09 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: markomalley

17 posted on 09/07/2013 7:35:09 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: All

How about Christians without the demigoddess Mary as Queen of Heaven? Or a Church without graven images? Or a Church without infant baptisms? Jesus we need, the others need to be discarded as unBiblical.


18 posted on 09/07/2013 7:56:07 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

Mary is not a demi goddess as you say. She is the mother of Jesus, true man and true God.

Where do you get your mistaken information, BTW?


19 posted on 09/07/2013 7:59:44 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: BipolarBob

**discarded as unBiblical.**

Maryh is in the Bible, or doesn’t your Bible have the Book of Luke?

LOL!


20 posted on 09/07/2013 8:01:04 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: BipolarBob

Jesus is real and not just an ethical concept. Nor is he a divine spirit hiding in a skin suit. Remembering his mother helps us remember that.


21 posted on 09/07/2013 8:11:27 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Salvation

Mary as the demigoddess or Queen of Heaven as she is worshiped is NOT in the Bible. Mary, mother of Jesus, is in the Bible.


22 posted on 09/07/2013 8:11:33 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Romulus
Remembering his mother helps us remember that.

Having idols may help you remember. Fingering rosary beads may help you remember. Worshiping dead people may help you remember. But those are not what is taught in the Bible or by Jesus. If you want to remember, pray to Jesus to help your memory. That is what is Biblical.

23 posted on 09/07/2013 8:14:45 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Romulus
Nor is he a divine spirit hiding in a skin suit.

This may come as a shocker to you but He has dropped the skin suit.

24 posted on 09/07/2013 8:16:06 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

Unbiblical. Hmm. So the Bible is the point of reference for you? Now THAT’S unbiblical.


25 posted on 09/07/2013 8:16:23 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus
Unbiblical. Hmm. So the Bible is the point of reference for you? Now THAT’S unbiblical.

Prov. 30:5,6 Every Word of God is pure, He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him. Add thou not unto His words, lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

26 posted on 09/07/2013 8:21:26 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

What has been going on in the Middle East the last couple of months, but in a special way the last couple of days is a reminder that regardless of what church community believers worship, we are all part of the large family tree known as the Christian faith.


27 posted on 09/07/2013 8:48:54 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: allendale; GreyFriar; Biggirl; Bigtigermike; Salvation; yefragetuwrabrumuy; Romulus; Tax-chick; ...
Today's Mass reflects a recurring theme of Francis' daily fervorini:

He talks about being a "Christian" without Christ. He has frequently examined the Church that does not first and foremost point people toward Christ, calling it a "pitiful NGO" in those circumstances. For example:

Today's exhortation is just a different twist on a common theme: the need for radical conversion (at both the individual and institutional levels) and the utter need to become completely dependent solely upon Christ.

28 posted on 09/07/2013 8:59:27 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Biggirl
that regardless of what church community believers worship, we are all part of the large family tree known as the Christian faith.

really? Is that what you believe? That's not what I read on these forums. I hear "There's only ONE TRUE CHURCH." And some nonsense about an apostolic succession (also unBiblical). Also how about "There's 15 thousand Brand X churchs out there but only is built on the first Pope Peter". A Christian is one who follows Christs teachings (not a Church) and practices. You don't even worship on the same day Jesus did. That family tree needs some pruning to get back to what Jesus taught.

29 posted on 09/07/2013 9:00:32 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

Leave the tree as is.


30 posted on 09/07/2013 9:04:13 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: BipolarBob

“A Christian is one who follows Christs teachings (not a Church) and practices.”

A Chrisitan is RATHER one who BELIEVES in Jesus Christ as LORD.


31 posted on 09/07/2013 9:06:04 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: BipolarBob

“That family tree needs some pruning to get back to what Jesus taught.”

Best not to prune it, leave it alone as is.


32 posted on 09/07/2013 9:08:28 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Leave the tree as is.

Yes, that's the safest thing to do. And probably what Pope Francis is talking about here. And it is also what the world wants as well. Let's just leave everything the way it is. Everyone feels nice and snug and comfortable.

33 posted on 09/07/2013 9:09:02 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Biggirl
A Chrisitan is RATHER one who BELIEVES in Jesus Christ as LORD.

Just what I said. That's what Jesus taught. To believe on Him.

34 posted on 09/07/2013 9:10:21 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: markomalley
Even today, “if Jesus is not at the centre, there will be many other things,” so that “we meet many Christians without Christ, without Jesus:

A false theology from a false leader of a false religion...It is just mind boggling that this pope, this religion teaches you can be a Christian without Jesus Christ...

Does anyone know why that is??? It's obvious...In the Catholic religion you become a Christian by joining the Catholic fraternity, as long as someone sprinkled some water on you...

You are not a Christian if Jesus Christ is not your Savior, and you are not a Christian if you teach otherwise as your popes do...

35 posted on 09/07/2013 9:11:04 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: markomalley

AMEN to that.


36 posted on 09/07/2013 9:12:30 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: BipolarBob

And that is what Pope Francis has been teaching.


37 posted on 09/07/2013 9:13:31 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: GreyFriar
SendShaq: Obviously you miss his point that many think that one can be a Christian without Jesus. It may be obvious, but in today’s world, it is NOT. Be slower to call the Pope or any other Christian, an “idiot” for teaching the truth to those who either do not know or do not believe.

I don't believe you because how could these Jesusless Christians not know???... They go to your church...What were they taught before they were allowed membership to your so-called body of christ???

A real Christian, leader or not would not pussyfoot around like this...He'd tell people that if you are without Jesus Christ, you are NOT a Christian whether you think you are or not...

So now we have to ask...What kind of Catholic Christians are those at FR??? The kind with Jesus or Christians without Jesus???

38 posted on 09/07/2013 9:24:22 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Romulus
Jesus is real and not just an ethical concept. Nor is he a divine spirit hiding in a skin suit. Remembering his mother helps us remember that.

Perhaps if you guys were indwelt with the Holy Spirit as all Christians are, you wouldn't have so much trouble remembering who Jesus is, without clinging to his mother...

39 posted on 09/07/2013 9:30:28 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Romulus
Unbiblical. Hmm. So the Bible is the point of reference for you? Now THAT’S unbiblical.

Sorry if I come across as too harsh, but if you really believe that, you are not qualified to be in the conversation...

Deu 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deu 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deu 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

God made sure his words were written in the books of the bible so that they are near to us for us to read, learn, and memorize...

The bible is the only point of reference we need, according to God...

40 posted on 09/07/2013 9:40:18 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: ravenwolf

This is sarcasm I hope.


41 posted on 09/07/2013 9:40:32 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Biggirl
What has been going on in the Middle East the last couple of months, but in a special way the last couple of days is a reminder that regardless of what church community believers worship, we are all part of the large family tree known as the Christian faith.

You can not include those 'Christians' who do not have Jesus...

42 posted on 09/07/2013 9:41:48 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool; BipolarBob

So your god is a book. Got it.


43 posted on 09/07/2013 9:45:22 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Iscool

Give them a break. They have so many catechisms, special prayers, novenas and a semi-truckload of centuries of traditions to lug around and remembering Jesus can sort of get lost in the shuffle. We’re talking about a legalistic tradition laden religion. This stuff ain’t easy (one of them actually told me that). So they’re bearing a heavy burden and I’m not sure where remembering Jesus is on their list.


44 posted on 09/07/2013 9:45:51 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Romulus; Iscool

So your god is your church. Got it.


45 posted on 09/07/2013 9:47:06 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

Uh uh. The tomb is empty.


46 posted on 09/07/2013 9:47:54 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: SendShaqtoIraq

“what an idiot. if you are “without Jesus” you are NOT Christian”

True but the message is to those who DON’T REALIZE they are not truly Christian. People who have joined the ‘Social Club’ so they call themselves a ‘Christian’ but do not truly have or know Jesus. Like the two who came to Jesus and said “Lord Lord” and Jesus cut them off and said “Why do you call me Lord yet you don’t do what I say?”

Jesus spoke of those who would stand before Him on judgement and say “Did I not (do all these things)in YOUR name?” and Jesus said “I will tell him, depart from me you worker of iniquity I do not know you”

It’s all through the Gospels where Jesus told people that they were not his followers even know they CLAIMED and believed they were his followers (Christians).

This is a message that is good, and right. Too many think they have Jesus just because they are part of the ‘Social Club’ but the ‘Social Club’ called Christianity - and being a real follower of Jesus are quite different.


47 posted on 09/07/2013 9:49:57 AM PDT by SamTheWriter (Jesus even warned of those who THOUGHT they were His, but were NOT! Social Club vs Relationship)
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To: Romulus
So your god is a book. Got it.

Nope...But my God wrote a book and it contains the words of God...If I want to know what God says or wrote, I go to the book, just as God suggested...

48 posted on 09/07/2013 9:51:11 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Romulus

Praise Jesus. He lives.


49 posted on 09/07/2013 9:51:14 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Iscool

Those Christians DO go back to the days of Jesus and the apostles.


50 posted on 09/07/2013 9:51:52 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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