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Do I go to mass tomorrow, and listen to a homily advocating amnesty for illegal immigrants? (Vanity)

Posted on 09/07/2013 3:59:35 PM PDT by steelhead_trout

Have head that tomorrow, September 8, parish priests, on order from their dioceses, will give homilies that unabashadly advocate amnesty for illegal aliens, that is, support the Obama administration's policy in this area. Last week's homily was, in my church, a taste of this; the priest worked (snuck?) the subject of immigration and immigrants into the homily. Since I've returned to the faith from a somewhat lapsed status over 4 years ago, I've endeavored not to miss any days of obligation. But I remember way back in 1982 when a priest gave an over-the-top homily supporting the nuclear "freeze" movement. I do not want to ever sit through something like that again. If I do, I will simply get up and walk out of church.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; doctrine; illegals; immigration
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1 posted on 09/07/2013 3:59:35 PM PDT by steelhead_trout
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To: steelhead_trout

Religion is politics, politics is religion.


2 posted on 09/07/2013 4:00:35 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: steelhead_trout

This whole thing (which I have heard about on FOX) really p8sses me off, grinds my gears so to speak.
The Catholic church keeps its lips tight on the homosexual agenda, avoiding it whenever possible, and fails to bar politicians who support infanticide all for the whole schtick of ‘not being political’, yet now they have certain priests shilling for amnesty. I’m aware it is not all of them, and many won’t be taking part in this crap, but the double standard irks me.


3 posted on 09/07/2013 4:02:16 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: steelhead_trout

walk out...quietly and respectfully..but walk out. That’s what I would do.


4 posted on 09/07/2013 4:02:49 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: Viennacon

I agree, the Church was astonishingly passive on the matter of same-sex “marriage”, even though it makes a mockery of a sacrament. But then, considering some of the priests coming out of the seminaries in the last 30 years, maybe it’s not such a surprise!


5 posted on 09/07/2013 4:04:33 PM PDT by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: steelhead_trout

I sympathize. Much will depend on which diocese you’re in.


6 posted on 09/07/2013 4:05:39 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: steelhead_trout

Seems that if your priest/pastor is preaching about supporting breaking the law, then he is not preaching Biblical principles, why go.


8 posted on 09/07/2013 4:06:30 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: steelhead_trout

Well I would stand up and say”I need a job first”very loud and then sit down.Have I done this stuff before.You bet your Bippie.


9 posted on 09/07/2013 4:06:37 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: steelhead_trout

Not going, need to keep my blood pressure at normal levels!


10 posted on 09/07/2013 4:07:21 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (God help the Republic but will he?)
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To: Dick Vomer

Hell no-stand up and stand out.


11 posted on 09/07/2013 4:07:27 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: steelhead_trout

I agree that you should walk out, but I don’t believe that you should be entirely respectful. I’m not saying you should start screaming or anything, but you should leave in a way that everyone notices.


12 posted on 09/07/2013 4:07:44 PM PDT by needmorePaine
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To: steelhead_trout

Go tonight. Avoid the annoyance.


13 posted on 09/07/2013 4:07:47 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: James C. Bennett

You’re going to have to do what I did in 1972 when that douche (I can’t remember his name any more but I think it rhymed with McPhoney) gave us all a lecture on the immorality of the Vietnam War. I had just returned the year earlier after spending 14 months as an Infantry offifer. I got up and walked down the main aisle of the church and out.

Afterward, I only went back to set an example for my children. Worked for the daughter but not the two boys (one, later, became an Evangelical).

Don’t put up with their crap. After all, they’re not our Lord.

After the kids were grown, I never went back.


14 posted on 09/07/2013 4:07:48 PM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: steelhead_trout

Ooops, meant to include this:

Try to remember that Mass is about you worshipping your Lord, not about any one priest’s particular homily.


15 posted on 09/07/2013 4:07:56 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: steelhead_trout

Confront them with this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3063890/posts


16 posted on 09/07/2013 4:08:42 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: steelhead_trout
My advice would be to bring a crossword or book or rosary beads and just ignore the sermon once it starts going in a direction you don't like. The second half of Mass is why we go, the first is more or less gravy.

On the other hand we just returned from our Vigil Mass which was said by the most liberal priest in our parish. Not a word about immigration, although we did pray at the beginning of the Mass for peace in Syria and throughout the world.

For reference, I'm in the Philadelphia archdiocese.

17 posted on 09/07/2013 4:09:57 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: old and tired

Good points. I’m in the Harrisburg diocese, but that’s a sprawling one, geographically.


18 posted on 09/07/2013 4:11:52 PM PDT by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: steelhead_trout
1 Timothy 5:8
Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

What good is a government that caters to foreigners over its own citizenry?

19 posted on 09/07/2013 4:14:48 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: steelhead_trout

>> I will simply get up and walk out of church.

Might be time to consider a switch to a congregation that follows Scripture.

Keep in mind that not all mainstream Protestant churches have gone over to the dark side — and most evangelicals *certainly* haven’t. In spite of what the Catholics would have you believe, we worship the same GOD ALMIGHTY, believe in the same JESUS His only begotten Son (”the same yesterday, today, and forever”), we’re all saved by grace through faith for a purpose, and you won’t burn in hell for worshipping Him with us instead of absorbing the left-wing pap your communist priest lays out. :-)

Just sayin’. And FRegards.


20 posted on 09/07/2013 4:15:27 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: steelhead_trout

Its up to you of course, but Catholic homilies at mass usually aren’t very long and your presence there is for the purpose of prayer, so you can light a candle for the priest and say a prayer instead of listening intently to the message and letting your blood pressure go ballistic.

Of course you can always go to a foreign language mass near your residence, and let the whole message go over your head.


21 posted on 09/07/2013 4:17:06 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: steelhead_trout

Not sure what Diocese you’re in, but you could always go to a Mass where the Mass/homily is in a language you don’t understand..

I’ve done that before by going to the Spanish Mass, but I will admit not liking the hymns, despite having no idea, except for Senor, what they are saying.


22 posted on 09/07/2013 4:17:31 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: steelhead_trout

I left a parish back in the mid 70’s when a priest said he didn’t want to hear any change hitting the collection basket.


23 posted on 09/07/2013 4:18:07 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: steelhead_trout

What would Jesus do?


24 posted on 09/07/2013 4:18:47 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: steelhead_trout

It is one thing for a priest to provide biblical reference to current events, and quite another to take a political stand.

Priest are human beings and they are not infallible.

That’s all I have to say for now.


25 posted on 09/07/2013 4:20:03 PM PDT by KittenClaws ( You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: steelhead_trout
I feel for you. You are making a llfe changing decision, so here's some thought to back you up.

"Philosophy is the goal toward which religion was only a helplessly blind groping. The grandeur, the reverence, the exalted purity, the austere dedication to the pursuit of truth, which are commonly associated with religion, should belong to the field of philosophy."

The quote is from Ayn Rand

26 posted on 09/07/2013 4:20:10 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: steelhead_trout

Ignore it. The important part is the changing of water into wine and the bread into Christ’s body. Catholics generally give lousy homilies.


27 posted on 09/07/2013 4:21:32 PM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: I_Like_Spam

That is the advantage of a Latin Mass.


29 posted on 09/07/2013 4:21:48 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: steelhead_trout

they do this here almost every week in my lib parish. Heck, they prayed for the “end of the Iraq war” 3 years after it officially ended but i won’t hold my breath about Syria.


30 posted on 09/07/2013 4:21:50 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: I_Like_Spam
Of course you can always go to a foreign language mass near your residence, and let the whole message go over your head.

Lol, mere seconds apart, same answer.

31 posted on 09/07/2013 4:22:14 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: steelhead_trout; ErnBatavia

I am getting ready for 5:30 mass now. IF this is topic of tonites sermon, I will not
put my envelope in collection basket. I will always go to mass. BUT, I will ignore sermon ( not not try to hide that i am not listening) and i will not contribute as i always do any longer until im sure noe of my money is supporting illegal activites.


32 posted on 09/07/2013 4:22:19 PM PDT by SortaBichy
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To: max americana

I wish I had a nickel for every time I hear the term “Social Justice” at my Church.


33 posted on 09/07/2013 4:22:32 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: steelhead_trout

Why are you asking a faith question to strangers on a political site? Your choice shapes your answer. You should be praying about this matter and reading the Bible and the Catechism as you seek direction if you are serious.


34 posted on 09/07/2013 4:22:35 PM PDT by Coyote Choir
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To: steelhead_trout; metmom; Alex Murphy; boatbums

Why attend a church that preaches Christ crucified and resurrected instead of a social (leftist) message?


35 posted on 09/07/2013 4:22:45 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: steelhead_trout

Stand up and say something

Tell him If you are going to introduce politics into religion, you are going to debate him on it

Because there is no debate about God, but politics always has two sides


36 posted on 09/07/2013 4:24:28 PM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Gamecock

>> Why attend a church that preaches Christ crucified

I’m trusting that you meant why >>NOT<< attend... :-)


37 posted on 09/07/2013 4:24:58 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: dfwgator

Did your parish homily include a private prayer to Hillary? Does your parish hold a gay week mass?


38 posted on 09/07/2013 4:28:01 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: steelhead_trout

I’ve long had varieties of this same question. I suppose you could get up and walk out, at least for part of it. I’ve done that. I don’t present myself as a canon law expert, and I expect to be corrected here if I’m wrong, but I think the obligation, at least for the liturgy of the word part of the mass, extends mostly to the readings.


39 posted on 09/07/2013 4:28:55 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: steelhead_trout

Its unfortunate there are Christians embracing a false interpretation of scripture. There is nothing in scripture commanding secular govt to embrace amnesty.


40 posted on 09/07/2013 4:29:18 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: steelhead_trout

Helping sinners dig in sinfulness under pretense of charity an attacking others questioning that is thug religion. Might as sell listen to mohamed saying how Islam is victim of Christians.


41 posted on 09/07/2013 4:30:22 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: steelhead_trout; ErnBatavia

I am getting ready for 5:30 mass now. IF this is topic of tonites sermon, I will not
put my envelope in collection basket. I will always go to mass. BUT, I will ignore sermon ( not not try to hide that i am not listening) and i will not contribute as i always do any longer until im sure noe of my money is supporting illegal activites.


42 posted on 09/07/2013 4:31:13 PM PDT by SortaBichy
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To: steelhead_trout

If there is a social after the service, be sure to let other people know that the priest was referring to giving Mexican citizens US citizenship, because it is easier for them to take our wealth than repair their own disaster of a country, which they are not willing to do.


43 posted on 09/07/2013 4:33:35 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: miss marmelstein
the changing of water into wine

The Catholic mass uses wine that symbolically ends up as blood.

44 posted on 09/07/2013 4:33:48 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: steelhead_trout

You are there to RECEIVE HOLY COMMUNION!!! Walk out during the sermon and let the Priest know afterwards that you did that and NOT to bring politics into the Church anymore!!


45 posted on 09/07/2013 4:34:32 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: steelhead_trout

I’d get up and walk out and never go back. But then I’m not and never will be a catholic.


46 posted on 09/07/2013 4:35:31 PM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: sockmonkey; I_Like_Spam; old and tired; workerbee; dfwgator
You all said more or less the same thing.

"you could always go to a Mass where the Mass/homily is in a language you don’t understand.."

"Of course you can always go to a foreign language mass near your residence, and let the whole message go over your head."

"My advice would be to bring a crossword or book or rosary beads and just ignore the sermon once it starts going in a direction you don't like."

"Try to remember that Mass is about you worshipping your Lord, not about any one priest’s particular homily."

"That is the advantage of a Latin Mass."--"I wish I had a nickel for every time I hear the term “Social Justice” at my Church."

Can this be real? Are you serious? This explains why the Catholic denomination is a pro-abortion/pro-homosexual agenda/pro-immigration, democrat voting denomination.

Are you conservatives? Then do something for your church or for yourselves, or for America, but do something.

47 posted on 09/07/2013 4:38:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Libertarians, the left's social agenda with conservatism's economics, which is impossible of course)
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To: miss marmelstein
The important part is the changing of water into wine and the bread into Christ’s body. Catholics generally give lousy homilies.

What church changes water into wine in its service?

48 posted on 09/07/2013 4:39:03 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: dfwgator

Homily is in the vernacular.


49 posted on 09/07/2013 4:39:11 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

Go, pray, ignore.


50 posted on 09/07/2013 4:40:51 PM PDT by utahagen
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