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Atlanta Catholic church calls for immigration overhaul
ajc.com ^ | September 8, 2013 | Jeremy Redmon

Posted on 09/09/2013 11:28:59 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

Atlanta’s Cathedral of Christ the King joined a nationwide Catholic campaign Sunday in calling for an overhaul of the nation’s immigration system and a pathway to citizenship for immigrants living illegally in the U.S.

Deacon Gerald Zukauckas delivered Sunday’s homily, urging parishioners to get involved in pushing for a floor vote on immigration legislation in the U.S. House of Representatives. Catholic churches across the nation were expected to deliver similar messages at Masses Sunday.

“Our moral tradition based upon our Catholic social justice calls on all people of faith and good will to stand up in defense of life and human dignity,” Zukauckas said, “just as we have for the sanctity of life from the moment of conception to natural death.”

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TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Politics; Worship
KEYWORDS: aliens; catholic
Deacon Gerald Zukauckas delivered Sunday’s homily, urging parishioners to get involved in pushing for a floor vote on immigration legislation in the U.S. House of Representatives. Catholic churches across the nation were expected to deliver similar messages at Masses Sunday.
1 posted on 09/09/2013 11:28:59 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
I can't help it, but I am beginning to see the Catholic Church (Not all Catholics I am speaking of the Church Officials) as being enemies of the Republic, deniers of both the rule of law and the right to sovereignty.

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" Matthew 22:21
4 posted on 09/09/2013 11:37:11 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: nanetteclaret

Since when is the truth “bashing?” With the exception of abortion and birth control, the USCCB’s position statement reads like the platform of the Democratic party. Gun Control - can’t get enough of it. Wealth redistribution - great stuff. Illegal Immigration - all for it.


5 posted on 09/09/2013 11:39:16 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Alex Murphy
Thanks for names, places, and times. Perhaps Zukauckas should form a mission group and head to Mexico if he feels such a calling.

Why bring Mexican Catholics to the US via illegal means when all he needs is a plane ticket to minister to them in their own country?

6 posted on 09/09/2013 11:39:29 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
Thanks for names, places, and times.

You're welcome.

7 posted on 09/09/2013 11:40:57 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’d prefer that they not end up being an excuse for Catholic bashing. They are so provacative it guarantees the bashers will descend. Like that thread about the “saints” dripping in gems. Whatever interest there might be in getting to the facts of the story is overwhelmed by the acrimonious Catholic bashers.

There are things that are more important out in the world - like Bozo fixin’ to start World War III. It seems like a waste of time and bandwidth to post these kinds of stories which pit Freepers against Freepers.

Maybe if you start posting threads about how to stay strong in the face of Martyrdom by the Islamics, instead of threads pitting Christians against each other, you might have more credibility.


8 posted on 09/09/2013 11:41:42 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: Alex Murphy

Atlanta’s Cathedral of Christ the King joined a nationwide Catholic campaign Sunday in calling for an overhaul of the Mexico`s immigration system and a pathway to Mexican citizenship for Ameican, Guatemalan, Ecudorean, Costa Rican, El Salvadorean et alii immigrants living illegally in Mexico.


9 posted on 09/09/2013 11:44:18 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m Catholic, but I really have little in common with the Church’s politically correct approach to a wide range of issues. I guess to a purist that makes me no Catholic at all. Well, they see things their way, and I see them mine.


10 posted on 09/09/2013 11:44:32 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: nanetteclaret; Alex Murphy

Credibility with who? He seems to be a credible poster to many here. One CAN choose what they read and comment on at FREE Republic.


11 posted on 09/09/2013 11:47:30 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: from occupied ga

Truth is one thing. Bashing is another and there are plenty of threads full of it.

Believe me, I can’t stand the USCCB’s position. They are aiding and abetting criminals. I will complain all day about the USCCB’s positions. But I guarantee that this thread will end up being an argument about how the Catholic Church is totally horrible, hates the Bible, and is a cult. Watch and see.


12 posted on 09/09/2013 11:47:34 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: Kartographer

Its what I said on another tread a couple weeks ago.
It takes sometimes 20-30k/month to pay for the operating expenses on some of these large churches.
Remember how the Crystal Cathedral collapsed into a black hole do to lack of funds.

Churches of all denominations have been crippled by operating costs and the only way out is more people.

How do I know this? A bunch of friends and I bought one back in the early 80’s.
We spent more and more time trying to find funding till we were broke.
And it was a simple small building only for 120 max.


13 posted on 09/09/2013 11:48:20 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: nanetteclaret; Alex Murphy
"Maybe if you start posting threads about how to stay strong in the face of Martyrdom by the Islamics, instead of threads pitting Christians against each other, you might have more credibility."

Where in the world did you get the idea that Alex's threads pits Christians against each other? Show me ONE THREAD that pits one Christian against another Christian and I'll apologize for this post.

I'm talking about one TRUE Christian against another TRUE Christian, BTW.

14 posted on 09/09/2013 11:53:01 AM PDT by smvoice (The 2 greatest days of your life: the day you were born. And the day you discover why.)
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To: nanetteclaret
"There are things that are more important out in the world - like Bozo fixin’ to start World War III."

IMO, anyone helping to destroy the nation by calling for immigration reform is a matter of paramount importance which deserves to be addressed. The source is irrelevant to me.

15 posted on 09/09/2013 11:57:03 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.)
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To: Zathras

My pastor spoke of this problem just Sunday. He said either evangelizes or fossilize and he said fossils aren’t alive. Too many churches fail by not making the next generation their focus. If you go into a church and most of the heads are grey [or bald ;-) ] you are looking at a dying church.

I myself was water baptized two years ago by one of our youth pastors 30 years my junior and I wished that I’d would have been half the Christian he is when I was his age.


16 posted on 09/09/2013 11:59:03 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: smvoice

Before I go to the trouble to find the thread, let me make sure I understand you. By “true Christian” against “true Christian” you are not including Catholics, are you?


17 posted on 09/09/2013 12:04:59 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: bonfire; Alex Murphy
Mr. Murphy would be more credible if he posted an equal amount of provocative threads about Protestants.
18 posted on 09/09/2013 12:06:37 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: nanetteclaret; Alex Murphy

Who cares? The truth needs to see the light of day.

If Catholics are caught with bad juju, take it up with the ones responsible, not the messenger delivering the news about it. Everyone posts with agendas in mind.


19 posted on 09/09/2013 12:09:48 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: nanetteclaret; smvoice; BlueDragon
Believe me, I can’t stand the USCCB’s position. They are aiding and abetting criminals. I will complain all day about the USCCB’s positions. But I guarantee that this thread will end up being an argument about how the Catholic Church is totally horrible, hates the Bible, and is a cult. Watch and see.

I don't know how you stumbled onto the truth, but in actuality FR only has about three or four dozen actual FReepers. FR members who arrived prior to 2001 were given fifty or so "sockpuppet" accounts to simultaneously post under, to give the appearance that political conservativism was far larger than it actually was at the time (I believe there were 743 actual members at that time, with another 11 in outlying countries, each managing 50+ accounts). Subscribers who could manage 100+ accounts were also awarded a "moderator" sockpuppet account to further the illusion of size.

If this thread "ends up being an argument about how the Catholic Church is totally horrible, hates the Bible, and is a cult", it's because we're just following the script each of us were given this morning (3+ lines of dialog for 50+ sockpuppet accounts doesn't write itself). If you have a problem with it, contact one of the moderators about having the script changed.

21 posted on 09/09/2013 12:19:04 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: nanetteclaret
Probably most big city liberal parishes went along with this but for sure ninety percent or more of all parishes ignored it. That's why a separate article for each lefty parish that bragged about going along with the USCCB is posted to make it seem widespread.

The lesbian pastor of the largest Baptist church in Raleigh preached an "impassioned" sermon encouraging people to disrupt the State legislature when they were putting new controls on abortion clinics and a lot of Methodist and other lefty churches did the same.

Catholics were't posting every article they could find in that case or in all the other cases of non-Christian garbage some group with Methodist or Baptist in their church name spews and tarring all of those folks with the same brush. Implying something that isn't true about others is a form of bearing false witness and obviously Catholics are more reluctant to bear false witness even by implication that your run of the mill propagandist is.

If people are stupid enough to not realize what someone is up to when they post stuff about some Catholics while ignoring the exact same thing in their own ranks then they're just that stupid so let them wallow in it.

One good thing, though, is that seeing who on FR who claims to be Christian responds to such distortions in a way that shows they're in lock step with the far left on HuffPo when it comes to Catholics. That way you know that such folk are probably on the same wavelength as HuffPo on other topics as well but just aren't as open about.

22 posted on 09/09/2013 12:21:05 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Undecided 2012; MinuteGal

Well, the sola scriptura folks on these religious threads, whose prime motive seems to be to sow dissension about other folk’s religions that aren’t Protestant, needed a new target. Now that Romney is out of the picture, when Mormonism was their favorite target for insults, they have switched their sights to Catholicism. It’s your turn Catholics.

Forget about using reason to refute the attacks. Either stay off these nasty threads where posters with not so hidden agendas want to claim the title of true believers for themselves alone, or fight back and defend your faith so that others reading these threads understand what your religion is really all about. That’s your options, IMO, as your Catholic religion is now in their crosshairs. They chased all the Mormons off FR, now it’s your turn.


23 posted on 09/09/2013 12:29:08 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Two thoughts: when have the catholic bishops launched a coordinated effort on abortion; if illegal immigrants should be rewarded with citizenship simply because they have been here a long time should not then a non-catholic be given communion if he sits in on Mass for a lot of Sundays?


24 posted on 09/09/2013 12:51:42 PM PDT by Repulican Donkey
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To: Alex Murphy

As a Catholic for almost 8 decades it is unthinkable to believe the Church wants to force new immigration rules to allow law breakers to become Americans.
I have followed all the laws of the CATHOLIC Church all my life and I find this untenable.
They have exerted much more energy to bring in lawbreakers
than they have to get rid of Homosexual Priests.
Little wonder millions of good Catholics are leaving the church


25 posted on 09/09/2013 12:52:19 PM PDT by chatham
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To: Repulican Donkey

sad to say they allowed WJ Clinton to receive The Eucharist
by permission from some bishop.


26 posted on 09/09/2013 12:54:07 PM PDT by chatham
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To: nanetteclaret
Like that thread about the “saints” dripping in gems.

That thread was about skeletons being pulled from burial and being sent out to Catholic churches by the Vatican, to be drenched in gold and gems, for ceremonies and Catholic worship practices.

It naturally freaked people out, including many Catholics.

27 posted on 09/09/2013 1:27:32 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Libertarians, the left's social agenda with conservatism's economics, which is impossible of course)
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To: Alex Murphy
IXNay on the OOPSCay...

eeezzzzjay

28 posted on 09/09/2013 1:35:03 PM PDT by smvoice (The 2 greatest days of your life: the day you were born. And the day you discover why.)
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To: nanetteclaret

Did I say the word “Catholic”? I said TRUE CHRISTIAN against TRUE CHRISTIAN


29 posted on 09/09/2013 1:37:12 PM PDT by smvoice (The 2 greatest days of your life: the day you were born. And the day you discover why.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Good grief. You wasted time composing and posting that?


30 posted on 09/09/2013 1:37:39 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: smvoice

whatever


31 posted on 09/09/2013 1:38:11 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: Rashputin

Is what you are calling the largest Baptist church in Raleigh, the 850 member Pullen Memorial Baptist Church?

They were kicked out of the Southern Baptist Convention in 1992.

I don’t know if they are the largest Baptist church there, but there are a number of Southern Baptist churches there which are larger, much larger, even exceeding 6,000 members.


32 posted on 09/09/2013 1:45:03 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Libertarians, the left's social agenda with conservatism's economics, which is impossible of course)
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To: smvoice
IXNay on the OOPSCay...eeezzzzjay

What is this??? You posted in Pig Latin? You must be one of THEM. What is your hostname, sockpuppet?

33 posted on 09/09/2013 1:46:16 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Alex Murphy

POPETEL CATHOLICFORNIA, if you must know. But do NOT give this information out. This is between YOU and ME, get it?


34 posted on 09/09/2013 1:47:54 PM PDT by smvoice (The 2 greatest days of your life: the day you were born. And the day you discover why.)
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To: Rashputin
The poor and helpless that they leave behind in Mexico, subject to the jurisdiction of Chaos and Anarchy in the Mexican Government, is completely ignored by the Church. While we strip the able bodied from 3rd world nations by the buckets, we ignore whats left behind, leaving nothing but a bad taste in the mouths of those left behind. We promote corruption that drives away free people when we have no checks to immigration, when we give free food and shelter to the able bodies that illegally enter this nation, and encourage this through ignoring our own laws which demand deportations of all of these illegals.

There are 2 sides to every story, too bad one of them are the truth, and the other a cheap excuse that ignores it.

35 posted on 09/09/2013 2:08:14 PM PDT by dude911 (Half stepping is when you don't want to tell the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing BUT the Truth.)
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To: ought-six
are you confessing to being (possibly, in the eyes of *some* Roman Catholics --- not necessarily those present here of more conservative stripe) of being just another big 'ol CINO?

Or are you just another of those "fake" Catholics, who are in reality just another of those original thousand or so actual freepers, but are managing multiple accounts, in part in an effort to assist making American RCC bishops appear as a clustering of semi-half bright, foolish persons?

Good job, Alex. Rock on.

36 posted on 09/09/2013 4:01:33 PM PDT by BlueDragon (jump up and down in my blue suede shoes)
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To: dude911; Alex Murphy
How dare you utter such doubts about the OTC (One True Church ™)

That tag line of yours is a real topper, given the rest of what you just dared say out loud (!) How dare anyone be so offensive.

Half-stepping? What about tap-dancing? Is that still allowed, or are you just another one of those "haters"? huh,huh?

Quick-- tell us what church you attend, so we can (all 743 actual freepers) attack you personally based on that, or else we will have to find some other way to discredit your anti-you Know-Who opinions. You dared even have an opinion. How dare you! What are you doing....are you "protesting"? There is a circle of the bad, "hot" place reserved just for all those who do ....

You must be just another OPC/moderator in disguise, with yet another relatively new sign-up date. It couldn't be anything else...since part of this site's existence is dedicated to casting anything at all "Catholic" in less than a gloriously triumphal light, instead of how it is supposed to be portrayed; always right/never ever ever wrong.

It's in the charter only available to those with the right secret decoder rings... (I will leave it to the reader to decide which sets of decoder rings I am talking about)

Deny all of this, all you wish. But it will only be further proof of how accurate the wild conspiracy theories concerning the religion forum of FR actually are. As if we need even more proof.

Oh...and welcome to the RF of FR, whoever you are. you've really stepped into it, now

Another fine mess you've gotten us into...


37 posted on 09/09/2013 4:06:24 PM PDT by BlueDragon (...and where do we go from here?)
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To: Alex Murphy

Didn’t happen at my church!


38 posted on 09/09/2013 4:08:13 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy
When the going get's weird, the weird turn pro.


39 posted on 09/09/2013 4:12:36 PM PDT by BlueDragon (if they cannot listen to reason, then let opposite man speak, and lead to truth by way of absurdity)
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To: BlueDragon

I like to think I’m a traditional Catholic. You know, the basic tenets. I do not subscribe to PC Catholicism. But, maybe I’ve been misreading traditional Catholicism these sixty-some odd years.


40 posted on 09/11/2013 5:14:41 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six
Please forgive me for so casually and callously dragging you into aspects of dispute which you were not looking for.

Even the bishops which I took hasty potshots at --- are not all that far off from my own present, instinctual reactions, as in a "what to do now" where to go or proceed from here, given the all particulars regarding all the illegal immigration this nation has been all but laying out welcome mat for.

The bishops seem to be now leading from behind, pushing for the humanitarian aspect (which is important) while seeming to ignore the presently still far too porous nature of the this nation's borders. So I lashed out at them.

Though the vast influx of persons (chiefly from Mexico) has not been necessarily "all their fault" --- they have long been exerting political influence towards legitimizing what is in fact an invasion of peoples and culture, unseen on similar scope and scale, previously in this nation's history.

As to being a Christian;
Possibly you are doing fine enough. If you find the Lord there where you are, can find peace with Him and in Him and can continue, then all is well enough in that regard. Carry on, whatever works. And I do not mean that dismissively, but literally. Carry on. Abide until He returns. What choice do we have?

41 posted on 09/11/2013 8:12:28 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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