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Bishop Paprocki: “Christians have to mentally adjust…it’s a pagan kind of a culture”
Catholic World Report ^ | September 10, 2013 | Catherine Harmon

Posted on 09/10/2013 5:42:01 PM PDT by NYer

Bishop Thomas Paprocki (CNS photo)

Bishop Thomas Paprocki of the Diocese of Springfield, Illinois recently did an interview with the Washington Times in which he lamented what he calls the “rupture” in the relationship between Church and culture:

“We [Christians] have to mentally adjust. I know it is an adjustment for me because – and I assume for many other people as well - because I grew up in this country at a time when the values in our secular world mirrored the values of the religious world,” Bishop Paprocki said. “And I think what’s happening now is that relationship – that symbiosis between our culture and the church – has been ruptured.

Paprocki compares today’s situation in the U.S. to Christians being persecuted under Communist regimes and even in ancient times.

“We [Christians] find ourselves now – just in this short period of time - where the early Christians found themselves in the Roman Empire. So the church in 2,000 years, we started out as being a persecuted faith, with Constantine being an accepted established faith, then for centuries, kind of moving in that direction that had this close relationship between the secular world’s values and Judeo-Christian values,” Bishop Paprocki said. “And now I think we are moving in a direction that – not only is it more than secular – it’s a rejection. It’s an outright rejection [of Judeo-Christian values]. It’s a pagan kind of a culture.”

“The reality is that – ironically, it is becoming more like the Church was in the time of John Paul II in Poland under Communism where you [Christians] lived in a very hostile environment. We still have the First Amendment of our Constitution but that is being sorely tested.”


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: culturewars; pagans

1 posted on 09/10/2013 5:42:01 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 09/10/2013 5:42:23 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

...but...


3 posted on 09/10/2013 5:44:08 PM PDT by smvoice (The 2 greatest days of your life: the day you're born. And the day you discover why.)
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To: NYer

Adjust?

I’ll adjust my sights! I hope that’s what he means.


4 posted on 09/10/2013 5:49:22 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

LOL! Good one.


5 posted on 09/10/2013 5:50:59 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: NYer

If the clergy of this church spent more time preaching the free enterprise and Commandment-compliant lessons of the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard (Matthew chapter 20), and less time preaching the social justice gospel of Marx, the culture would not have slid as farm.

Also, if this church had upheld its own teachings with respect to publicly shaming members who use their public office to undermine and oppose the sanctity of life, we would not be where we are today, irrespective of how good a Christian that Nancy Pelosi considers herself to still be.


6 posted on 09/10/2013 5:58:30 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: NYer

Sounds more like the enemy within.


7 posted on 09/10/2013 6:01:24 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: NYer

“Christians have to mentally adjust…it’s a pagan kind of a culture” he says as he wears the priests hat of the priest of the fish god dagon.


8 posted on 09/10/2013 6:09:07 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Good grief!


9 posted on 09/10/2013 6:15:57 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Gumdrop

All you need to do is search on dagon priest and you will see they wore that same hat. The RCC incorporated lot’s of pagan symbols to attract pagans into Christianity. Catholicism is an amalgamation of pagan and Christian.


10 posted on 09/10/2013 6:32:29 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: NYer

**“The reality is that – ironically, it is becoming more like the Church was in the time of John Paul II in Poland under Communism where you [Christians] lived in a very hostile environment. We still have the First Amendment of our Constitution but that is being sorely tested.”**

I’m wondering if the folks in arms will not rise up against the oncoming tyranny.


11 posted on 09/10/2013 6:48:24 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CynicalBear

**fish god dagon.**

??

(BTW, it’s called a mitre — please can you be a little respectful of fellow Christians?


12 posted on 09/10/2013 6:50:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
>> please can you be a little respectful of fellow Christians?<<

Those who preach “another gospel” are not fellow Christians.

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9

Did the apostles teach the assumption of Mary, praying to saints, or the perpetual virginity of Mary? The RCC preaches another gospel.

13 posted on 09/10/2013 7:03:36 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear
"All you need to do is search on dagon priest and you will see they wore that same hat. The RCC incorporated lot’s of pagan symbols to attract pagans into Christianity. Catholicism is an amalgamation of pagan and Christian."

It is a silly claim. There is no solid evidence that the papal mitre was used before about the 10th century, and it probably originated in Rome. The dagon cult was an ancient Middle Eastern cult, and I doubt there were many dagon believers waiting to be converted in 10th century Rome. Even if the hat resembles a dagon hat, there is no link between the two nor any implied worship of an ancient fish god.
14 posted on 09/10/2013 7:04:29 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: CynicalBear

Catholics do not preach another Gospel.

What do you know about the Assumption of Mary? All the Apostles were bi-located to her bedside as she died.

I know you won’t believe this, but it IS written down.

The Catholics gave you the Bible. Be thankful.


15 posted on 09/10/2013 7:22:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CynicalBear

"Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you"  (Jn 6:53).  

16 posted on 09/10/2013 7:24:58 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Steve_Seattle
>>Even if the hat resembles a dagon hat, there is no link between the two nor any implied worship of an ancient fish god.<<

Of course not. Nor are any of the other pagan beliefs, vestments, and symbols used by the RCC. It’s all just a coincidence. Right?

17 posted on 09/10/2013 7:27:05 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: NYer
it is becoming more like the Church was in the time of John Paul II in Poland under Communism where you [Christians] lived in a very hostile environment.

This is why I think the Fatima - Russia Consecration to the Immaculate Heart was never done properly. Although Russia itself has reduced or eliminated its persecution of Christianity and even in some respects encourages it, the old Russia still continues to "spread her errors".

19 posted on 09/10/2013 7:37:53 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: NYer

Misinterpreted, taken out of context, anti-Catholic press, Catholic haters coming out of the woodwork.

Am I missing any?


20 posted on 09/10/2013 7:42:46 PM PDT by DManA
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To: CynicalBear

Pagan vestments and symbols, perhaps, but not pagan beliefs, and beliefs are what count.


21 posted on 09/10/2013 8:23:45 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: CynicalBear
he wears the priests hat of the priest of the fish god dagon.

There was no "fish god dagon.". Dagon was an agricultural deity associated with the grain harvest. Just one of about 200 things Alexander Hislop got wrong.

22 posted on 09/10/2013 9:19:36 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: NYer

He shoulda been pope

instead of that El Salvador 1970s acting dude


23 posted on 09/10/2013 9:21:42 PM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: All

We have to compromise with paganism, eh? Reminds me of our illustrious Senator McCain “reaching across the aisle,” and our establishment Republicans compromising at every turn. Its the reason America is in the mess its in.

In religion, there is a name for this sort of thing, syncretism. The bishop is merely repeating what his predecessors did centuries ago. Protestant/Evangelicalism is an ongoing attempt to undue the pagan damage done to Christianity by the syncretist Roman church centuries ago.

The same sort of thing is what is wrong with America. Socialist Catholic voters being a big part of what’s wrong...yet they have the gall to call themselves “conservative” on this conservative website.

This bishop who advocates sycretism, the blending of paganism with Christianity, is a gutless compromising coward. So where does that put all you who support him on this thread? If this was the Old Testament, and we had some Isaiah’s and Jeremiah’s around, pagan Christians would know what it feels like to get their hides skinned.


24 posted on 09/10/2013 9:57:14 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas
" Socialist Catholic voters being a big part of what’s wrong..

ROTFLOL

Non-Catholic "Christians" who sit out elections have handed the democrat fascist party control of this county from top to bottom for the past fifty years. As long as they can blame someone else while they go along to get along they're happy.

No matter how someone squirms and yells, they can't hide the fact that if the people who love to point fingers at Catholics even cared enough to show up and vote, who won the Catholic vote by a few percentage points wouldn't matter. And given the concentration of the Catholic vote in a few states, it really doesn't matter who they vote for anyway even in most Presidential elections unless 80% of people who claim to be non-Catholic Christians don't bother to vote .

Anti-Catholic garbage is just a Gnostic game played by people who worship their own, Most High and Holy Self.

Were that not the case King Barry wouldn't be on the throne today but since non-Catholic "Christians" prefer making excuses to doing anything we have wall to wall lies and excuses to go with the democrat fascist government such "Christians" don't even bother to vote against.

Gall?

Gall is someone who is part of the 80% of the population who aren't Catholic blaming their unwillingness to behave like and vote like Christians on the 20% of the population who are Catholic.

25 posted on 09/10/2013 11:56:47 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Salvation; CynicalBear
please can you be a little respectful of fellow Christians?

Why would he start now?

26 posted on 09/11/2013 2:41:44 AM PDT by verga (Liberals, homeschoolers and protestants, not all that different if you look closely enough)
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To: NYer

Yes and no. As Msgr. Pope observed earlier this week, referencing C.S. Lewis’s writings, pagan cultures had quite a few advantages over today’s miasmic belief system. They believed that water would wet you and fire would burn (cf. Kipling). Today, the notion that it’s hawg-stupid to jump into water if you can’t swim, or take reasonable precautions regarding fire, is Racist and “blaming the victim.” Physics is an oppressive social construct, not unavoidable reality.


27 posted on 09/11/2013 2:41:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Make sure you notice when I'm being subtly ironic!)
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To: NYer

“when the gods of the New Paganism come they will not be merely insufficient, as were the gods of Greece, nor merely false; they will be evil. One might put it in a sentence, and say that the New Paganism, foolishly expecting satisfaction, will fall, before it knows where it is, into Satanism.”-Hilaire Belloc from the book ‘Essay’s of a catholic.’


28 posted on 09/11/2013 4:51:34 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch

Hilaire Belloc quotes to start the day. Excellent!


29 posted on 09/11/2013 9:10:58 AM PDT by Shark24
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To: NYer
Bishop Paprocki said. “And now I think we are moving in a direction that – not only is it more than secular – it’s a rejection. It’s an outright rejection [of Judeo-Christian values]. It’s a pagan kind of a culture.”

Thomas Paprocki needs to read the WORD of G-d.
Specifically the Book of Revelation,
as it describes the current End of Days.

The situation today in Syria looks like
the Book of Ezekiel chapters 38-39.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
30 posted on 09/11/2013 10:02:34 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Salvation; CynicalBear
The Catholics gave you the Bible. Be thankful.

And the Ru'ach HaKodesh had nothing to do with it.

WOW !

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
31 posted on 09/11/2013 10:07:11 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

By the rules, you are supposed to provide a translation to any foreign language posted.

32 posted on 09/11/2013 10:10:59 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Rashputin

The non-Catholic Christians who sit out elections, with the vast majority of socialist and Liberation Theology minded Catholics who vote with the Democrats, are BOTH the problem. Thanks for bringing up those who sit out elections.

As to the notion that it is ONLY non-Catholics who sit out elections, this must be your personal theory as there is probably as many Catholics who sit out elections as non-Catholics.

80% of the population is non-Catholic? Sounds like you consider non-Catholic Christians on a par with unbelievers.

Since most non-Catholic Christians are conservative, and do NOT vote with the democrats as most Catholics do, your percentages here on FR, a conservative site, don’t jive. The Catholics run rough shod here, so much so one would get the impression it is a Roman Catholic website. Look at all the threads on the RF, Pope this, Pope that, etc. Your 20% Catholic looks more like 99%.

This being a conservative site, most Catholics vote with the Democrats, and according to you only 20 % of the population are supposed to be Catholic, yet the RF is 99% Catholics, what’s wrong with this picture?


33 posted on 09/11/2013 10:21:03 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

If there is no one worth voting for, then it makes sense to sit out elections


34 posted on 09/11/2013 10:24:05 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

I know, a sad state of affairs for sure. But who’s at fault here? Many here put the blame on the Repub party, I disagree, bottom line it is the Republicans themselves. It is the Republicans that voted Romney their standard bearer, they have no one to blame but themselves.

My last two votes were AGAINST Obama, not FOR the standard bearer Republicans picked. I know, lesser of two evils, I hate it.


35 posted on 09/11/2013 10:57:41 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

Since I am not a Republican Party member not registered as one, I’ll just vote for conservatives and if there is not one I will skip it.


36 posted on 09/11/2013 11:05:16 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: NYer
We [Christians] have to mentally adjust.

Reasonable people adjust to their environment.

Unreasonable people make the environment adjust to THEM.

All progress is made by unreasonable people.

37 posted on 09/11/2013 11:10:29 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: GeronL
"If there is no one worth voting for, then it makes sense to sit out elections"

An absurd excuse that perfectly fits the Loser Logic of people who are comfortable with surrender.

Even if you replace an incumbent piece of scum with functionally identical scum you've deprived your opponent of the very real benefits seniority grants them.

38 posted on 09/11/2013 12:54:09 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Kennard
>> Pagan vestments and symbols, perhaps, but not pagan beliefs, and beliefs are what count.<<

Not according to God.

Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God:

God gave direction on how to serve Him and taking pagan practices etc. to serve HIM was NOT something He said was “what counts”.

39 posted on 09/11/2013 1:01:29 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Campion

>>There was no “fish god dagon.”.<<

I suppose the fact that from the waist down he was a fish doesn’t count for anything right?

http://www.bible-history.com/sketches/ancient/dagon.html

Dagon was the god of the Philistines. This image shows that the idol was represented in the combination of both man and fish. The name “Dagon” is derived from “dag” which means “fish.”

Although there was a deep affection from Dagon’s worshippers to their deity, the symbol of a fish in human form was really meant to represent fertility and the vivifying powers of nature and reproduction.

Note the hat of the priest to dagon. Then you may want to search scripture for references to dagon.


40 posted on 09/11/2013 1:11:24 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; Salvation
I think it would be wise for you to converse or address people in English as they understand. You may think the Hebrew is better but if the people you address don’t understand it’s the same as speaking in tongues with no interpreter.

Ru'ach HaKodesh = Holy Spirit.

41 posted on 09/11/2013 1:58:31 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: NYer

Read on FishEaters that Pope Francis will be the one to properly consecrate Russia, according to some “seer”. I’m not accepting wagers either way.


42 posted on 09/12/2013 9:56:58 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: CynicalBear

“...he says as he wears the priests hat of the priest of the fish god dagon.”

I’m pretty sure you want to watch “man-bear-pig”, on the Cartoon Network.


43 posted on 09/13/2013 8:32:38 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obam a's Socialist Agenda:)
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