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State Officials Shut Down Jewish Chicken-Slaughtering Ritual Operations
CBSLA.com) ^ | September 13, 2013 11:17 PM

Posted on 09/14/2013 7:06:54 AM PDT by BenLurkin

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — Two operations in the Pico-Robertson area were ordered Friday by the Calif. Department of Food and Agriculture to shut down a traditional Jewish ritual involving slaughtering chickens.

Bait Aaron, a Sephardic Orthodox outreach group, and Ohel Moshe, a synagogue, were performing kaparot, which is practiced by a small group of Orthodox Jews on the eve of Yom Kippur, the Jewish Day of Atonement.

Kaparot is an ancient ritual in which a person swings a live chicken overhead three times and recites a prayer. The bird is then slaughtered and given to the poor.

“It’s not meant to be to hurt these animals in any way, not anyone can slaughter these animals,” Ohel Moshe congregant Omid Dayan said. “It has to be a certified person there. The whole purpose is to sacrifice the chicken in the least harmful way as possible.”

Rabbi Jonathan Klein of Faith Action For Animals, an animal rights group, shot video outside a synagogue Thursday that outraged his membership.

“This is a ritual that has no obligation for any Jew to do,” Klein said. “I think Kaparot as a concept is wonderful, but when it involves using chickens, and it causes mass slaughter then we have a real problem, and it’s a problem for the whole community.”

Ohel Moshe congregants believe the ritual is misunderstood.

“They’re not just doing it and throwing it in the garbage can. They’re using this food; they’re giving it to poor people and they actually eat it,” Fred Cohen said.

But Klein’s group captured video of dozens of trash bags being loaded into trucks.

“We have visuals with the bodies of chickens in bags being thrown into a truck,” he added.

State officials said they are willing to work with the two locations cited for not having a proper license for killing the animals.


TOPICS: Worship
KEYWORDS: california; faithaction4animals; israel; jewishchickens; kaparot; losangeles
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1 posted on 09/14/2013 7:06:54 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
Freedom from religion.

Some folks think that's in the Constitution.

2 posted on 09/14/2013 7:13:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: BenLurkin

Most US officials are into beheading infidels instead.


3 posted on 09/14/2013 7:13:54 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of the Muslim Brotherhood))
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To: BenLurkin
is is a ritual that has no obligation for any Jew to do,” Klein said.

Interesting comment.

4 posted on 09/14/2013 7:15:18 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: BenLurkin
Nowadays it is common to substitute money wrapped in white cloth for the chicken. In this way Jews can participate in the custom without bringing harm to an animal.

I wonder if these officials ever visited a chicken killing operation of a chicken meat packing plant.

Just another way of government to "control" religion in the US. Now if the mussies had the same ritual imagine the hue and cry of anti-islam they'd hear. (yes, I know those words should be cap's but I wouldn't give them the satisfaction)

5 posted on 09/14/2013 7:35:53 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Reasonable anti-cruelty laws are, well, reasonable.

But yeah, there are probably worse transgressions they could be going after.


6 posted on 09/14/2013 7:39:31 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SkyDancer

Interesting.


7 posted on 09/14/2013 7:40:10 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: BenLurkin

Well, libs are losing the battle on circumcision, so now they’re going after chicken swingers. Typical.


8 posted on 09/14/2013 7:47:44 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: 9YearLurker

What’s wrong with killing an individual chicken by cutting its neck with a sharp knife or whacking its head off with an ax than putting it upside down in a metal tube on an assembly line with thousands of other chickens to have their heads cut off mechanically? Which is less cruel or more cruel?


9 posted on 09/14/2013 7:51:24 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: SkyDancer

I agree with that.

The swinging it over your head three times before the kill, however, is gratuitously cruel IMO.


10 posted on 09/14/2013 7:59:25 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: BenLurkin

I’m most concerned that the chicken would defecate while being whirled overhead.


11 posted on 09/14/2013 8:00:44 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: SkyDancer
Now if the mussies had the same ritual

Huh? They do.

12 posted on 09/14/2013 8:04:40 AM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: BenLurkin

“Swing the chicken and please my god!”

This has comedy and tragedy all over it.


13 posted on 09/14/2013 8:10:42 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: bigheadfred

Was being fatuous ......


14 posted on 09/14/2013 8:14:17 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: SkyDancer

Got it.


15 posted on 09/14/2013 8:19:29 AM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: miss marmelstein

How many babies die from abortion each day? And they are worried about chickens?


16 posted on 09/14/2013 8:19:59 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 9YearLurker

as a religious practice it is protected from governmental intrusion, providing for food enters health law and rules. when the animal has a brain the size of a democrat it probably thinks its last ride was fun.


17 posted on 09/14/2013 8:22:10 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: bdfromlv

Even as a religious practice it should NOT be exempt from animal cruelty laws.

Chickens are sweethearts and birds are smarter creatures than many people give them credit for.


18 posted on 09/14/2013 8:25:11 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: BenLurkin

Where is the Biblical basis for this?


19 posted on 09/14/2013 8:26:18 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: 9YearLurker

Sounds like a live-birth in an abortion clinic!


20 posted on 09/14/2013 8:29:02 AM PDT by mathurine
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To: BenLurkin

This is a totally humane way to give thanks to God and the chicken for it’s life and nurishment.

Reminds me of when I was a kid and we use to kill our chickens and rabbits.

We took great care to kill the animals quickly, efficiently, calming them before the act, so as not to spoil the meat.

It pained us greatly when we didn’t get it right the first time, which was rare.

In the case of the rabbits we would pet the rabbits and when they were calm wold take them by their hind quarters, hang them upside down and again calm them.

When they were finally calmed whoever was the henchman would use the Louisville Slugger #36 with great force downward and accurately.

This would kill the animal instantaly and the blood would let and no thrashing taking place as the animal was dead.

Personally, I never understood why people hang and animal upside down when gutting and skinning and gutting.

We hung it with the head up and let gravity help us out.

Dunno makes more sense to me.

Same thing with skinning fish. Most people will gut it and scrape it, which is fine if you are going to cook the whole of it. But, most just want the flesh for baking or frying and it made more sense to decapitate it, cut the meat from the top of the spine along the ribs and turning it over to repeat.

From there it’s simple to remove the innards and then cut what’s left in half.

If you need to skin it that’s simple enough but, when it comes to trout or small scale fish I just leave it on and eat the whole thing.

Of course with catfish or largemouth it’s probably best to remove it.

Yo Dos Centavos...


21 posted on 09/14/2013 8:38:15 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SkyDancer

I’ve been to chicken and Turkey operations in Oklahoma and Arkansas.

They are efficient and though less humane than how we harvested, I have no problem with the process and the birds don’t complain....


22 posted on 09/14/2013 8:39:59 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: BenLurkin

America’s chickens comin’ home to roost...


23 posted on 09/14/2013 8:43:28 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: SkyDancer

They are both efficient and humane.

Though the process done manually is more humane and less efficient.

I got no problem with either and if the consumer understood what happens to meat that is harvested in an inhumane manner they would agree.

In fact, I think it would be an object lesson to place to identical pieces of meat, processed, prepared and cooked in identical manners.

They will understand what the animal goes through when they bite the meat that was not harvested properly. Sucks, both in flavor, texture and one’s rightness for respecting life.


24 posted on 09/14/2013 8:46:16 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome
My grandad would tell me stories of him growing up in NYC (Queens) - he would go with his mom to a chicken store where there were live chickens there. She'd pick one out and he told me how they slit the chickens throat, dumped it in a boiling water bath and was defeathered by this large spinning drum. Wrapped it up, took it home and roasted it that evening.

Now with these "humane" groups you'd practically have to hold and pet and calm the animal before killing it. You really have to think of the expression "humanely kill" ....

25 posted on 09/14/2013 9:12:42 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: SkyDancer

Beheading chickens—bad.
Beheading PEOPLE by Muslims- ‘cultural diversity.’


26 posted on 09/14/2013 9:19:02 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

There ya go ....


27 posted on 09/14/2013 9:19:58 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks BenLurkin.


28 posted on 09/14/2013 11:03:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: BenLurkin

Read the old testament. Animal sacrifice was done on a regular basis. But hey this is California where anyone can do abortions now. So it’s okay to kill unborn babies, but don’t touch the chickens,


29 posted on 09/14/2013 2:36:32 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: BenLurkin

When i was about six years old my mother would just twirl the chicken and off would come its head, that scared the hell out of me so i used an axe and a chop block.


30 posted on 09/14/2013 5:59:38 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: James C. Bennett
No, you do not understand why this custom is done. It is done so that you FEEL the danger that your life is in, for the sins you have committed during the year. You are holding a living, breathing creature whose life will soon end. Just as this chicken will lose its life to become a meal for a poor person, YOU could lose your life just as easily if G-d decides your sins outweigh your deserving life for another year. There is nothing funny about it. It is supposed to be a solemn ritual and it is supposed to be done as humanely as possible. In lieu of using a live chicken, it is acceptable to place money in a scarf or similar cloth and wave that around your head instead.

This pseudo-rabbi who videotaped and publicized this has committed sins I won't even go into here. He is a reformed Jew who is as far to the left as is possible, and quite possibly not even a Jew according to Jewish law. His wife is (giggle, giggle) a "rabbi" of another local congregation.

This guy is on interfaith councils and is buddy-buddy with his local Muzzie clergy. He is more eager to please his environmentalist leftie loon masters than he is to observe Jewish law. So let him cease misleading his gullible congregants and turn to chicken farming, where he can do less harm.

When you are more concerned with chickens' welfare over that of peoples' souls, you are just pond scum.

31 posted on 09/14/2013 7:20:59 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

I repeat from #19, Where is the Biblical basis for this?

I thought there was to be no more animal sacrifice until The Temple is restored?


32 posted on 09/15/2013 7:38:55 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

This is not under the category of animal sacrifice. The chickens are not consumed by Heavenly fire, they are to be consumed by the poor. The whole point is feeling the living bird under your hand, being that close to the vital living organism, only to see that life taken from it and realizing it could be YOUR life being snuffed out so easily by G-d if you ignore His ways and commit more sins.


33 posted on 09/15/2013 11:04:09 AM PDT by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

I understand that, and sympathize with your POV, but only to that extent.

I’m an Old Testament guy, reasonably conversant in Torah having been through the parshiot and haftoros about 13 times now.

I think the same perspective could be obtained by visiting any kosher meat plant where conditions may be a tad more humane. As for the frailty of our lives, I think of the several million microbes I send down the drain each time I wash my hands. As biological are they not also creatures of God?

Not to make light of it though.

Israel means “struggle with God”. Islam means “submission”.

I’ll struggle. And some of that struggle has me wrestling with forms of primitivism in what I otherwise believe is a God given concept.

I think sometimes there’s too much modernity in there as well...which really makes me uncomfortable.


34 posted on 09/15/2013 2:34:33 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: BenLurkin

I’ll through some bread in water and make donations, thank you.


35 posted on 09/16/2013 12:48:55 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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36 posted on 09/16/2013 7:11:05 AM PDT by SJackson ( The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. BF)
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To: onedoug
Israel means “struggle with God”. Islam means “submission”.

Wow...I knew both of those definitions, but never saw them juxtaposed in that manner.

It is VERY insightful.
37 posted on 09/16/2013 7:35:42 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: 9YearLurker

Do the California officials understand that wringing a chicken’s neck is a rather traditional way of killing the bird?


38 posted on 09/16/2013 7:44:00 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: 9YearLurker

Swinging a chicken by its neck over your head DOES kill the chicken. That is the traditional way that chicken were killed before dunking them into boiling water and plucking them for food! My father used to do it and I watched.


39 posted on 09/16/2013 7:58:11 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Mr. Lucky; Ditter

That is not what is going on at these ceremonies:

http://www.chabad.org/holidays/JewishNewYear/template_cdo/aid/989585/jewish/Kaparot.htm


40 posted on 09/16/2013 7:59:21 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: BenLurkin
“This is a ritual that has no obligation for any Jew to do,” Klein said. “I think Kaparot as a concept is wonderful, but when it involves using chickens, and it causes mass slaughter then we have a real problem, and it’s a problem for the whole community.”

If this is their religious practice, then leave them alone. It's not like we don't kill billions of chickens every single year.

The government has no business telling them how to conduct their religion until they start sacrificing people, the way liberals do babies.

41 posted on 09/16/2013 8:02:52 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: 9YearLurker
The difference would appear to be that when I kill a chicken for non-religious reasons, it's perfectly OK to wring its neck, when Jews kill a chicken for religious reasons, wringing the chicken's neck is verboten.
42 posted on 09/16/2013 8:06:30 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: BenLurkin
ancient ritual in which a person swings a live chicken overhead three times and recites a prayer.

Soooo... Anyone who has killed a chicken grabs them by the feet and whips them around a few times before setting the head on the chopping block - it settles the bird, it is dizzy and disoriented, so it is still on the block for a moment, and the killing blow can be administered accurately...

So what is the terrible difference in this ritual, the prayer?

43 posted on 09/16/2013 8:10:33 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: BenLurkin
We live a little north west of there and were on the way home that weekend. Protesters passed out fliers and this was before this made national news.
One protester was I think a Korean eating a dog sandwich protesting the killing of chickens.

Meanwhile California attempts to allow nurses only to abort babies. So our policy will be national outrage over dead chickens, but far more access to slaughter human babies.
Warped world IMO.

44 posted on 09/16/2013 8:13:42 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: 9YearLurker
Did you read all of your link?

>>”It is of utmost importance to treat the chickens humanely” >>>>>> They are waving the chickens over their head symbolic of wringing their necks.

What I told you is the original way to kill a chicken for food on the farm. It is quick and humane. The first swing (not wave) and the chicken's neck is broken and it is dead.
My father would then pull the chickens head off, my mother would cut it off with a knife.

If this offends you then you should stay off the farm and buy your chickens at the meat market.

45 posted on 09/16/2013 8:14:10 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

Hey pal, I grew up on a farm and we raised and slaughtered chickens.

Did you read the link? They are not killing the birds as they swing them nine times in total over their heads. The slaughter is done afterwards. The claim is that somehow by holding and swinging the birds by their wings it is less traumatic for them than swinging them by their feet. They are most clearly not swinging them by their necks.

Going down to see the slaughter of animals that are eaten for meat is probably a good thing to do (though gross, yes) in terms of keeping them grounded and appreciative.

Subjecting the birds to all those do si dos is just unnecessary and unkind.


46 posted on 09/16/2013 8:30:09 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Good grief! Let’s not scare the chickens!


47 posted on 09/16/2013 9:49:54 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: BenLurkin

He’ll really get upset when the Temple is up and running.


48 posted on 09/16/2013 10:15:45 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: SkyDancer

Well, one is taxed, while the other is not.

The non-taxed version must, of course be stopped.


49 posted on 09/16/2013 10:16:52 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: BenLurkin

First they wanted to stop circumcision. Now they want to stop chicken flicking. We are on a slippery slope. The next big libtard campaign is going to be very sharp knife control.

I can see it now:

I have no objection to using knives for legitimate culinary purposes, such as spreading peanut butter on bread or carving turkeys on Thanksgiving. I enjoy watching those sushi chefs do their stuff. But when it comes to ritual mutilation of perfectly good penises, or slaughtering innocent birds, or gangland fights, we have to draw the line somewhere, and we already outlawed guns (we didn’t do that yet? oh, damn. I’m premature).


50 posted on 09/16/2013 2:39:13 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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