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Vaticanís number 2: Priest celibacy up for discussion
The Daily Caller ^ | September 12, 2013 | Caroline May

Posted on 09/14/2013 9:37:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: smvoice; annalex; metmom

I shudder every time I see them post comparisons to somehow lesson the blow to their beloved “church”. On the one hand they try to tell us it’s the “on holy church” then on the other hand compare to non religious organizations and institutions. Duplicity again.


61 posted on 09/15/2013 3:22:43 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

** lesson the blow **

LOL!

Is that the first lesson or the 100th lesson?


62 posted on 09/15/2013 3:29:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom; annalex

Maybe they think our attention span is so short we won’t remember what they’ve said before. Or the feigned ignorance they display. I pray to God it’s “feigned” and not real. I pray to God we could get a straight answer from them once in a while, too...


63 posted on 09/15/2013 3:31:38 PM PDT by smvoice (The 2 greatest days of your life: the day you're born. And the day you discover why.)
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To: Salvation

I simply don’t count any more. I just listen to God and realize He must have someone reading this stuff that needs it at the time. God only knows whether these preachers of “another gospel” will see the light but I’m thinking there are others who read these that He knows need it.


64 posted on 09/15/2013 3:47:26 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: smvoice

Talk to someone who works with ex cult members to find out how deeply ingrained the cult teachings become. Then think if God has given them over how impossible it is.


65 posted on 09/15/2013 3:49:42 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Salvation

It seems clear that you can’t post the quotes from the sources that can show us that fathers and Christian leaders are the “the most probable pedophiles”.

Posting links that don’t prove your claim doesn’t address anything, it only proves that you need to quit making it up.


66 posted on 09/15/2013 3:54:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet. Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: ansel12

The sources are in the links.


67 posted on 09/15/2013 3:59:12 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
The most probable pedophiles in order are:
Fathers and other male relatives
Teachers
Coaches
Protestant ministers

No they aren't Salvation, where are the statistics to give "fathers" your top billing as "pedophiles" and where are the statistics by jobs that lists Christian ministers as the third most likely profession in America for pedophiles?

Show me the proof for those two claims.

Do you have issues with fatherhood that make you want to spread that false claim on the internet?

68 posted on 09/15/2013 5:14:01 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet. Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: Neidermeyer

Okiedokie.


69 posted on 09/15/2013 5:15:25 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: ansel12

Lots of graphs and statistics that prove my point.

Remember I worked in the child care industry, so I am familiar with this since I underwent a lot of training in this area.

http://www.childhelp.org/pages/statistics/

http://www.a-team.org/child_abuse_statistics.html

http://www.rainn.org/statistics


70 posted on 09/15/2013 6:28:41 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Read post 68 again, you have to quit making false claims and then posting endless links that don’t prove them at all.

Where are the statistics to give “fathers” your top billing as “pedophiles” and where are the statistics by jobs that lists Christian ministers as the third most likely profession in America for pedophiles?

Show me the proof for those two claims.

Do you have issues with fatherhood that make you want to spread that false claim on the internet?


71 posted on 09/15/2013 6:36:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet. Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: Salvation; ansel12

You’re saying FATHERS and other male relatives are the most likely to abuse and yet from your link.......

http://www.a-team.org/child_abuse_statistics.html

“The safest family environment for a child is a home in which the biological parents are married. Contrary to current theory about the effects of marriage on children, recent research demonstrates that marriage provides a safe environment for all family members, one in which child abuse and fatality are lowered dramatically.”

I read your links and NOWHERE does it indicate that a child’s father is more likely to abuse. For that matter, there is no breakdown by category of father, uncle, cousin, step-brother, or whatever, so the claim is specious at best.

You’ll need to provide better statistics if you want to continue to slander fathers.


72 posted on 09/15/2013 6:55:41 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: annalex
The record of the Church in dealing with sex abuse by clergy is better than the public schools, sports teams at colleges, or Protestant institutions, it is just that because we are Catholics, the world hates us, as Christ told us it would.


73 posted on 09/15/2013 6:58:05 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: RitaOK
So well put, thanks:
"Self control, sacrifice and offering of the priesthood, by the priest, sets them apart in this world.

The Enemy is jealous of such men, wishing accordingly to devour them and bring division to the Church, wherever there is an opening."


74 posted on 09/15/2013 7:27:44 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Salvation

Hopefully there are still some who would look at the information in your links; I certainly appreciate them.

I think these threads now are almost - if not completely - devoid of non-Catholics who would look at facts objectively.

If one’s religion absolutely requires one to be anti-Catholic, there is little choice: any contrary facts must be avoided.

It’s an amalgam of religions defined by “Not Catholic.” Doesn’t matter much whatever else it teaches so long as its Not Catholic. Could be any manner of heresy, but as long as they’re Not Catholic..

Maybe half a dozen of ‘em left - or a dozen at most. Totally and obsessively defining themselves by what they are not.


75 posted on 09/15/2013 7:41:06 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: servantboy777

I said “especially acute.”

The Catholic Church’s record on sexual abuse is not markedly worse, and is markedly better, than many other institutions.


76 posted on 09/15/2013 7:44:53 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: D-fendr

:)


77 posted on 09/15/2013 8:12:23 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: D-fendr

Perhaps you can find in those irrelevant links the answer to post 68?

You seem to be saying that you did.


78 posted on 09/15/2013 8:36:37 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: ansel12

Does it really matter?


79 posted on 09/15/2013 9:40:50 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Does it matter?

Where are the statistics to give “fathers” your top billing as “pedophiles” and where are the statistics by jobs that lists Christian ministers as the third most likely profession in America for pedophiles?

Do you have issues with fatherhood that make you want to spread that false claim on the internet?

What is it about some here that has them want to tell lies about fatherhood?


80 posted on 09/15/2013 9:50:35 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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