Posted on 09/16/2013 11:56:33 AM PDT by NYer
God does not need our money, time or talents. His perfect will is accomplished without any contribution on man’s part.
However, a christian with a transformed heart sees that every part of his life belongs to God. Our money, our talents and our time here is all God’s.
So how do we look on something that is a cost when everything we receive is a gift from God?
This is a sarcasm thread, right? Look at the conspicuous wealth of the Roman CC and you cannot ask this question with a straight face.
If one things the Church has too much wealth, the Christian is still not off the hook as long as the following verses are relevant:
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
I would say this “transformed heart” must exist outside of a a vacuum, and beyond the prayer closet. Love is visible and sacrificial.
If, for example, it isn’t seen, does it exist?
God was seen and heard to give a Command or two, which means we are called to exhibit meaningful and visible obedience. Our obedience is our witness. It always costs something, because loving God is not without value.
Something that cost nothing is valueless to both the giver and the receiver.
If God is giving me my daily bread won't he give me enough to share with the poor? The portion I receive is not my bread to begin with.
I know, and just look at how conspicuous God was with all those exacting and elaborate commands for His tabernacle and His specs just for His temple (not to mention the those precious metal “statues” and all). And the nerve, to actually designate a particular tribe for the priesthood, and then all those priceless gems and stones to be sewn onto those priestly robes. It is outrageous,!
God’s commands can be so so over the top and conspicuous.
/snark
I have been doing business with a big name camera store in NY. Owned and managed by Orthodox Jewish people. (I’m not.) They respect the Jewish calender and Sabbath times. It has never been a problem to do business with them and I respect them for sticking to their principals.
Chic-Fil-A reports no loss of business for Sunday Closings.
Not if you don’t give it. Does your daily bread mean anything to you? Chances are that it does mean something to you, and you are thankful. Thanksgiving to God for your bread is a gesture of our love for Him, and that love was a choice. It made you a Christian.
Well, you have this part of the post right. The rest displays a bad case of successionalism. The believers in Jesus are not a replacement for Israel, the nation. But, even if we were, read Paul's letter to the Hebrews (and Romans and Galatians) and you will notice that all the trappings of the Law are gone.
The position you take, however, displays the error of sacerdotalism, papalism, absolution, sacraments, confession and a whole host of Roman errors. None of this is part of the New Covenant of grace in Jesus, through faith infused by God in the elect chosen before the foundation of the world. You may wish to read the Book your organization pretends to have delivered to the world. They don't even follow it themselves.
Garghlgag. Limited is as limited does.
Now, off with you, to resume your intellectual preening exercise in the confines of your theological limited universe.
Let us each be known by our God for our fruits, and tremble. There is a place for we arrogant and self righteous, thought wise in our own eyes.
The provision for worship in the initial tent of meeting was not done with the law. They were willing heart offerings:
Exodus 35:20 Then the whole Israelite community withdrew from Moses’ presence, 21 and everyone who was willing and whose heart moved them came and brought an offering to the Lord for the work on the tent of meeting, for all its service, and for the sacred garments.
Further, God had provided them with what was needed to supply his request
Exodus 12: The Israelites did as Moses instructed and asked the Egyptians for articles of silver and gold and for clothing. 36 The Lord had made the Egyptians favorably disposed toward the people, and they gave them what they asked for; so they plundered the Egyptians.
Hebrews is actually addressing one main point: How can we keep the Torah if the Temple is destroyed? The answer is that the Scriptures always prophesied another priesthood which, though superior in many respects, is distinct from the Levitical priesthood. The Levitical priesthood serves the copy, while the priest like Melkizedek serves in the Heavenly Temple. While it is impossible at present to carry out the earthly sacrifices, those have been covered for us by a superior Sacrifice. Therefore, those elements of Torah which don't require an earthly Temple (such as the Sabbath) may still be carried out--and should be (Heb. 4:9-10).
This doesn't negate Galatians, of course. In Galatians, Paul is telling Gentiles that they don't have to become Jews in order to take part in the Covenant. In Hebrews, he (or one of his disciples) is dealing with a purely Jewish issue. Sadly, failure to understand the distinct issues has resulted in the Church presenting as false a gospel to the Jews as the Judaizers presented to the Gentiles: "You can be saved if you believe in Jesus Christ . . . and stop being Jewish (i.e., keeping Torah)!"
Having said all that, back to the core issue in the article: Yes, it is right that houses of worship be supported, and even be beautiful. Yes, it is true that the refusal to put one's money where one's mouth is in regards to faith is an endemic problem in our culture.
On the other hand, how many priests, ministers, and rabbis who currently draw a salary from their assemblies would be willing to put their money where their mouths are and build tents for a living? And how many assemblies misuse their parishoner's money and build up material goods for themselves to an excessive degree?
There are two sides to this problem, and both need to be dealt with.
Shalom.
**As I write this, it is a Sunday afternoon and quite literally billions of dollars and millions of hours have been spent today in an obsession known as “football,” a game having to do with the movement of a bag full of air on a field.**
To me, sometimes, it seems that people value sports and life-style rather than God.
The Catholic Church isn’t really wealthy. There were figures on one thread about just meeting the expenses. That should be the case for all congregations.
**Chic-Fil-A reports no loss of business for Sunday Closings.**
Good point. Remember when all the stores were closed on Sunday, except for the drugstore and grocery store?
Romans 12:1-2 I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Of course, the homemade (and unlimited) theology of Rome allows for every made-up concept which a group fancies. They end up with indulgences, genuflecting, rosaries, candles, icons, and a host of other extra-biblical contraptions. Again, none of it advisable, but all of enjoyed by those who love "religion". We invite you to consider Jesus, alone, by grace through faith...if you are among the elect.
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