Skip to comments.British Girl Guides abolish mention of God in oath, force Christian group to conform
Posted on 09/17/2013 1:33:57 PM PDT by Morgana
Bishop Michael Nazir Ali, a Church of England former bishop of Rochester, has condemned a recent move by the British Girl Guides to abolish mention of God in their oath and force a small group of Christian dissenters to conform.
Girlguiding UK announced in June that members would no longer mention God or country in the oath, but pledge to be true to myself and develop my beliefs, and serve the community. Although the decision brought in a record 839 complaints, the organisation has refused to back down, saying that mention of God was deterring new members. The change was brought about with the support of the National Secular Society after a complaint by an atheist Guide leader, Jem Henderson. The Girl Guide and Brownie oath has mentioned God for over 100 years. But that is all set to change in the name of "inclusivity."
In August, a group of Christian Girl Guide and Brownie leaders in North Yorkshire objected to the new wording, saying that Guiding had always had God at its core, but were told by the Guide leadership they had to conform or risk being expelled from the organisation.
Bishop Nazir-Ali said, If there are others like this group indeed I would hope that there are many others like it why should they not be allowed to continue to have a reference to God?
If these people really believe in diversity they would allow them to do that. Why should they face expulsion from the Girl Guides movement which is rooted in the Christian faith?
The small group, based at St. Pauls United Reformed Church in Harrogate, said in a letter addressed to the rest of the Guides, The spiritual aspect is recognised in Girlguiding and God has been part of the promise since it was founded. The divine is fundamental to everything it stands for. No one need join Girlguiding, so removing the reference to God in the interests of inclusivity removes much of what we stand for.
A week after the Yorkshire group published their letter, they announced they had agreed to the new wording after meeting with Girlguide leadership. Gil Slocombe, Chief Guide, told media, they had supported the objectors into understanding that the change is intended to embrace all girls, those with a faith belief and those without.
Slocombe said the group had agreed to start using the new oath as of September 1st.
Henderson wrote on her blog, We live in a society where [a significant proportion] of people say that they are agnostic or atheist, it is good that the Guiding movement themselves have recognised this.
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It is just unfortunate that there are little bastions left of people who are actually wrong about the Guiding movement they think it is based on God but actually it is based on girls.
This is the first major change to the Guide oath in 104 years. The Girl Guiding movement, part of the Scouting movement, was founded in 1909 by Robert Baden-Powell, who made duty to God a core concept in Scouting. In the worldwide Scouting movement, this principle is interpreted variously in different countries, but all organisations recognise it.
Either way let that one girl say the oath with out the word "God" and "Country" alone!
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If they don’t like the way this is heading they could take a hint from what’s developing in the USA with respect to the old Boy Scouts and the new explicitly Christian Trail Scouts (who have decided that they will not be Tail Scouts). The precipitating issue may be different here, but the principle is the same. Don’t tolerate the torpedoing of God’s blessings just for the sake of being “inclusive.”
We can object under the fact their “inclusivity” is just a sham to get God out of the oath, because now their “inclusivity” is excluding the Christians.
And that somehow is acceptable to do.
This is open hostility towards the religious. Particularly the Christians. they never pull this crap on any other faith, especially muslims. They don’t want their asses handed to them.
Agreed... If it were me (unfair, because girls are supposed to be more polite) I could say that they "forced" me to use foul language when I cursed them out.
So in an effort to be inclusive they have excluded God. Double speak.
What will really happen is Christian girl guides will be forced to conform to liberal secularism or leave.
Interesting. Here in the US, roughly two-thirds of all Boy Scout troops are associated with Mormons and non-religious groups, one-sixth are associated with Catholics and Methodists, and another one-sixth are shared across all other Protestant groups.
I understand the Boy and Girl Scouts in the UK are okay with sex in the tents,
She could start her own group
with mormons embracing the homo movement, that is a bad thing
Where did you hear that?
I work in International Scouting and that's not my experience at all.
Gerry I did not know this and honestly that just takes all the fun out of scouting.
but pledge to be true to myself and develop my beliefs, and serve the community. Although the decision brought in a record 839 complaints, the organisation has refused to back down,
That is as long as being true to yourself does not include being a Christian and you do not develop a belief in God.
Just attended Denver School of Nursing graduation and the “Nightengale Pledge” has been “updated” to omit God and mention of living a life in purity or “not knowingly administer any harmful drug.”
Pretty disgusting actually.
They should enjoy being girls before islamists bring the burqa and the sword.