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Will the pope OK married priests?
Bonfire of the Vanities ^ | September 18, 2013 | FR MARTIN FOX

Posted on 09/18/2013 3:41:28 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 09/18/2013 3:41:28 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

No.


2 posted on 09/18/2013 3:45:34 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
I posted the following comment to the thread.


The subject of married priests is one raised only last weekend at my Maronite Catholic parish. As a Roman Catholic, practicing my faith in an Eastern Catholic Church, I was prepared for the question.

In October 2005, Cardinal Sfeir, (then) Patriarch of the Maronite Church, addressed this topic at the 11th General Synod Fathers, gathered for their eighth meeting at the Vatican. The Cardinal defended the practice of the celibate priesthood and discussed the beauty of the tradition, calling it the "most precious jewel in the treasury of the Catholic Church."

While pointing out that "the Maronite Church admits married priests" and that "half of our diocesan priests are married", the Cardinal Patriarch said that "it must be recognized that if admitting married men resolves one problem, it creates others just as serious."

"A married priest", he said, "has the duty to look after his wife and family, ensuring his children receive a good education and overseeing their entry into society. ... Another difficulty facing a married priest arises if he does not enjoy a good relationship with his parishioners; his bishop cannot transfer him because of the difficulty of transferring his whole family.

He noted that "married priests have perpetuated the faith among people whose difficult lives they shared, and without them this faith would no longer exist."

"On the other hand," he said, "celibacy is the most precious jewel in the treasury of the Catholic Church,"

It should be pointed out that the Maronite Catholic Church, in respect of priestly celibacy practiced by the Latin Church, only sends celibate priests to serve outside of Lebanon. Our pastor is a celibate priest and missionary, and member of a monastic community.

Once this information had been conveyed, the visiting RC caught on very quickly, saying he had never considered these other aspects and the ramifications they would have on a local parish. For the most part, here in the US, parish communities are much smaller than their Latin Rite counterparts. We can barely support a celibate priest, much less one that is married with children.


It should also be noted that with regard to married priests, the process is to marry first. Essentially, a married man with a wife and family applies to become a priest. The marriage is carefully scrutinized so as not to give scandal. Ultimately, the marriage vow precedes that of the priest; hence, the family is the primary responsibility, not the parish.

3 posted on 09/18/2013 3:45:53 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Roman Catholics already have married priests.

When a Orthodox clergy or Church of England clergy converts to Catholic, he is normally permitted to be a Roman Catholic priest, and to retain his wife, if he has one.


4 posted on 09/18/2013 3:51:38 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: NYer

The pope is confusing me. He states that homos won’t go to hell and you really don’t have to believe in God and is now considering priests getting married. Will he allow them to wed nuns, other priests. I’m not being sarcastic, I am really confused


5 posted on 09/18/2013 3:52:07 PM PDT by shadeaud (Stay Thirsty My Friends)
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To: shadeaud

What the press says the pope says is not necessarily what the pope says.

Perhaps they’re accurate, but don’t bet on it.


6 posted on 09/18/2013 3:57:10 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NYer

Reminds me of the south park episode where they mistranslated the word “celebrate”


7 posted on 09/18/2013 3:57:52 PM PDT by jrg
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To: NYer; donmeaker

Even if the disciplined was relaxed, currently unmarried priests would not be able to get married. They have already made their vows.


8 posted on 09/18/2013 3:58:07 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: shadeaud
The pope is confusing me. He states that homos won’t go to hell and you really don’t have to believe in God and is now considering priests getting married. Will he allow them to wed nuns, other priests. I’m not being sarcastic, I am really confused

You come across as more sarcastic than confused. Sorry. Just being honest.

Catholic Answers

9 posted on 09/18/2013 4:01:19 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: NYer

Dating Priests,
Divorced Priests,
Roaming Priests,

....what could go wrong?


10 posted on 09/18/2013 4:06:01 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: G Larry

lol! It THIS isn’t a future Oprah episode, I don’t know what is..


11 posted on 09/18/2013 4:08:23 PM PDT by smvoice (The 2 greatest days of your life: the day you're born. And the day you discover why.)
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To: NYer

The whole question is moot since there were no priests in the Christian church to marry or not marry.


12 posted on 09/18/2013 4:20:31 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: NYer

I doubt it; however, I think he had a girlfriend and was in love before he decided to become a priest. In some of the eastern rites, priests do marry, but most of the parishes are small and don’t require as much time. It must be very costly for the parish to support a priest and his family.


13 posted on 09/18/2013 4:20:39 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: NYer
With all due respect to the Pope, people really need to consider what the Holy Bible says about this issue. And Apostle Paul had been inspired to write 1 Timothy 3:1-5 (I'm looking at KJV).

3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife (emphasis added), vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) (emphasis added)

And unless God "repealed" that passage, I don't know why the Roman Catholic Church prohibits priests from marrying.

Insights, corrections welcome.

14 posted on 09/18/2013 4:22:37 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: shadeaud

But that does beg the question, why is nobody asking about nuns getting married? Doesn’t it at least warrant discussion? If it is that crucial for men, it should also at least be considered for women.


15 posted on 09/18/2013 4:25:06 PM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: G Larry

The question the Pope of Rome is raising is, as the article amply pointed out, whether the discipline peculiar to the Latin Rite, might be replaced with the normal practice of the Eastern Churches, both us Orthodox and the Uniates: priests may not marry, but married men may be ordained to the priesthood.

In Eastern usage, ordination to the priesthood, or even the diaconate, requires the consent of the wife. Either married couples embark in the route toward the husband’s ordination together, or an unmarried man, who does not wish to embrace life-long celibacy, having completed seminary, waits (usually as a reader, since in Russian usage, even subdeacons may not marry) until he finds an marries a woman who wants to be a presbytera (or matushka or khouria, depending on which Old Country language you favor) who wishes to marry him, marries, and is ordained.
Very often daughters of priests find the idea of living less fully immersed in the rhythm of church life than they were while growing up unappealing, and if celibacy and a monastic profession not for them, try to marry seminarians before their ordination.


16 posted on 09/18/2013 4:37:03 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Burkean

The male analogue of a nun is a monk, not a priest. And no one (with any sense) is advovating or even considering letting priests marry — that is universally forbidden by ancient canons. The discussion is solely whether married men ought be ordained to the priesthood, as they are in the Eastern Churches and your Anglican Ordinariate, in the Latin rite generally.


17 posted on 09/18/2013 4:39:55 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: donmeaker
When a Orthodox clergy or Church of England clergy converts to Catholic, he is normally permitted to be a Roman Catholic priest, and to retain his wife, if he has one.

Not related to this discussion which is to life celibacy as a discipline in for seminarians in the Latin Church.

18 posted on 09/18/2013 4:42:00 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: shadeaud
The pope is confusing me. He states that homos won’t go to hell and you really don’t have to believe in God and is now considering priests getting married. Will he allow them to wed nuns, other priests. I’m not being sarcastic, I am really confused

Priest, be they Latin or Eastern Rite may NEVER marry. The discussion is about lifting the discipline of celibacy for seminarians.

19 posted on 09/18/2013 4:43:47 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

“Will the Pope give up the whole ‘religion’ thing and embrace communism?”

Seriously, where do they come up with this stuff?


20 posted on 09/18/2013 4:50:30 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: Burkean; shadeaud
But that does beg the question, why is nobody asking about nuns getting married?

For the same reason that priests may not marry.

There seems to be much confusion over this topic. Priestly celibacy is a discipline. Were it to be lifted, married men could apply to become priests. Note the difference.

With regard to women's religious communities, certain communities offer married women the opportunity to participate as members of a "third" order. These women do not join the convent but serve in a different capacity.

21 posted on 09/18/2013 4:54:33 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: Coleus
In some of the eastern rites, priests do marry ...

WRONG! In some of the Eastern Churches, married men may apply to become priests. BIG difference. Once accepted, should their wife die, they may not remarry.

22 posted on 09/18/2013 4:56:30 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

It addresses the title, “Will the Pope OK Married Priests?”

They already have. Oddly, Baptists, Episcopalians, Presbyterians and Methodists seem to manage married clergy.

Sure, they get the occasional crank, but they recruit fewer pederasts.


23 posted on 09/18/2013 5:02:13 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: Burkean

because the nuns are lesbians...


24 posted on 09/18/2013 5:03:20 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: The_Reader_David

ya...one of our Parish Priests is a married former Episcopalian.


25 posted on 09/18/2013 5:25:12 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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"The pope is confusing me. He states that homos won’t go to hell and you really don’t have to believe in God and is now considering priests getting married. Will he allow them to wed nuns, other priests."

Dear shadeaud, I’m glad you're not being sarcastic, because you are really confused! Everything you mentioned in that paragraph is untrue!

The Pope didn't say that "homos won't go to hell" --- that is, if they engage in the sin of sodomy and don't repent, they will (like any other unrepentant sinner.) He did say that if a man just has an unbidden attraction to other men (a homosexual temptation) he won't be "judged" a sinner if he does not give in to the temptation, and does not sin! Make sense?

He also didn't say that you don't have to believe in God. In that much misquoted letter which he sent to the atheist editor of La Reppublica, Pope Francis said "You [the atheist he was writing to] can be saved if you turn to Him with a sincere and contrite heart."

It's possible that part wasn't quoted in whatever garbled version of it you might have read. The secular press tends to cut out that kind of thing.

Third, neither the Pope nor any other knowledgeable person in the Church ever said that "priests will be allowed to get married." That is NOT possible. Once a priest has made a vow of celibacy, he is not an 'eligible bachelor'!

As this article points out, in some of the Eastern Catholic Churches (e.g. the Maronites and Melkites in Lebanon, the Chaldeans in Iraq, etc.) they already have the practice that married men can become priests. In that order: first marry, then be ordained as a priest. But not in the reverse order: priest, then marry. That ain't happening. Nor has, never will!

It aggravates me that the Pope is so much misquoted, and so misconstrued. It means people like myself have to go around correcting the record,

"This is what he said!"
and
"This is what he didn't say!!"
all over the blogosphere.

:`:`sigh:`:`

Any questions? Tagline.


26 posted on 09/18/2013 5:41:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The problem ain't what folks don't know. It's what they DO know, that ain't so!" - Will Rogers)
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To: G Larry

That’s why priests can’t get married.


27 posted on 09/18/2013 5:42:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The problem ain't what folks don't know. It's what they DO know, that ain't so!" - Will Rogers)
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To: Amendment10; NYer
The Catholic Church in the West (Latin Rite) has a celibate priesthood. In the 21 Churches of the East (Melkite, Maronite, Chaldean, Byzantine, etc.) married men are often ordained priests.

Roman Catholicism has married deacons. In fact, we have more married deacons in the US (14,000) than we have priests in religious orders like the Jesuits and the Franciscans (13,000).

If a man wanted to have the vows of Holy Orders AND the vows of matrimony, after he was married he could become an Eastern Rite priest or he could be an ordained deacon.

Or, o the other hand, he might have a vocation as a celibate Latin priest. Whatever his calling is (married or celibate, laity or clergy), it is a special gift from God.

It's all a matter of what his calling is from the Lord. St. Paul, who wrote that excellent description of what the qualifications of a bishop should be (in the Letter to Timothy) is also the one who also recommended celibacy:

"It is well for a man not to touch a woman.... I wish that all were [unmarried] as I myself am. But each has his own special gift from God, one of one kind and one of another (1 Cor. 7:1,7).

That's good Scriptural advice, isn't it?

28 posted on 09/18/2013 5:55:06 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The problem ain't what folks don't know. It's what they DO know, that ain't so!" - Will Rogers)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Amendment10; Coleus

Excellent. Very well expressed! To compliment your treatise, I would like to point out that the Eastern Churches also have celibate priests. Our pastor initially intended to marry before becoming a priest. In the process of his discernment, he felt a strong calling to live a monastic life as a missionary. That led him to enter the Maronite Lebanese Missionary community and be ordained as a celibate priest. He now serves as pastor in a small Maronite parish in the US.


29 posted on 09/18/2013 6:05:59 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Pope Francis said "You [the atheist he was writing to] can be saved if you turn to Him with a sincere and contrite heart."

That quote always kind of puzzles me. Doesn't it mean the atheist isn't an atheist anymore? How else could one turn to Him in whom the atheist doesn't believe exists? I conclude that atheists who remain atheists probably won't be saved but those who do not might well be (in other words, same as what we have believed all along).

30 posted on 09/18/2013 6:07:43 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: donmeaker
Sure, they get the occasional crank, but they recruit fewer pederasts.

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

31 posted on 09/18/2013 6:08:06 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

And these are the ones people know about.


32 posted on 09/18/2013 6:12:56 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I suppose a priest could be defrocked, marry, and then become a priest again.

Did Martin Luther do that?


33 posted on 09/18/2013 6:14:51 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: count-your-change
The whole question is moot since there were no priests in the Christian church to marry or not marry.

WOW, thanks for setting us straight....the priests and bishops of the first 500 years of Christianity thank you for clearing this up!!!

34 posted on 09/18/2013 6:21:53 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Burkean
But that does beg the question, why is nobody asking about nuns getting married? Doesn’t it at least warrant discussion? If it is that crucial for men, it should also at least be considered for women

priests , parish priests, live alone in a (usually) parish owned rectory...house..Nuns, on the other hand, usually live in communities with other nuns....hard to slip a husband in there!!!

35 posted on 09/18/2013 6:26:02 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: terycarl

The Scriptures say nothing about a priesthood in the Christian church.


36 posted on 09/18/2013 6:28:11 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: donmeaker
Sure, they get the occasional crank, but they recruit fewer pederasts.

wrong

37 posted on 09/18/2013 6:29:21 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: donmeaker
because the nuns are lesbians...

it never fails to amaze me how asinine some people can be....pathetic

38 posted on 09/18/2013 6:31:20 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: count-your-change
The Scriptures say nothing about a priesthood in the Christian church

scripture also says nothing about a legitimate protestant organization within the Christian chuch either.

39 posted on 09/18/2013 6:39:45 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: terycarl

Not relevant to the point. There were no priests in the Christian church therefore nothing in Scripture about such a priesthood.


40 posted on 09/18/2013 6:49:01 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: shadeaud

Well that’s not what he said but your right it can be confusing.


41 posted on 09/18/2013 6:54:48 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: shadeaud

You may be confused, but I don’t think it’s the fault of Pope Francis.


42 posted on 09/18/2013 6:57:26 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Amendment10

Afraid to look up filthy lucre.


43 posted on 09/18/2013 7:00:21 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Burkean

Penis rules I guess.


44 posted on 09/18/2013 7:01:22 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: terycarl
Some of them are.Hold your ears or best not to post here.I know a woman who left a convent,won 100 mil I think and confessed to her husband and children she was a lesbian.Somehow the family stayed together.I was a little involved with helping the son.He was crushed.
45 posted on 09/18/2013 7:16:11 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Jvette

Yes it is.Being simple can be complicated.He is new and will learn.


46 posted on 09/18/2013 7:18:04 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: terycarl

So are you complaining that I left the /sarc tag off?


47 posted on 09/18/2013 7:36:02 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: steve86
That's right. Nobody can reject Jesus Christ at the end, and be saved. Rejecting your only rescuer, is the same as refusing to be rescued!
48 posted on 09/19/2013 2:57:21 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The problem ain't what folks don't know. It's what they DO know, that ain't so!" - Will Rogers)
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To: donmeaker

I don’t think Martin Luther became a priest again.


49 posted on 09/19/2013 2:58:31 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The problem ain't what folks don't know. It's what they DO know, that ain't so!" - Will Rogers)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Which was my point.


50 posted on 09/19/2013 4:45:21 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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