Skip to comments.Pope Bluntly Faults Church’s Focus on Gays and Abortion
Posted on 09/19/2013 8:46:24 AM PDT by Alter Kaker
Pope Francis, in the first extensive interview of his six-month-old papacy, said that the Roman Catholic church had grown obsessed with preaching about abortion, gay marriage and contraception, and that he has chosen not to speak of those issues despite recriminations from some critics.
In remarkably blunt language, Francis sought to set a new tone for the church, saying it should be a home for all and not a small chapel focused on doctrine, orthodoxy and a limited agenda of moral teachings.
It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time, the pope told the Rev. Antonio Spadaro, a fellow Jesuit and editor in chief of La Civiltà Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit journal whose content is routinely approved by the Vatican. The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The churchs pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently.
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Non habemus papam.
Obsessed???? I haven’t heard a PEEP from a Priest for years and years!!!
Ping for later
He has choosen to to talk about homosexuality, what?
Seems like he talks about it a lot.
If a church cannot talk about sin, doesn’t seem like they are much of a church.
can’t we all just get along?
There is no longer any safety in swimming the Tiber.
Hmmmm...maybe old St Malachy was right after all. I’m very quickly losing confidence in our new pope.
I still consider Benedict XVI to be my pope.
Well, ours does (Latin Mass Priest) and the majority of priests in this state were outspoken against the new marriage perversion law. In addition they regularly speak of pro-life issues. THIS IS WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING and I have to wonder if St. Malachy is going to make a resurgence with respect to this pope!
Can the ill-translation apologists defend this one???
Yes, I was a little rough on Cardinal Ratzinger on another thread for some of his statements on Fatima but as pope, he did and does lead my church.
It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time,Pope sounds harangued by the Liberal MSM and is attempting an end run around them.
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
I can’t remember the last time I heard ANYTHING about homosexuals, contraception, or abortion from the Pulpit. It’s been many years, if not decades.
All I hear is ‘social justice’ and ‘fairness’ to the (illegal) immigrant and redistribution of wealth and how the nation’s ills are caused by ‘fat cats’ on Wall St. while giving no consideration to the corruption in government.
He must be referring to European churches.
Those who "promote" abortion and sodomy should be rebuked and put out of the church. This isn't a starting point but only after the person is shown the error of their ways. Politicians in the US particularly thumb their nose at church doctrine and they continue to "fellowship" even though they are living in darkness.
The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The churchs pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently.Puts things in a different light, doesn't it? Regardless, the pope is speaking of how best to address these issues pastorally. The Church's position regarding the nature of abortion and sodomy remains unchanged. Catholics may disagree with the pope's pastoral opinions.
We have to find a new balance, otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel.
Wow. I am not a Catholic, I am a Lutheran (LCMS). However, I must say this: The reason the catholic (universal) church is talking so much about homosexuality etc. is not because we are obsessed, it is because we must defend against heresies.
When Arius proposed his idea of the Trinity, Athanasius and others “OBSESSED” about the nature of the Trinity. Same for the two natures of Christ.
If Christians are obsessed with anything, it is with preserving the truth and fighting against falsehood.
The Roman Catholics are not obsessed with homosexuality, abortion, and contraception: its opponents are. The Catholics are just defending against it—constantly, because they are being attacked constantly.
It’s the same for all churches that believe that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God. We aren’t obsessed. The world is. We are just refuting the world.
By the way, my browser spell check suggested I replace Athanasius with “euthanasia.” Not quite, spell checker, not quite.
I know those kinds of homilies exist but I have never heard a single one of them. YMMV. Starting to think we are really, really blessed with this little Latin Mass here.
Well, he IS the Pope, after all - his word is infallible, so let's all just stop giving a darn about the slaughter of babies.
Let's talk about nice, happy things - like ice cream and puppies....
“Starting to think we are really, really blessed with this little Latin Mass here.”
Yes you are.
For me to see one, I have to look it up on YouTube or tune into the local Catholic channel at the scheduled time. Nothing like it!
That sounds like Vatican II reform talk. Let's change it and ruin it. Let's make it appeal to mainstream culture. Let's modernize it.
Before we starting throwing rocks here (and trust me there is one in my hand), here’s the ACTUAL interview to compare and contrast:
They never talk about them... EVER!
There's always Lake Geneva!
geez... its been 6 months already?
As a practicing Catholic, and a liberal (we do exist!) I am thrilled to hear everything Pope Francis has to say. This man is already a saint!
I was raised Orthodox Christian, now a pretty staunch atheist, but this guy...this guy gets it. We are luckier in the world for having a man like this use his position of power to preach LOVE and TOLERANCE. While I firmly reject the existence of God, if by some chance he does exist, this guy is absolutely his messenger.
The big tent has to include the ordination of women for those women who want to be priests. In the meantime, the Pope's words and actions are encouraging and interesting to follow.
Every time this pope opens his mouth he puts his foot in it.
It’s well and good that he he can’t change the dogma of the church. He sounds to me exactly like Rick Warren or Joel
Osteen. Ground control to this pope, his job is to preach the word of God and safeguard the truth and it’s about damn time he understood that abortion is MURDER, queer “marriage” is against the Gospel. He needs to quit acting like just another ubber liberal Jesuit priest, who stick the middle finger up at the Church, and start acting like the head leader of the Catholic Church. I became a Catholic in 2008 because of the theology of the Church. Where all other faiths were caving in to the liberal agenda, the Catholic Chuch stood tall. Now this character comes along.
Give me Benedict any day of the week.
Did Geneva even remain a strong center after 1600? From what I remember, swimming the Firth of Forth would probably be more accurate.
I believe the term is "shut up and kiss the ring".
Since this IS the NYT, we’ll assume a lack of context for these quotes.
I read much of the interview at a different site. Pope Francis is all about "context", and IMO, he's all over the place in his views.
Look, it happens. Take Honorius, who died with a good reputation and then got slapped by ecumenical councils for playing cute with Monothelitism:
We’ve got problems, worse than we imagined.
and this is the same church on the same day:
Pope Francis, I am done with you. Enjoy your ‘new’ church.
This is what happens when a Jesuit priest is made Pope. Jesuits have caused great harm to the Catholic Church by not promoting liberal causes. If this pope does not start acting like the leader of the Catholic Church, he will be replaced. Mark that down. At this time in history the Church needs a strong conservative pope who WILL TELL THE WORLD about the evils of ABORTION, AND QUEER “MARRIAGE”. Who in the hell does he think he is marginalizing the murder of unborn children and the systematic destruction of the institution of marriage, which is a Holy Sacrament of the Church that he is supposed to be leading.
Please, please everyone. Visit Ann Barnhardt’s blog. She is frequently addressing the disgrace of Pope Francis and pointing out the sober realities of where we are in history. Yet she hasn’t left the Church.
In a nutshell his election points to God’s cleansing action on a wayword people who will have to choose Christ and really know and live His teachings. We the Church Militant are entering into a time of battle unprecedented in history. God help us! (He will.)
“Since this IS the NYT, well assume a lack of context for these quotes.”
Here’s the full interview, translated into English:
Church changing big time, says Cardinal Dolan
Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:40:31 PM · 11 of 41
Dr. Thorne to NYer
The next Pope will be the Catholic Obama. He will:
- claim he is all things to all people NOT YET
- be seen as a great uniter YUP
- be seen as a necessary change agent YUP
- elicit the kind of worship seen among Obama adorers. YUP
He will have a worldwide honeymoon of six months media adoration after which he will begin his real work of turning Catholicism into the religious equivalent of Progressivism. Then, he will:
- soften the church's stance on abortion YUP
- embrace homosexual marriage MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION
- endorse the redistribution of wealth YUP
- decry all military action YUP
- loudly proclaim ecumenism as the road to world peace. MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION
He will be a dragon who speaks like a lamb.
If you think the first six months have been interesting, just wait for the next six months.
He doesn't think, he feels.
Next week he may be talking about the need to preach against abortion more often. They elected a warm and fuzzy guy because the media whined about Benedict being too intellectual. That's all there is to the guy and he probably listens to his handlers than people realize.
LOL, I’m already there.
CALM DOWN folks!!!
Read his entire message, not the NYT editing of individual sentences.
Jesus spoke to Mathew about love and mercy (prodigal son), not angrily saying DAMN YOU. Mercy comes with repentance...
Jesuits have caused great harm to the Catholic Church by PROMOTING LIBERAL CAUSES.
It seems clear to me that certain posters only seek to criticize and demean anything from the Catholic Church, regardless of context or truth.
There are also some posters who only seek to criticize Pope Francis, for any number of reasons.
How about reading the interview, it is long, I know, to understand what the man says, and not some hack at the NY Times, CNN, etc.
Finally, if you heard the exact same homily every Sunday, such as “Fornication, abortion, sodomy, and divorce are bad,” wouldn’t you get a little tired of it? Wouldn’t you rather hear the Church welcomes divorcees? Please go to confession, either live celibately or regularize your marriage. Or how about, we all deal with sin, mortal sin. Jesus offers His infinite mercy to you. Admit your sin, be confirmed He can forgive you, and change your life.
There is no controversy in anything he said.