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"[A]ll evangelizers proclaim Christ, but Catholic evangelizers proclaim a Eucharistic Christ.
Catholic World Report ^ | September 18, 2013 | Carl E. Olson

Posted on 09/19/2013 2:18:47 PM PDT by NYer

Earlier this week, noted Scripture scholar and author Dr. Scott Hahn delivered the inaugural lecture in Christendom College’s Major Speaker Program, entitled, “The Bible, the Eucharist, and the New Evangelization.” The press release from Christendom College provides some highlights from Hahn's address:

“We face the task of re-evangelizing the de-Christianized,” Hahn said. “The cause of de-Christianization has been this oppressive secularization, which doesn’t just cause us to forget the faith, but it causes us to become more and more distant from those structures that make it real.”

Hahn explained that just as human love and relationships lead to a sacrament—Matrimony—so too does our love and relationship with God lead to a sacrament—the Eucharist. He noted that it was Blessed Pope John Paul who first called for the new evangelization to be based on the Eucharist and, citing and a paper by Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, he said, “all evangelizers proclaim Christ, but Catholic evangelizers proclaim a Eucharistic Christ.”

“But there is something else that is new about the new evangelization,” Hahn said. “It isn’t just for clergy. It isn’t just for missionaries. It isn’t just for those who go out to the foreign lands. It’s for each and every single one of us. Not only to go out and share the faith, but also to allow ourselves to be evangelized and converted.”

Hahn debunked the myth that St. Francis said, “preach the Gospel at all times and use words when necessary,” saying that there is no proof or historical record of the saint saying those words to his friars.

“I would want to say this to those who use that as an excuse,” he continued. “Just look in the mirror some evening and ask yourself, ‘Am I so upright, so virtuous, so compelling that all people really need to do is just keep their eyes on me and my life and that should be sufficient to give them the grace of conversion?’ Before you answer that question yourself, ask your spouse or your roommate. You may be in for a surprise.”

Hahn said that Catholics must not only recognize their need to evangelize, but also their need to be evangelized themselves in their family life and marriages.

“Conversion is life long,” he said. “It is ongoing. It is ever deepening. It is daily. And it is also difficult.”

Concluding, Hahn said that all Catholics are involved in the new evangelization, but very few Catholics are going to be equipped like Christendom students.

“Very few Catholics are ever going to be launched like Christendom grads,” he said. “Let me just ask you those old questions: if you don’t, who will? And if you wait, when will it happen? And if you say ‘yes,’ I got to tell you, stand back and watch, because God wants to do more through us than we want Him to do.”

He encouraged the students to study and pray hard and to take all that they have gained from the college out into the world.

“What you are learning here is what the world is dying for,” he said. “I hope that none of you ever get to the point where you take it for granted. This is one of the largest slices of heaven on earth.”

The entire lecture can be downloaded at Christendom on iTunes U, christendom.edu/itunesu. This past April, America magazine published an article by Hahn, "Mass Evangelization", which covers much of the same material. In that piece, Hahn wrote,

The theme of evangelization is indeed relatively new in Catholic circles. “Evangelizing” is something we had long associated with Protestant groups that send their members door to door. When we Catholics worried about the growth of the church, we thought in terms of missions, which meant, in practical terms, sending a donation to clergy who traveled overseas. The notion of evangelization was foreign to Catholics. Though the term and its near relatives are common in the church’s documents from the second half of the 20th century, one has to strain to find it before then. In the documents of Vatican I (1869-70), the word evangelium (Latin for “Gospel”) appears only once, and only then in reference to the four written Gospels.

If one skips ahead to the Second Vatican Council (1962-65), however, one will find the root evangel and its cognates—evangelize, evangelizing, evangelization—more than 200 times. These words are used to speak of the act of spreading the Good News, sharing the message and life of Jesus Christ. Something had changed between the councils. The popes noticed.

After noting the work of Paul VI regarding evangelization—notably his underappreciated apostolic exhortation “Evangelii Nuntiandi”—Hahn points out that John Paul II was the first to use the term "new evangelization":

What Paul VI identified as a matter of primary importance, John Paul II made a matter of urgency. It was he who gave it a name, “the new evangelization,” and made it programmatic and pervasive.

His first use of the phrase came near the beginning of his reign. During his first return to Poland in 1979, John Paul addressed a people whose religious practice had been repressed by Communist overlords, and yet he had the audacity to preach: “A new evangelization has begun, as if it were a new proclamation, even if in reality it is the same as ever.”

The phrase seemed electric. And yet it did not come up again in his work until 1983. Then, however, it emerged as something focused, intentional and programmatic. It defined a vision. That year, speaking to the bishops of Latin America, John Paul announced that the new evangelization was to be officially launched in 1992, the 500th anniversary of the first evangelization of the Americas.

Hahn then looks at the essence of the new evangelization:

What, then, is the key to the new evangelization? I remember wondering that myself, back in 1992. As if on cue, I opened L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican’s newspaper, and saw the headline: “Base New Evangelization on Eucharist.”

It caught my eye not only because it seemed to answer my question, but also because it made no sense to me whatsoever. Its proposal was counterintuitive. The Eucharist, after all, is for the already initiated, the folks who are showing up for Mass. Evangelization is supposed to reach outward. Yet the headline sat atop a homily by Blessed John Paul in which he referred to the Eucharist as the “beginning” (not the end!) of our outreach, “the source” and “the basis of the New Evangelization.”

Soon others picked up on this theme. Cardinal Francis George of Chicago gave an address on Catholicity and the new evangelization, and he drew the same conclusion: “All evangelizers proclaim who Christ is; Catholic evangelizers proclaim a Eucharistic Christ.”

In 2000 Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told a group of catechists that the church has always begun its evangelistic efforts at the altar. “The Church always evangelizes and has never interrupted the path of evangelization. She celebrates the Eucharistic mystery every day, administers the sacraments, proclaims the word of life—the Word of God, and commits herself to the causes of justice and charity. And this evangelization bears fruit.”

The Mass reminds us that evangelization is a gift before it is a task. It is receiving before it is doing. And we cannot share what we do not first possess. Read the entire article. Also, Hahn's personal website has a very helpful listing of texts and articles about the new evangelization.


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1 posted on 09/19/2013 2:18:47 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 09/19/2013 2:19:19 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

3 posted on 09/19/2013 2:28:42 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: NYer

Hahn. Once again, found penetrating the depths with Truth.

These converted protestants, especially the boat load of protestant pastors coming in, have the zeal to awaken the Church, stuck in mediocrity in so many influential locations, here, in the United States. Devout, knowledgeable cradle Catholics have lent kindness and support, sharing their own Catholic experience to these converts.

It is truly a New Evangelization happening, at last.


4 posted on 09/19/2013 2:33:31 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: NYer

My goodness, Dr. Hahn is getting older!


5 posted on 09/19/2013 2:44:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Think of Christ's suffering.)
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To: NYer

“Conversion is life long,” he said. “It is ongoing. It is ever deepening. It is daily. And it is also difficult.”

Wrong, sanctification is a lifelong process. Conversion happens when we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. To say conversion is a process intimates that we somehow earn it over time. This is non-scriptural.


6 posted on 09/19/2013 2:49:45 PM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: NYer

Powerful!!!

Let us consume the Word! ;-)


7 posted on 09/19/2013 3:05:22 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: NYer

Good man! Thank you, Jesus!


8 posted on 09/19/2013 3:20:00 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy

agree, my ongoing conversion, combined with sanctification is indeed a process, im always making progress, with His grace, but it is so frustrating sometimes....


9 posted on 09/19/2013 3:23:53 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: jagusafr

You are telling a Scripture Scholar that he is non-Scriptural?

Where are you a professor at?

Life is ongoing. We have to avoid sin each and every day. It’s a life-long process.

OSAS will not cut it, sorry.


10 posted on 09/19/2013 3:32:09 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: jagusafr

“Conversion is life long,” he said. “It is ongoing. It is ever deepening. It is daily. And it is also difficult.”

Wrong, sanctification is a lifelong process. Conversion happens when we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. To say conversion is a process intimates that we somehow earn it over time. This is non-scriptural.

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Amen.


11 posted on 09/19/2013 3:58:31 PM PDT by Adult Dog
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To: jagusafr

We reject the idea that sanctification and conversion are ontologically different things. They’re just two aspects of the same thing.


12 posted on 09/19/2013 4:04:08 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: NYer
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13 posted on 09/19/2013 4:10:13 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Adult Dog; jagusafr

Conversion happens once and one should continue to grow in knowledge and faith. I have grown in my level of knowledge, understanding and faith since I was baptized 50 years ago. this is how I interpret “conversion is life long.” If you prefer to see conversion as being the beginning and end of your journey with Christ, with no further study or desire to understand more deeply of Christ, so you have decided.


14 posted on 09/19/2013 4:13:33 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NYer

Where are the Knights Templar when you need them.


15 posted on 09/19/2013 4:22:47 PM PDT by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Rappini

Destroyed, dead and buried at the hands of their church. Where did you think they were?


16 posted on 09/19/2013 4:24:47 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: GreyFriar

Agree.

Studying to learn and show ourselves approved and worthy is not a one-shot deal.

It’s a life-time journey.


17 posted on 09/19/2013 4:40:18 PM PDT by Adult Dog
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To: NYer

You just can not possibly know Jesus unless you are a professor, so you must believe everything they tell you or you are not saved.

Never mind what the Gospels say, they were put together by a few dumb fishermen and can not be trusted.

Throw your bibles away folks because you can not believe what it says anyway.


18 posted on 09/19/2013 5:00:19 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

Why this sudden attack on Catholics reading the Bible?

The Gospels were not all written by fishermen.

Matthew — a tax collector

Mark — followed Jesus as a disciple, but I don’t know about the fisherman part.

Luke — a physician

John — the last Apostle to write a Gospel and the last to die, and yes he was a fisherman, but he wrote theology, inspired by the Holy Spirit.

So according to my count, you only got one out of four correct.


19 posted on 09/19/2013 5:06:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

How is it then that I am born again and filled with the Spirit, but have never been near a Eucharist?


20 posted on 09/19/2013 5:14:48 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: RitaOK

My goodness, my oh my!

Nothing new under the sun at all.


21 posted on 09/19/2013 5:16:03 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: jagusafr

Hallelujah for you, jagusafr!!


22 posted on 09/19/2013 5:16:48 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: raygunfan

What part of being born again (converted) once is so difficult to understand? No wonder there is so much error in the Catholic church if even the most important point is not clear to you.

It is just as jagusafr said. It does not take a scholar to see this and know this, but it does take being born again. Mlizzy and I have already done this dance. :)


23 posted on 09/19/2013 5:20:12 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Salvation

Here we go again, salvation.

No one will get this till they are born again and filled with the Spirit.

Yes, life is ongoing, sanctification is ongoing, but conversion is not.

You are converted once, you are made holy over time (sanctification).

And none of us is made perfectly holy and perfectly sinless till we are with Jesus. Never happens while we live on earth.


24 posted on 09/19/2013 5:23:30 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Campion

Nah, they are not.

But thanks for playing. :)


25 posted on 09/19/2013 5:24:25 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Salvation

Gotta love salvation and his/her myriad of Catholic talking point links.


26 posted on 09/19/2013 5:25:26 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Adult Dog

Which, back to the point, is sanctification, not conversion.


27 posted on 09/19/2013 5:26:48 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: jagusafr

Much of Catholicism has no basis in scripture. Catholics seem to think it is as important to go through motions and rituals as it is to accept Christ as lord as savior.

All of the trappings of Catholicism are meaningless if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your sole lord and savior, and your sole conduit to reach God.

I saw one freeper say she prays to recently deceased relatives because they “are closer to God”. No, they are dead humans and they are awaiting judgement day- same as we are. Dead mortal humans cannot answer your prayers or perform miracles for you.

The more and more I read these articles the more alien the Catholic religion sounds from Christianity.


28 posted on 09/19/2013 5:28:39 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: ravenwolf

Yep, trust the local Priests to read the Bible for you, they would never lead you awry. Those English translations are a sin!


29 posted on 09/19/2013 5:30:50 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Salvation
Why this sudden attack on Catholics reading the Bible?

Maybe some people get tired of seeing thread after thread after thread attacking non-Catholic Christians?

30 posted on 09/19/2013 5:31:41 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Salvation; jodyel

Can you condense the message of all those links to thirty words or less? Do you feel compelled to post those oh so many links and if so . . for what purpose?


31 posted on 09/19/2013 5:38:09 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: jodyel

bump!!

Because the eucharist ritual is a human construct.

Maybe some people have an innate need for a church like that because the members can’t function without it? They cannot fathom that a stark pew and a Bible can suffice, surely we need rituals, 10,000 saints, feast days and a human leader who is claimed to have the ear of God.

Surely mortal humans cannot have that same access to God?

Of course we do. No one is “closer to God” than anyone else, if we are being truthful. Christians are supposed to pray to God through Jesus. It is the ONLY WAY.


32 posted on 09/19/2013 5:40:50 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Salvation

I do believe he was being facetious, salvation.

The Life Application Study Bible lists Mark’s occupation as missionary-in-training, Gospel writer, traveling companion.

It also states he was a young man (Mark’s own words about himself), so it is possible he had not yet chosen or begun a profession out in the world before he met the other disciples and decided to join them.

But the majority of the disciples were indeed fishermen.

Btw, this is a wonderful bible. The profiles on biblical people, the chapter notes, and the index at the back are invaluable. Highly recommended!


33 posted on 09/19/2013 5:45:32 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: BipolarBob

All I can say is WHEW!!! lol


34 posted on 09/19/2013 5:50:27 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: GeronL

Preaching to the choir when you are telling me, GeronL, but thanks nevertheless. :)


35 posted on 09/19/2013 5:51:31 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: jodyel

I’ve always thought that Mark was the man that ran off naked as Christ was arrested. Don’t remember where I read that explanation.


36 posted on 09/19/2013 5:54:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GeronL

**Because the eucharist ritual is a human construct.**

I don’t know if I will ever understand how non-Catholics take the Bible SO literally, and yet they do not believe the words of Jesus Christ at the Last Supper.

“This is my Body.”
“This is my Blood. Don this in remembrance of me.”

I actually feel very sad that you do not believe Christ’s words!


37 posted on 09/19/2013 5:56:57 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

and you do that how often?

“Don this” could mean to wear it. How often are “we” supposed to do this? There was only one “Last Supper” after all.


38 posted on 09/19/2013 6:00:36 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Salvation; GeronL
I actually feel very sad that you do not believe Christ’s words!

Don't be sad. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned.

39 posted on 09/19/2013 6:00:53 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: GeronL

My typo

“Do this in remembrance of me.”


40 posted on 09/19/2013 6:02:48 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
“Conversion is life long,” he said. “It is ongoing. It is ever deepening. It is daily. And it is also difficult.”

Wrong! Conversion is not life long. Conversion is a one time event. Sanctification is a life long event.

Of course this statement intrigued me as most Catholic doctrine does these days. I looked up conversion on New Advent and found this statement:

It is amazing that Catholics believe that the first step in conversion is to investigate the credentials of the Church, much like studying a recipe. So Hahn is right from a Catholic perspective but wrong from a scriptural view where we are born again into Christ. I don't recall Paul sitting down to study whether Christianity was true or not.

Egad. It amazes me how Catholics can take something so simple and make it so complex. Then again-perhaps I'm not surprised.

41 posted on 09/19/2013 6:18:08 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: GeronL

Your non-snarky response up thread struck a chord with me. I didn’t know that was happening. Probably I didn’t notice thread titles attacking protestants.

I try never to do that, unless it’s a blatant anti-Catholic thread, and even then I most always scroll right on by, because I’ve heard it all forever as a Catholic. Boring for me.

I think you have a point though. I wouldn’t like it either if there are really that many thread titles bashing protestants.

We are not suppose to use the scriptures to inflame others, any more than we are suppose to cast our pearls before swine. That goes for all us believers together.

I think these religion threads should all be caucus only. Without caucus, these threads are an open invitation for incitement, for starting a food fight, in which I am not participating.

I use FR for politics, where we are mostly in lock step. Some of these folks you never see anywhere else on the forum, but live for smack down and smack back over something on which they are clueless anyway. Some on both sides do this.

Anyway it’s disgusting for civilized adults to entertain this stuff at all, on God and faith of all things, and give dissension a platform. Not a class act to even participate.

Thx for bringing this to my attention. I think to caucus is the answer. We have to be gracious and inquiring there, and people appreciate that.

Outta here. Back to politics. :)


42 posted on 09/19/2013 6:29:01 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: GeronL

Are you going back to the Old Testament and “an eye for an eye” mentality?

I certainly hope not.


43 posted on 09/19/2013 6:32:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RitaOK

Look at us, we are THE church unlike you unsaved heathen protestants

is the take from a lot of these thread headline on the religion forum

I try to ignore them but sometimes I can’t

wait a sec

I had a non-snarky response?

That must have been an oversight on my part. :p


44 posted on 09/19/2013 6:40:10 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
Those English translations are a sin!

You are of course referring to the KJV, NKJV, Youngs literal, and NIV. The prot translations.

45 posted on 09/19/2013 7:05:12 PM PDT by verga (Lasciante ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate.)
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To: Salvation

Yes, that is the part where he calls himself a “young man.”

Mark 14:51-52


46 posted on 09/19/2013 7:14:44 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: RitaOK



47 posted on 09/19/2013 7:17:14 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GeronL

&;D.


48 posted on 09/19/2013 7:19:09 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Salvation

You completely misunderstand my statement, and “in danger every day of losing my salvation” is unscriptural as well.


49 posted on 09/19/2013 7:21:26 PM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: Salvation

Thank you, Salvation. Is that not one of the most beautiful renderings ever, among Catholic sacred art. Very wonderful. Thx.


50 posted on 09/19/2013 7:22:52 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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