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Pope Francisí comments on homosexuality in the Big Interview
WDTPRS ^ | 9/19/2013 | Fr John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 09/19/2013 5:04:36 PM PDT by markomalley

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To: jodyel

**utterly deceived and blinded **

We are not deceived and blinded. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Have you ever attended a Catholic Mass? Almost the entire Mass is from the Bible.


51 posted on 09/20/2013 7:15:37 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: plain talk
"Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Thanks."

I suspect that your organization does not agree that "everyone is entitled to their opinion". That is one of the great tragedies of Rome. They dictate exactly what you must believe, exactly what you must do to be rescued, exactly what you must do with regard to them. Check Vatican II out. Only the brass knows what you must believe. But, even this is being managed by God.

52 posted on 09/20/2013 7:42:03 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: SkyPilot

Is a repentant homosexual able to be saved?


53 posted on 09/20/2013 7:43:17 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: SkyPilot

Follow up question: if a repentant homosexual is saved and his sins are forgiven by God, then is it appropriate for other Christians to judge him based upon past sins that God has already forgiven?

(N B: if your answer to the previous question was that he is beyond saving, then please disregard this question)


54 posted on 09/20/2013 7:47:04 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
The Bible says that if someone truly repents and believes that Jesus Christ is Lord, and confesses to Him, then they will be saved. Mark 1:15, Acts 2:38, Romans 10:9, Acts 16:31, and others.

I do not believe that any is "beyond saving" for Jesus. The Bible also warns us to watch against wolves in sheep's clothing (Matthew 7:15), false teachers (2 Peter 2: 1-3), and those who would alter God's Word (Revelation 22:18-19).

55 posted on 09/20/2013 11:16:33 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: markomalley

I appreciate your systematic breakdown of Francis’ words. You have put forth a fair analysis of the words and what the mean or may mean.

Honestly, your analysis is better than Weigel’s commentary on the interview. The reason I say this, is that you take it on in full and Weigel uses a strawman argument in his critique of we who are distraught over this interview.

He accuses those who critiqued Pope Francis as “misrepresent(ing) Pope Francis as an advocate of doctrinal and moral change. This is not the case at all. My point is that we live in a cultural depravity, where the gay lifesyle and abortion are intensively and consistently rammed down our throats. We need a strong Christian voice to stand up to these constant bombardments.

More importantly to me as a father, with two children in Catholic school, I have to consider if my children are capable of comprehending the subtleties of this Papal strategy.

“Dad, is it now wrong to pray and speak out against abortions? Is the Church changing on these issues?”

It makes our jobs as parents more difficult. Especially, as we let our senior children embark on to college, where the cultural indoctrination is inescapable.

Anyway, I still have major reservations about this new tone and this Pope. And I do appreciate the more Christ-centered approach, which you would think our Protestant brothers would be slightly more welcoming of lol.

Thanks for your analysis it is appreciated.


56 posted on 09/20/2013 12:01:07 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obam a's Socialist Agenda:)
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To: SkyPilot
I do not believe that any is "beyond saving" for Jesus.

Good. Neither do I.

The Holy Father apparently agrees with the two of us:

If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge him?

57 posted on 09/20/2013 5:24:50 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Salvation

Just because one can read or hear scripture, salavation, does not mean one can understand it.

It takes the Holy Spirit living inside a believer to give understanding and discernment.

God bless,
jodyel


58 posted on 09/20/2013 8:23:27 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Dutchboy88

I hope so, dutchboy...because that is all I really want...is for them to know the spectacular relationship with the Savior without the machinations of fallen men surrounding it.


59 posted on 09/20/2013 8:28:35 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: jodyel

Did you read the entire interview?

http://www.americamagazine.org/pope-interview
Complete text


60 posted on 09/20/2013 8:30:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: jodyel

**It takes the Holy Spirit living inside a believer to give understanding and discernment.**

Absolutely — along with a lot of study. LOL!

You didn’t answer my question about ever having attended a Catholic Mass. Have you?


61 posted on 09/20/2013 8:32:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

No, study not required unless one wants a degree or a convoluted view of God.

The Spirit will guide you as He wants to and will open your eyes to meaning in His word.

Yes, I have been to a mass performed at a wedding in a Catholic church and found it to be very dead and lifeless. Nothing at all like what lives in my heart.

Thanks for asking,
jodyel


62 posted on 09/20/2013 8:45:12 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: jodyel

Thanks for answering.

LOL! I think you need to drop in at my church. Nothing lifeless or dead. Everyone sings, great homily by the priest and revernt Liturgy of the Eucharist.

It was during the Liturgy of the Eucharist that Scott Hahn realized how much the Scriptures were quoted in the Catholic Mass, and that led to his conversion from Presbyterian to Catholic.


63 posted on 09/20/2013 8:49:42 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

No need, salvation, as I know the Spirit is dead in Catholicism.

And I am fine with hearing all you guys run on and on about your mass, and your eucharist, and your pope, and everything else.

But what I would really love to hear everyone run on and on about is Jesus and the wonderful relationship they have with Him.

I think all this other stuff just gets in the way of truly knowing Him.

I think 10 minutes of intimate worship alone with the Lord is worth all the masses ever said and all the eucharists ever taken. And I wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world.


64 posted on 09/20/2013 8:52:57 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: jodyel

**I know the Spirit is dead in Catholicism**

Not true. This may be your interpretation, but you can not blanket the entire Catholic Church with such a statement.

Good grief, you really have not heard a Mass. It is totally focused on Scripture and Jesus.

Take a breather.....

And I do one hour of intimate worship each week. Some people do it daily. Especially in front of the Blessed Sacrament.


65 posted on 09/20/2013 9:34:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree, salvation.

I’ve no interest in a mass. Sorry.

I do take breathers quite often. Have been on one for awhile now.

later,
jodyel


66 posted on 09/20/2013 11:05:23 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Salvation

http://www.gotquestions.org/church-age.html

This is exactly what I believe, so sorry to disappoint. I won’t be leaving the house anytime soon to go anywhere. But me and my bible and the Spirit are enough....always have been.


67 posted on 09/20/2013 11:43:22 PM PDT by jodyel
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