Skip to comments.Pope Francisí comments on homosexuality in the Big Interview
Posted on 09/19/2013 5:04:36 PM PDT by markomalley
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**utterly deceived and blinded **
We are not deceived and blinded. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Have you ever attended a Catholic Mass? Almost the entire Mass is from the Bible.
I suspect that your organization does not agree that "everyone is entitled to their opinion". That is one of the great tragedies of Rome. They dictate exactly what you must believe, exactly what you must do to be rescued, exactly what you must do with regard to them. Check Vatican II out. Only the brass knows what you must believe. But, even this is being managed by God.
Is a repentant homosexual able to be saved?
Follow up question: if a repentant homosexual is saved and his sins are forgiven by God, then is it appropriate for other Christians to judge him based upon past sins that God has already forgiven?
(N B: if your answer to the previous question was that he is beyond saving, then please disregard this question)
I do not believe that any is "beyond saving" for Jesus. The Bible also warns us to watch against wolves in sheep's clothing (Matthew 7:15), false teachers (2 Peter 2: 1-3), and those who would alter God's Word (Revelation 22:18-19).
I appreciate your systematic breakdown of Francis’ words. You have put forth a fair analysis of the words and what the mean or may mean.
Honestly, your analysis is better than Weigel’s commentary on the interview. The reason I say this, is that you take it on in full and Weigel uses a strawman argument in his critique of we who are distraught over this interview.
He accuses those who critiqued Pope Francis as “misrepresent(ing) Pope Francis as an advocate of doctrinal and moral change. This is not the case at all. My point is that we live in a cultural depravity, where the gay lifesyle and abortion are intensively and consistently rammed down our throats. We need a strong Christian voice to stand up to these constant bombardments.
More importantly to me as a father, with two children in Catholic school, I have to consider if my children are capable of comprehending the subtleties of this Papal strategy.
“Dad, is it now wrong to pray and speak out against abortions? Is the Church changing on these issues?”
It makes our jobs as parents more difficult. Especially, as we let our senior children embark on to college, where the cultural indoctrination is inescapable.
Anyway, I still have major reservations about this new tone and this Pope. And I do appreciate the more Christ-centered approach, which you would think our Protestant brothers would be slightly more welcoming of lol.
Thanks for your analysis it is appreciated.
Good. Neither do I.
The Holy Father apparently agrees with the two of us:
If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge him?
Just because one can read or hear scripture, salavation, does not mean one can understand it.
It takes the Holy Spirit living inside a believer to give understanding and discernment.
I hope so, dutchboy...because that is all I really want...is for them to know the spectacular relationship with the Savior without the machinations of fallen men surrounding it.
Did you read the entire interview?
**It takes the Holy Spirit living inside a believer to give understanding and discernment.**
Absolutely — along with a lot of study. LOL!
You didn’t answer my question about ever having attended a Catholic Mass. Have you?
No, study not required unless one wants a degree or a convoluted view of God.
The Spirit will guide you as He wants to and will open your eyes to meaning in His word.
Yes, I have been to a mass performed at a wedding in a Catholic church and found it to be very dead and lifeless. Nothing at all like what lives in my heart.
Thanks for asking,
Thanks for answering.
LOL! I think you need to drop in at my church. Nothing lifeless or dead. Everyone sings, great homily by the priest and revernt Liturgy of the Eucharist.
It was during the Liturgy of the Eucharist that Scott Hahn realized how much the Scriptures were quoted in the Catholic Mass, and that led to his conversion from Presbyterian to Catholic.
No need, salvation, as I know the Spirit is dead in Catholicism.
And I am fine with hearing all you guys run on and on about your mass, and your eucharist, and your pope, and everything else.
But what I would really love to hear everyone run on and on about is Jesus and the wonderful relationship they have with Him.
I think all this other stuff just gets in the way of truly knowing Him.
I think 10 minutes of intimate worship alone with the Lord is worth all the masses ever said and all the eucharists ever taken. And I wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world.
**I know the Spirit is dead in Catholicism**
Not true. This may be your interpretation, but you can not blanket the entire Catholic Church with such a statement.
Good grief, you really have not heard a Mass. It is totally focused on Scripture and Jesus.
Take a breather.....
And I do one hour of intimate worship each week. Some people do it daily. Especially in front of the Blessed Sacrament.
Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree, salvation.
I’ve no interest in a mass. Sorry.
I do take breathers quite often. Have been on one for awhile now.
This is exactly what I believe, so sorry to disappoint. I won’t be leaving the house anytime soon to go anywhere. But me and my bible and the Spirit are enough....always have been.