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Why Catholicism? A Former Episcopalian Priest’s Story [Fr. Jürgen Liias]
CE.com ^ | september 19, 2013 | Fr. Jürgen Liias

Posted on 09/19/2013 5:51:18 PM PDT by Salvation

Why Catholicism? A Former Episcopalian Priest’s Story

by Jürgen Liias on September 19, 2013 ·

 

Since announcing my decision to become a Catholic and to seek ordination through the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter, I have had many an inquiry from folk wondering, “Why?” Some of these were authentic expressions of inquisitiveness; others came with perplexity; not a few came with consternation and dismay.

My first reason is this decision is an act of obedience to the guidance of the Holy Spirit. As my Spiritual Autobiography details, this has been a long personal journey, of twenty-five years or more. However, I would add that, as personal as it is, it is not just a private or uniquely individual call. It is not simply a private denominational predilection.

There is in the Christian life a force of gravity which draws the believer ever deeper into union with Christ. That union is not only a private mystical union—though it is that–but a deepening union with the mystical body of Christ, the Church. It is a dogmatic principle of the Catholic Church that “this Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in the Catholic Church.” (Lumen Gentium). If this is true, then this gravitational pull of Christ’s Spirit is universally active, drawing all humanity to Christ the Head and to the fullness of his saving grace which he mediates through His Body the Church. John Henry Newman, an Anglican convert to Rome, insightfully quipped there was no steady state between Atheism and Catholicism! There is always in the human soul that spiritual battle—the psychomachia—between the centrifugal forces of the world, the flesh, and the devil drawing us away from the Love of God, and the centripetal dynamic of the Holy Spirit pulling us ever deeper into the love of God. There is a gravitas to the Catholic Church, to the See of Peter, that is, I believe, a true and objective  charism intended by Christ to draw his followers into union with him in the fellowship of the Catholic Church. Whatever the individual contours of my own movement into the Catholic church have been, I believe they are part of this larger, universal gravitational grace that emanates from the Heart of Jesus which is in his Body.

That, of course, already displays the second reason for my decision: theology. The great divide between the churches of the Reformation and the Catholic church is in the domain of Ecclesiology—What is the church? In the protestant world Anglicanism has sought to maintain a catholic ecclesiology; that is to say an ordering of the body that is organic, universal, and apostolic. Bishops; creeds; sacraments; and conciliarism have been maintained as integral pieces of Anglican ecclesiology – Papal Primacy alone being set aside. Within that catholic structure, Anglicanism has also asserted a principle of theological freedom and diversity: one may believe in spiritual regeneration in baptism, but one may not; one may believe in the Real Presence in the eucharist, but one may not; one may believe in the authority of scripture, but one may not; one may believe in the sanctity of marriage but one may not. For much of my life as an Anglican, that freedom was a pleasant gift; but increasingly it had become a source of distress and a profound impediment to my priestly work as a pastor and preacher. How could I proclaim from the pulpit, “the Bible teaches…” or “Christianity asserts…” when my Bishop says quite the opposite? How could I advise a person in the confessional, when the priest in the neighboring parish would advise the opposite?; and I speak here of matters essential and primary. My authority as a teacher and confessor needed to be based on something other than my own best opinion (of course, this quandary becomes even more confusing, on almost any given point of doctrine or morality, in the vast panoply of protestant denominational theologies).

Flannery O’Connor in her conversion to Catholicism spoke of the glorious freedom she experienced in being delivered from the “tyranny of her intellect.” Fides ut intelligam! That has become my experience. It is the paradox of true intellectual freedom by submission to “the church’s teaching.” It is a glorious freedom, not only in the mind’s love for God, but in the vocation of the priest in theological and spiritual formation of disciples of Jesus. This theological conversion thus is not first of all a conversion to the peculiar Catholic beliefs that my inquirers challenge me about: What about Mary? What about purgatory? What about contraception? Rather it is a conversion to the faithfulness of Christ’s gift to the church of an authentic authority to bind and to loose. At its deepest it is a question of pneumatology even more than ecclesiology—how does the Spirit of Truth actually function in the Church? Whatever complexities and seeming incongruities may be discerned, the Magisterium is (at minimum) a reasonable and practicable answer to the question of Truth that is trustworthy; at best, it is what the church proclaims it to be: the provision by Christ of the gift of unerring guidance to his people.

Finally—and perhaps most urgently—my decision to become a Catholic is driven by our Lord’s high priestly prayer, “May they be one.” The unity of the church has been for me a primary and constant imperative of following Jesus. It has been expressed in my leadership of the local parish where congregational unity has been enfleshed in a principle of unanimity in all decision making. It has been expressed in my vision of shaping a parish to be “fully catholic, fully, evangelical, fully charismatic.” It has been expressed in my collegial work cross-denominationally, not only in the official ecumenism of the mainline churches, but with active fellowship with independent evangelical and pentecostal clergy. “May they be one, that the world might believe.” The unity of the church is not only an imperative for the internal life of God’s people but an essential dimension of her evangelical mission. There is no greater scandal and impediment to the conversion of the world to the love of Christ than her divisions. Pope Benedict established the Ordinariate both as a concrete instrument to begin to heal organically the divisions of the Reformation and as an essential strategy for the sake of “the new Evangelization.” Many have seen in this initiative a bold prophetic action. As an Anglican I have received it as a gracious invitation to reconciliation. I can find no valid faithful reason to decline.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; converts

By Fr. Jürgen Liias

Jürgen Liias is the pastor of St. Gregory the Great Church in Beverly Farms, MA. A former Episcopalian priest, Fr. Liias now serves St. Gregory's as part of Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter, the structure established in the United States and Canada for Anglicans wishing to enter into communion with Rome. His website is http://www.saintgregoryordinariate.org/

 


1 posted on 09/19/2013 5:51:18 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: All

Welcome home, Fr. Jürgen Liias!


2 posted on 09/19/2013 5:51:57 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Catholic Ping!


3 posted on 09/19/2013 5:52:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Hi, boy the story about the Pope on Drudge makes him sound non-Catholic IMO. Check it out.


4 posted on 09/19/2013 5:54:22 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Drudge is in Obama’s corner, don’t ya know?


5 posted on 09/19/2013 5:59:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

It is not a good story, but Drudge I assure you is NOT in Obama’s corner. He seems to hate Obama.

What is this though about abortion and homosexuality and bigger tents.
I understand you love the sinner and reject the sin, but we don’t try to overlook and not talk about what is sin, do we?


6 posted on 09/19/2013 6:02:29 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

No, not at all. The Pope is doing what Christ did, condemn the sin but not the sinner. As Pope Francis put it, the Church is like a battlefield hospital where we carry the sick and wounded and not begin our inquiry on why they became obese or be concerned about their cholesterol levels. You don’t ask an unmarried woman about to give birth on why she had non-marital sex. You first recognize the goodness in her to actually carry the baby to term.


7 posted on 09/19/2013 6:02:48 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

I haven’t read any of it....just scanned it. I’ll give it a day before I can read enough to make a judgment.


8 posted on 09/19/2013 6:05:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Steelfish

That is the point, the article suggest he his not condemning the sin as I read it, but I am not perfect and could have missed something.

Not talking abortion or homosexuality and seeking out this big tent is disturbing if I read that right.


9 posted on 09/19/2013 6:06:30 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

The current Pope, is poorly educated and cannot at this point quite think straight. He might grow into the job


10 posted on 09/19/2013 6:10:25 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

He can’t think straight, he should have then become the Democrat President of the United States, not the Pope.


11 posted on 09/19/2013 6:11:48 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Wow..that was fast...post 4 and the Catholic bashing encouragement begins!
Onward Christian Soldiers!


12 posted on 09/19/2013 6:12:35 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: A CA Guy

It’s not Drudge, it’s the New York Times, linked on Drudge. Drudge doesn’t necessarily approve of the NYTimes’s propagandistic distortion of what the Pope actually said.

During Monicagate, Clinton’s guys accused Drudge of being gay, and Drudge replied, in effect, “Sure. So what?” I think Drudge is gay, but he does not go out of his way to be a GAY ACTIVIST, which is quite a different kettle of fish. If he’s gay, that’s his business, as long as he doesn’t try to force it on everyone else.

As for this conversion story, I think it’s well said. I am also a convert, from Anglicanism to Catholicism, so I understand exactly what he is saying. There can only be “One, Holy, Catholic (i.e. universal), and Apostolic Church.” And the only Church that fills the bill is the Catholic Church. The Orthodox Church broke off and split away, and the Protestant Churches broke off and split away—and split and split and split. None of them fits the description of a single, true Church that goes all the way back to its founding by Christ. “Thou art Peter, and upon this Rock I will build My Church.”


13 posted on 09/19/2013 6:12:35 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: yldstrk

Whoa!

Thanks for letting us know....You must be psychic.


14 posted on 09/19/2013 6:14:12 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: A CA Guy

There’s a lot of garble in the reports. He’s talking about people’s going to Confession, which means it goes without saying that the behavior is sinful and that the person knows it and is sorry.


15 posted on 09/19/2013 6:14:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Think of Christ's suffering.)
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To: Cicero

OOOOOps..Get ready to be flamed!ha.

I will pray for you.


16 posted on 09/19/2013 6:15:22 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Cicero

Thanks for bringing the thread back to the conversion topic.


17 posted on 09/19/2013 6:15:59 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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read later


18 posted on 09/19/2013 6:16:25 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The problem ain't what folks don't know. It's what they DO know, that ain't so!" - Will Rogers)
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To: Cicero

I worry about his referring to abortion and homosexuality as being too huge an effort that turns people off to the church.

You can’t compromise your morality and soul to sin.

IMO we do love the sinner but reject the sin.
People who are strong gay and abortion advocates are often proud of their sins. Gays actually parade their sins, so I don’t totally agree with the Pope here.

Did I miss something here?
Anyway, we can bring this elsewhere. I did not mean change the subject matter of this thread. Sorry.


19 posted on 09/19/2013 6:18:43 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
All these breathless reports about Francis's appărent liberalization or even apostasy always turn out, on further investigation, to be giddy wishful thinking.
20 posted on 09/19/2013 6:41:29 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: arthurus

I don’t know, but for me the article on Drudge was disturbing to me.
Did they misquote or something?
Are they setting him up for trouble?


21 posted on 09/19/2013 6:43:51 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

You know, my experience reading the interview was very different from the headlines and captions and all.

I THINK I get what the Pope means. To exaggerate, sometimes it seems that if suddenly nobody wanted an abortion a lot of catholics would lose their purpose in life. We love the mothers and the babies because we love Jesus and are loved by him. We want them to share that happiness and adventure. He is most imporant.

And our intactions with oher sinners cannot be chiefly about their sin. It must be about the Lord who is a Love that is stronger than any sin or sorrow.


22 posted on 09/19/2013 6:46:25 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: Salvation

Welcome home:)


23 posted on 09/19/2013 6:47:34 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Cicero
There can only be “One, Holy, Catholic (i.e. universal), and Apostolic Church.” And the only Church that fills the bill is the Catholic Church. The Orthodox Church broke off and split away, and the Protestant Churches broke off and split away—and split and split and split.

dysfunction

24 posted on 09/19/2013 6:55:16 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: A CA Guy

I’ve not read the Drudge one but previous reports, such as his approving of homosexuals, turned out to be boilerplate Catholic teaching. The Press and others are prime to expect that the Church hates homosexuals and condemns them to Hell with no hearing. Atheists can go to Heaven if they follow their consciences turns out to be more like athiests can go to Heaven if they obey their Properly Formed conscience which would, of course change their status from atheist to believer. Francis is a Catholic and will remain a Catholic, much to the eventual chagrin of the Press and the Left.


25 posted on 09/19/2013 6:58:54 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: A CA Guy

Christ kept Torah. If you love me you will keep my commandments. The word of God is clear in writing, if people read. Or, they seek man, and his definition!

Peace to all!


26 posted on 09/19/2013 7:33:53 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose
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To: arthurus

I don’t think so, it is love the sinner but reject the sin.

The article sounded bad in part to me though.


27 posted on 09/19/2013 8:49:21 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: foundedonpurpose

There is that abomination in the eyes of God thing though.

False gods issue.


28 posted on 09/19/2013 8:50:49 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Alex Murphy

People in Presbyterian glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.


29 posted on 09/20/2013 5:34:39 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion
People in Presbyterian glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

Who's throwing stones?

30 posted on 09/20/2013 5:39:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Catholic ping!


31 posted on 09/20/2013 2:52:18 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: A CA Guy

Please update me, a false god issue?


32 posted on 09/20/2013 6:29:04 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose
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To: A CA Guy

“There is that abomination in the eyes of God thing though.”

Yep, there are many abominations in the eyes of God, He is pretty clear on that false god and graven image issue. I looked it up and found Deut 7:25-26 and 27:15.

There are a whole lot of other abominations listed throughout Deuteronomy, and at the end of Deut 25:13 it actually says ...”all that do unrighteously are an abomination to the LORD.”

Thank God for His Son!


33 posted on 09/20/2013 7:07:47 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose
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To: A CA Guy

Of course, if you read it that way its distressing to all of us Catholics. If he abhors the sin, as Catholics teaching mandates him to do, and preaches the forgiving grace and mercy of God, that certainly is compatible.


34 posted on 09/21/2013 10:58:23 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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