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12 Quotes From Pope Francis' Exclusive Interview
uCatholic ^ | September 19, 2013 | Ryan Scheel

Posted on 09/20/2013 3:30:31 AM PDT by NYer

This is a list of 12 selected quoted from Pope Francis’ recent exclusive interview with La Civiltà Cattolica.

This interview with Pope Francis took place over the course of three meetings during August 2013 in Rome. The interview was conducted in person by Antonio Spadaro, S.J., editor in chief of La Civiltà Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit journal. The interview was conducted in Italian. After the Italian text was officially approved, America commissioned a team of five independent experts to translate it into English. You can read the full interview here

1. “I am a sinner. This is the most accurate definition. It is not a figure of speech, a literary genre. I am a sinner.”

2. “when I took possession of the papal apartment, inside myself I distinctly heard a ‘no.’ The papal apartment in the Apostolic Palace is not luxurious. It is old, tastefully decorated and large, but not luxurious. But in the end it is like an inverted funnel. It is big and spacious, but the entrance is really tight. People can come only in dribs and drabs, and I cannot live without people. I need to live my life with others.”

3. “In my breviary I have the last will of my grandmother Rosa, and I read it often. For me it is like a prayer.”

4.”This church with which we should be thinking is the home of all, not a small chapel that can hold only a small group of selected people. We must not reduce the bosom of the universal church to a nest protecting our mediocrity.”

5. “Pope Benedict has done an act of holiness, greatness, humility. He is a man of God.”

6. “I see the church as a field hospital after battle. It is useless to ask a seriously injured person if he has high cholesterol and about the level of his blood sugars! You have to heal his wounds. Then we can talk about everything else. Heal the wounds, heal the wounds…. And you have to start from the ground up.”

7. “The confessor, for example, is always in danger of being either too much of a rigorist or too lax. Neither is merciful, because neither of them really takes responsibility for the person. The rigorist washes his hands so that he leaves it to the commandment. The loose minister washes his hands by simply saying, ‘This is not a sin’ or something like that. In pastoral ministry we must accompany people, and we must heal their wounds.”

8. “We need to proclaim the Gospel on every street corner, preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing, even with our preaching, every kind of disease and wound. In Buenos Aires I used to receive letters from homosexual persons who are ‘socially wounded’ because they tell me that they feel like the church has always condemned them. But the church does not want to do this. During the return flight from Rio de Janeiro I said that if a homosexual person is of good will and is in search of God, I am no one to judge. By saying this, I said what the catechism says. Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person.”

9. “We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.”

10. “We have to work harder to develop a profound theology of the woman. Only by making this step will it be possible to better reflect on their function within the church. The feminine genius is needed wherever we make important decisions.”

11. “When we desire to encounter God, we would like to verify him immediately by an empirical method. But you cannot meet God this way.”

12. “Christian hope is not a ghost and it does not deceive. It is a theological virtue and therefore, ultimately, a gift from God that cannot be reduced to optimism, which is only human. God does not mislead hope; God cannot deny himself. God is all promise.”


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1 posted on 09/20/2013 3:30:31 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 09/20/2013 3:30:58 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer
Help......I am VERY conflicted about his remarks about the gays, abortions,contraception and women having more power in the Church...VERY conflicted.

I think we have 55 MILLION DEAD BABIES, practically every female on contraception and GAY EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE because the Church has NOT stood against these things strongly enough and shown the people that these are NOT GOD'S WAY!!

3 posted on 09/20/2013 3:36:45 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

While I am not very comfortable in trying to interpret his words I think the Pope is trying to say we need to introduce people to God first. A true meeting of Christ ought to be enough for people to want to turn from their sin. Sometimes a preoccupation with specific sin/sinners seems to undermine, in people’s minds, the story of God’s salvific capacity to change people!


4 posted on 09/20/2013 3:50:31 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: melsec

In these times we don’t need lukewarm. Too many who are lukewarm and have watered down doctrine. I think maybe this Pope might want to be admired and accepted as oh so progressive. I am not Catholic so I guess I can speak my feelings because I don’t take any man to be infallible.


5 posted on 09/20/2013 4:00:23 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: NYer

I’m so done with this Pope. We could always depend on the Catholic. Church to defend the Sanctity of life. Now it’s considered small minded. He can welcome his new flock if he chooses — I’m out. Sadly.


6 posted on 09/20/2013 4:02:50 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Ann Archy

Just my view, but contraception is not an evil as is abortion. It was banned by church doctrine, but I believe that “the Pill” or condoms are not any more evil than the rhythm method of contraception.

As to gays, they need salvation too.


7 posted on 09/20/2013 4:03:09 AM PDT by Smedley (It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park)
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To: kelly4c

“The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time”.

He makes it clear these positions will not change (though the media has tried to spin it); he is right that there are other issues in the world today, and gives no indication that this removes any significance from abortion, homosexuality, etc.


8 posted on 09/20/2013 4:05:34 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (The talking heads have admitted is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: NYer

Stop reading quotes and read the entire interview in context.

Here: http://www.americamagazine.org/pope-interview

Jesus didn’t tell Mathew he was a sinner, but loved him - that’s what drew him to want to follow and subsequently repent. That’s all the pope is saying Catholics should be doing - draw them to Christ’s love and the mercy he will give them...and they will come to understand and change.


9 posted on 09/20/2013 4:18:33 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
Matthew repented.

Homosexuals and abortionists are not repenting. Quite the opposite; they have made an alliance with Ceasar and are storming the gates of the church while gleefully pelting us with the heads of their victims. This is the time to mount a vigorous counterattack, not indulge in double-minded, cryptic holyspeak. At any rate we already have plenty of mainline Protestant leaders who will do that for us (a pox be upon their apostate houses).

10 posted on 09/20/2013 4:36:16 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: jboot
Yes, I think the repentence is the key thing, and I worry that the Pope is not emphasizing that. He seems to be saying (in effect) "Let's not focus on our disagreements (abortion, homosexual marriage, etc.) let's skip over those troublesome areas, and let us feed the poor, care for the sick, and express Christ's love for one another."

Sounds nice, I suppose. But the people who do not repent are not going to heaven -- and I would think that a good Christian would express more concern over that.

11 posted on 09/20/2013 5:04:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: NYer

One of the most important and revealing aspects of this interview was pope Francis’ description of how he prays. He is truly a humble, great man of prayer!

In this world of internet technology, there is little excuse for being “confused” by what he says.

People honestly need to read ALL of what he says. To really know how the man thinks, read what he has written years before. There are some translations available. Fortunately, I am able to read his writings in Spanish and I fully believe that this man has been prepared (by God) for a long time to be Pope at this particular juncture of history.

In many ways for me...he mirrors Jesus.

Let us all pray daily that God bless and protect him and prepare him for the great sacrifices that he will make.


12 posted on 09/20/2013 5:17:28 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: jboot

Indeed!!! Compromising and softening the stance toward sin is cowardly. Christians should stand and be counted for Him. These things aren’t wrong because we say so, they are wrong because He has declared it so. Fight! Earnestly contend! We should not care if our fight makes us unpopular with the world. Can there be a greater honor than to be hated for His namesake?

It has been said that the church attracts the world when it acts the least like the world. I believe The Lord will honor the faithfulness of His people. He can’t give us victory in a battle we are too weak and cowardly to wage. He is sovereign. He may have given this nation over, but His people should go down carrying His banner.

“The words of the Lord hurt and offend until there is nothing left to hurt and offend. Jesus Christ has no tenderness whatever toward anything that is ultimately going to ruin a man in the service of God.”
—Oswald Chambers


13 posted on 09/20/2013 5:17:53 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: NYer

I wonder if any young, poorly catechised Catholic women who are considering abortion, will use the Pope’s confusing statements (and the media’s celebration) to assuage their troubled conscience as they go ahead and kill their baby.


14 posted on 09/20/2013 5:25:22 AM PDT by Never on my watch (GALT)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

Great response.The main stream media will always twist what the Pope says.From the interview in America you get a good idea of the role of the Church today by reading just the section entitled ‘The Church as a field Hospital’


15 posted on 09/20/2013 5:29:58 AM PDT by ardara
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To: NYer

Now I know my dad was right in saying the catholic church will bring in the false prophet! Wonder why Benedict had to resign to bring in a possible apostate? What does abortion, homosexual marriage, and other social issues have to do with faith? If we can just get rid of our orthodox beliefs, we can bring in an era of world harmony. We now have a possible antichrist and false prophet, but where is the beast?


16 posted on 09/20/2013 5:39:52 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment (Proud member of the 48% . . giver not a taker)
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To: kelly4c

Time will tell whether his focus is reaching others with the love of Christ or if he is watering down doctrine.

Mel


17 posted on 09/20/2013 5:55:53 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
When one is in a position of spiritual leadership there is a great temptation to speak soothing words to win the admiration of the opposition. Too bad for us that the job of the church is to speak truth and truth always. If we are doing it right, our words scorch and discomfit those who are perishing. But to the saints those same words have the sweet savor of salvation.

Anything else is tickling itching ears.

18 posted on 09/20/2013 5:57:26 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: NYer

I love this man’s obsession with Jesus and His Gospel, and his sincere humility. First Pope I’ve really resonated with in a long, long time.


19 posted on 09/20/2013 6:01:51 AM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: Never on my watch

That is my fear. That confused young people will hear these cryptic utterances and use them to justify their sinful lifestyles.


20 posted on 09/20/2013 6:04:33 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Theo

I am glad to read that.


21 posted on 09/20/2013 6:08:50 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Ann Archy

His Holiness said: “it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time”. Because without conversion to the Catholic Church you cannot expect to fix the society, and the conversion has to be for Christ, not merely against our legal system, awful that it is.


22 posted on 09/20/2013 6:12:13 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Smedley

Contraception is just as evil as an abortion. It prevents the formation of a fetus and harms the woman too.


23 posted on 09/20/2013 6:30:47 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SumProVita

BTTT!


24 posted on 09/20/2013 6:32:07 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

**draw them to Christ’s love and the mercy he will give them...and they will come to understand and change.**

Amen.....you nailed it.


25 posted on 09/20/2013 6:33:37 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 2nd Amendment

**What does abortion, homosexual marriage, and other social issues have to do with faith?**

Now go one step deeper into your statement. Are abortion, homosexual marriage and other issues part of some people’s LACK of faith?

Bring them back to Christ gently.....that’s what the Pope is saying.


26 posted on 09/20/2013 6:35:47 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: melsec; Ann Archy; kelly4c
While I am not very comfortable in trying to interpret his words I think the Pope is trying to say we need to introduce people to God first.

Kelly, I am including you in this response, as well. Freeper melsec has presented a very good understanding of how Pope Francis approaches sin in contemporary society. Perhaps because modern man is more educated than previous generations, he has elevated himself above church teaching. As melsec points out "Sometimes a preoccupation with specific sin/sinners seems to undermine, in people’s minds, the story of God’s salvific capacity to change people!"

Essentially, to reach sinners, preaching is no longer sufficient. It creates a gap which some are unable to bridge. The pope points out first and foremost that he too is a sinner. He stretches forth his hand to help guide these souls back to God. He does not back down from church teaching. If anything, he takes from the Gospels and applies it to present day events.

Consider Luke 19. Here we meet Zacchaeus, "a chief tax collector and also a wealthy man". That's 2 strikes against him, in that society. {Tax collectors are generally described as being greedy, and taking more money than they are entitled to.) Zacchaeus is "seeking to see who Jesus was; but he could not see him because of the crowd, for he was short in stature". So he runs ahead of Jesus and climbs a sycamore tree in order to get a better view. What happens next? When he reached the place, Jesus looked up and said to him, "Zacchaeus, come down quickly, for today I must stay at your house." Now, look at the reaction of the crowd: When they all saw this, they began to grumble, saying, "He has gone to stay at the house of a sinner." There was outrage from the crowds that Jesus would rather be the guest of a sinner than of a more respectable or "righteous" person.

How does Jesus react? He says: "Today salvation has come to this house because this man too is a descendant of Abraham. For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save what was lost."

Jesus was a very controversial figure in His time. According to scripture, many of His disciples walked away because His teachings were too hard to follow.

With the above quotes, one must step back and look at the big picture. The church has tried to preach to sinners, but some are too attached to their sins to listen. Pope Francis is modeling himself on the actions of Jesus and reaching out to the sinners, inviting them to meet Jesus, the only One who can convert hardened hearts.

27 posted on 09/20/2013 6:42:31 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: Salvation

I can agree, but do not compromise your principles! Christ said he will bring brother against brother. If they hated Me they will hate you. Compromise is a slippery slope that leads to spiritual ruin. Ala. United Methodist, Episcopal, Presbyterian, American Baptist, etc. etc. “Go and sin no more”
The life of the unborn and one man, one woman, one life cannot be compromised.


28 posted on 09/20/2013 6:52:12 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment (Proud member of the 48% . . giver not a taker)
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To: NYer
I am truly troubled that the Pope feels the church needs to change its focus on gays and abortion "or the Church might fall like a house of cards,.......if it doesn't balance its divisive rules!"

What does he mean by that?

Further into the article, "the Church, has locked itself up in small minded rules," as well as his quote two months ago when asked about gay priests, "Who am I to judge?"

He's absolutely right on that one, he isn't The One who judges but does he think active homosexuals have any place in the Church he was placed in charge of?

Whew, my head is spinning here!

29 posted on 09/20/2013 6:52:45 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: 2nd Amendment

Where did I speak about compromising principles?

The Catholic Church is the only church that has stood staunchly against contraception, homsexual marriage, abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, in-vitro fertilization, etc.

I haven’t seen compromise.


30 posted on 09/20/2013 6:56:52 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: jersey117; NYer
Wait a second, jersey.

When Pope Francis explicitly defends the Sanctity of Life, does it get covered in the news?

This is absolutely worth the less-than-a-minute it will take to get the gist and read the comments too.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3069066/posts

31 posted on 09/20/2013 7:23:24 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I have been caught in the loving nets of the Divine Fisherman." - St. Teresa of the Andes)
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To: NYer

Your response was absolutely beautiful. I agree with all that you said, especially with: “Pope Francis is modeling himself on the actions of Jesus and reaching out to the sinners, inviting them to meet Jesus, the only One who can convert hardened hearts.”


32 posted on 09/20/2013 7:34:00 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Salvation

Okay, Okay, Okay . I ask your forgiveness for disparaging Pope Francis. Honestly, I am an evangelical that looks to the leadership of the Catholic church to define and reinforce orthodoxy. I am extremely critical of any attempt by any church or anybody to compromise the verbal and plenary inspiration of holy scripture. I’ve read Bonhoeffer and realize the damage that is done when the Church compromises with societal or political norms.


33 posted on 09/20/2013 7:44:33 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment (Proud member of the 48% . . giver not a taker)
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To: jersey117

Oh for pete’s sake. There is nothing that he has said that is any different from anything the Church has taught since the beginning. The problem of many people here, however, is that with the miserable instruction they have received since Vatican II, they don’t really know what the Church has been teaching all along and the Pope’s statements on it come as a complete surprise to them.

However, that said, he gave a long talk to a group of medical professionals yesterday on the sanctity of life, how it was the duty of the medical profession to defend life at all times, how it was the essential right, how the lives of everyone, even the most socially marginalized (unborn, handicapped, elderly), must be defended at all costs, etc.

Exactly what else is it that you wish him to say?


34 posted on 09/20/2013 7:59:26 AM PDT by livius
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I understand the gist of where he’s coming from. But his words have implications. I don’t think he should have used the term “small-minded” when talking about abortion and gays. The Catholic Church is the last line of defense for that which we hold dear — the sanctity of life and the sacrament of marriage. He should choose his words carefully.


35 posted on 09/20/2013 8:06:32 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: NYer

“Essentially, to reach sinners, preaching is no longer sufficient. It creates a gap which some are unable to bridge.”

Jesus had that problem too. So when people rejected him for saying, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe....For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me....”, he went on to say, “But I love you and will walk beside you and care for you and we can work out the details later”. THEN the masses followed Jesus...

Or is that NOT the way the story goes? Hmmm...

After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. So Jesus said to the Twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”

You write:

“The church has tried to preach to sinners, but some are too attached to their sins to listen. Pope Francis is modeling himself on the actions of Jesus and reaching out to the sinners, inviting them to meet Jesus, the only One who can convert hardened hearts.”

But neither Jesus nor the Apostles sought to convert everyone. Nor did they modify their message. Peter’s message was “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”

Stephen preached:

““You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered, you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it.” Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him.”

In Acts 13 we read:

“Beware, therefore, lest what is said in the Prophets should come about:

“‘Look, you scoffers,
be astounded and perish;
for I am doing a work in your days,
a work that you will not believe, even if one tells it to you.’”

...And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, saying, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken first to you. Since you thrust it aside and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.”

You cite Luke 19, but “Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord, “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor. And if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I restore it fourfold.” And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, since he also is a son of Abraham. For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

We must go to the lost, but we cannot just take them in without repentance. We must accept the truth of the parable of the sower...


36 posted on 09/20/2013 8:30:28 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Ann Archy

Catholics were the only ones that stood up for life after Roe v. Wade. It’s good to see that after 40 years other Christian faiths are with us. 40 Days for Life was started by a Catholic. Catholic orphanages have closed down because they refuse to place children with same-sex couples. Catholics have spoken loud and clear about the evils of unnatural marriage. It is the media that is obsessed with it, and will not report anything other than positive stories from liberals. Catholics are ignored in the media, unless there is some type of scandal involved.


37 posted on 09/20/2013 8:33:43 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: jboot

They’re never going to repent unless they get called by the Lord and fall in love with God. They have to acknowledge that they’re doing wrong before they can repent, and the only way they can know what is wrong is by first finding what is good.

The Pope is saying that if we’re starting with a focus on how evil people are before anything else, nobody was ever converted by that.


38 posted on 09/20/2013 8:39:41 AM PDT by livius
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To: Theo

AMEN to that!


39 posted on 09/20/2013 8:51:46 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: jboot

Post number 38 is correct.

See Luke 7:36-50.


40 posted on 09/20/2013 8:56:45 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Salvation

Abstinence prevents the formation of a fetus. I suppose that is evil too


41 posted on 09/20/2013 9:11:23 AM PDT by Smedley (It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

Thanks for posting the link. Reading the interview made me realize that Pope Francis speaks from the perspective of Ignatian spirituality. Familiarity with the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius Loyola is essential in understanding his remarks.


42 posted on 09/20/2013 9:32:53 AM PDT by rwa265 (Compete well for the faith, lay hold of eternal life (1 Timothy 6))
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To: zerosix
I am truly troubled that the Pope feels the church needs to change its focus on gays and abortion "or the Church might fall like a house of cards,.......if it doesn't balance its divisive rules!" What does he mean by that?

See my post #27.

43 posted on 09/20/2013 10:08:29 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

You missed other choice quotes.

He goes on and on about how he is amazed how many complaints Rome gets about orthodoxy!!

He will have to answer to God when he dies!

If the head of Planned Parenthood or NARAL or some other pro-abortion group made pro-abortion comments, no one would notice. But when the Pope dramatically softens the Church’s condemnation of abortion, the whole world notices. Never before did we have a Pope who minimized the sin of murder!

And yes, I have looked at the actual interview, not just what was reported by the media. In this case, the media, if anything, was understating the story. There was no media bias here, and I am tired of Catholics always condemning the media but never condemning the Pope.

How many babies will dies now due to Catholics being silent on abortion?

Give me Alexander VI as Pope with drunken orgies or whatever he did. I would rather have that than pro-lifers stabbed in the back, or unborn babies stabbed in the back of their necks.


44 posted on 09/20/2013 10:42:32 AM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: jersey117
I'm inclined to agree. We're used to the precise language of a gifted academic theologian, Papa Benedict, who expressed himself in an exact and yet often a beautiful way.

Pope Francis is much more colloquial and off-the-cuff. This would be fine for people who have been rooted in the "Deep Context" for awhile and share a full deck of unstated Catholic assumptions, but it's just one can-o-worms after another in the hands of the secular, the shallow and the worldly.

Not to mention those who are deliberately manipulative in the EneMedia. I'm not sure Papa Francis is quite up to speed on that.

45 posted on 09/20/2013 10:49:06 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (B.A.S.I.C. = "Brothers and Sisters in Christ")
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To: NYer
Thanks, NYer......I understand and took into my heart what you said, but Zacchaeus CAME to Jesus first. So did the Military man.....and many, many others.

just didn't like the Pope saying that Atheists get to heaven also!! I think that is SCANDALOUS and not what Jesus said at all!!

I am very upset....something I haven't been with any of the previous Popes. Maybe it's his inner JESUIT showing itself.

46 posted on 09/20/2013 12:48:53 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: jersey117

Amen...”small minded” MArginalized the true sin of abortion and homosexuality.


47 posted on 09/20/2013 12:50:10 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: SumProVita; livius; jboot; Mr Rogers; melsec; Ann Archy; kelly4c
Your response was absolutely beautiful. I agree with all that you said

For the benefit of livius and jboot, this is in response to my post #27.

Of course the comments posted by some to this thread, and others, parallel the Parable of the Prodigal Son.

In Luke 15, we read "Now the older son had been out in the field and, on his way back, as he neared the house, he heard the sound of music and dancing." Note how our Lord makes him the "older" brother ; - ) He asks the servants what's going on and they tell him ‘Your brother has returned and your father has slaughtered the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’ You can imagine his thoughts: his younger brother took his inheritance and left home, then blew it on a prolifigate lifestyle while he, the older one, stayed on to work and care for their father. He reacts: "He became angry, and when he refused to enter the house, his father came out and pleaded with him." In what seems like justifiable wrath, he explains: He said to his father in reply, ‘Look, all these years I served you and not once did I disobey your orders; yet you never gave me even a young goat to feast on with my friends. But when your son returns who swallowed up your property with prostitutes, for him you slaughter the fattened calf.’ (In biblical times, people would often keep at least one piece of livestock that was fed a special diet to fatten it up, thus making it more flavorful when prepared as a meal. Slaughtering this livestock was to be done on rare and special occasions. Thus when the prodigal son returns, the father "kills the fatted calf" to show that the celebration is out of the ordinary.)

Does this not reflect the emotions shown by some freepers? But, how does the father reply? ‘My son, you are here with me always; everything I have is yours.' Each time I hear this Gospel read, those words bore deep into my heart. And his father continues: "But now we must celebrate and rejoice, because your brother was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’”

For the benefit of all, the key to this Gospel is the repentance of the younger son. THAT is what Pope Francis is hoping to accomplish. We who have held fast to the truth need to encourage those who have strayed to return. Fr. Dwight Longenecker in his posting, tackles the issues, succinctly. Reflecting on those who were poorly catechized, He writes:

Suddenly they didn’t know that they needed a savior–someone who supernaturally forgave them of their sins because they didn’t know that they were sinners because we didn’t tell them what sin was.

The preacher who points out sin is not a bad guy–he’s a good guy–like the doctor who gives the bad news that what you thought was heartburn is actually cancer and you need surgery and quick. If he just pats you on the head and smiles and gives you an aspirin he may be a nice guy, but he’s not a good doctor.

Here’s the big question: How do we begin to tell people about sin and the need for the Divine Mercy? As the Pope has pointed out in today’s interview just telling people they are sinners in an arbitrary way doesn’t make sense. They don’t know why what they are doing is wrong. Just saying that it’s wrong because the Bible says so doesn’t work. They don’t believe the Bible. Just saying it’s wrong because I am an authority figure and I say it’s wrong doesn’t work because they do not accept my authority.

Those who are miserable and despairing must see that we are radiant and abundantly happy. Those who are lost in the darkness of their selfishness and sin must see that Christians have hope, have meaning and most of all have love for one another and for them.

We can approach life's storms and battles with joy and hope because of our love Christ and His love for us. Isn't this worth sharing?!

48 posted on 09/20/2013 1:11:52 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Excellent! Thank you for posting. Wise words from Fr. Longenecker.


49 posted on 09/20/2013 1:17:39 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Ann Archy
Help......I am VERY conflicted about his remarks about the gays, abortions,contraception and women having more power in the Church...VERY conflicted.

Yeah, I am, too.

As long as this statement stands:

"but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time"

I will continue wondering if St. Malachy was right.

In addition, when many priests hear "don't talk about them all the time", it will be interpreted as "never talk about them" (which many don't anyway).

50 posted on 09/20/2013 1:25:18 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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