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The key to understanding Pope Francis: the 99 lost sheep
Catholic Culture ^ | September 20, 2013 | Phil Lawler

Posted on 09/21/2013 7:01:20 AM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 09/21/2013 7:01:20 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
Monsignor Charles Pope recently addressed the Parable of the Lost Sheep in one of his blog posts. He writes:

The Parable of the Lost Sheep- The Lord speaks of a shepherd who leaves ninety-nine sheep to search for one who is lost. Would a shepherd likely do this? Probably not! The passage drips with irony, even absurdity. Perhaps if the lost sheep was near at hand he might venture over the next hill. But the average human shepherd would cut his losses and stay with the ninety-nine. Many of us might even consider it irresponsible to leave ninety-nine to search for one. It's crazy!
Crazy! A Homily for the 24th Sunday of the Year

Ping!

2 posted on 09/21/2013 7:01:47 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

It is their teachings which draw people....be kind, be loving, visit the sick, respect, etc etc....it’s all about purpose and goodness and faith.


3 posted on 09/21/2013 7:26:07 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: NYer
“It’s the 99 who we’re missing!” he said. “In this culture, let’s face it, we have only 1. We are the minority!” [Pope Francis]
Indeed. Loved this article; Phil Lawler is always a good read.
4 posted on 09/21/2013 7:29:58 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: GreyFriar

Ping!


5 posted on 09/21/2013 7:36:24 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: zot; Interesting Times

Zot, One of your favorite parables.


6 posted on 09/21/2013 7:44:33 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NYer

A pastoral outréach is great. But I pray the church will continue preaching the moral message, too. Right now there are so few places other than the church where basic morality is even considered (other than as fodder for jokes).


7 posted on 09/21/2013 8:02:33 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (Er)
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To: faithhopecharity
But I pray the church will continue preaching the moral message, too.

Indeed, failing to warn those of the consequences of their actions isn't going to help them, or us, in the long run.

8 posted on 09/21/2013 8:16:07 AM PDT by Errant
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To: NYer

If the medium’s still the message, the Vatican PR folks certainly chose the wrong magazine, despite the Pope’s connection with its publishers, to explain the “new” message. The ultra-leftist “America” has been propping up the so-called “theology” of the so-called “99” for 3/4 of a century! No orthodox Catholic will take a word in this article at face-value.


9 posted on 09/21/2013 8:36:05 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: Errant
This may interest and encourage you.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3069378/posts

10 posted on 09/21/2013 8:42:06 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God." -- -1 John 4:7)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Not much encouragement there, I'm afraid, as the blood of those destroyed in the womb will be paid for in kind by the blood of the unrepentant of world.

IMO, it's only a matter of time before the Almighty puts an end to the wholesale slaughter of these innocents.

The good Pope would do better to more forcibly warn of this sin against both God and humanity.

11 posted on 09/21/2013 8:57:15 AM PDT by Errant
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To: NYer

http://www.americamagazine.org/pope-interview

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12 posted on 09/21/2013 9:00:45 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: faithhopecharity

Did you see his address to medical personnel the next day where he did not change one iota on the abortion issue?


13 posted on 09/21/2013 9:02:49 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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I think that instead of trying to convert the unbelievers, the Pope would do better to court the protestant churches and to try to convince them to rejoin the catholic line. He may be only 1 sheep of a 100, but the 99 are still mostly christian believers, they just aren’t catholic. In particular, he should more forcefully address their sola fide and sola scriptura doctrines. If he presented concrete scriptural evidence for the necessity of good works and of the sacraments, and presented it directly to the ministers of the protestant churches instead of their constituents who listen to the ministers before the Pope, the reunification of the church just might happen.


14 posted on 09/21/2013 9:34:02 AM PDT by Driabrin
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To: Errant; Mrs. Don-o
The good Pope would do better to more forcibly warn of this sin against both God and humanity.

I posted the following link on another thread but perhaps you missed it. Fr. Longenecker pinpoints the problem, most insightfully.

Beginning in the 60's, Christian preachers started to play down the sin thing. People were ‘sick’ not sinful. They were ‘wounded’ and needed healing. They were ‘confused’ and needed guidance’ they were lost and needed to be found. They were OK, they just needed to find out that they were OK.

A few generations went by and people no longer understood what this thing called ‘sin’ was at all. Furthermore we told them that they were wounded and lost and confused and sick, but they told us they didn’t feel wounded or lost or sick or confused so we clearly had the problem they didn’t.

Suddenly they didn’t know that they needed a savior–someone who supernaturally forgave them of their sins because they didn’t know that they were sinners because we didn’t tell them what sin was.

The high standards of Catholic moral teaching are given as a criteria for diagnosis of the human condition. The preacher who points out sin is not a bad guy–he’s a good guy–like the doctor who gives the bad news that what you thought was heartburn is actually cancer and you need surgery and quick. If he just pats you on the head and smiles and gives you an aspirin he may be a nice guy, but he’s not a good doctor.

As the Pope has pointed out in today’s interview just telling people they are sinners in an arbitrary way doesn’t make sense. They don’t know why what they are doing is wrong. Just saying that it’s wrong because the Bible says so doesn’t work. They don’t believe the Bible. Just saying it’s wrong because I am an authority figure and I say it’s wrong doesn’t work because they do not accept my authority.

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Essentially, moral relativism has taken over in western society. What was once considered sin has been twisted by this society, even to its legalization. Preaching is no longer effective when people respond that government has given them them their legal rights. Hence, they begin to doubt the existence of God. Think carefully about that ... look around you ... those folks cohabiting outside of marriage, contracepting, aborting their unwanted children ... all legal ... are "attached" to their sin and blinded by its legalization. To reach them, requires a more loving approach.

15 posted on 09/21/2013 9:45:59 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To reach them, requires a more loving approach.

Sorry, but good luck with that.

A better approach would be presenting them with an undeniable proof of YHVH's existence and the outcome of inequity gone unchecked. Unfortunately most Christian religions are failing miserably in this fundamental area.

To reach them requires removing the mistranslations, inconsistences, and outright fabrications being presented as the Word of the Almighty today. People are much smarter today and better able to think for themselves.

What they really need, and are seeking, is the truth! Someone holding their hand and telling them they are really good little boys and girls and that everything will be alright, isn't going to work, and will only lead to more iniquity.

This was all was prophesied thousands of years ago and we're seeing those prophecies being fulfilled right before our eyes.

Respectfully,

16 posted on 09/21/2013 10:37:11 AM PDT by Errant
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In particular, he should more forcefully address their sola fide and sola scriptura doctrines. If he presented concrete scriptural evidence for the necessity of good works

Unfortunately, Scripture doesn't agree with him on those subjects, so he wouldn't be able to use them. As far as good works go, they show faith, they don't accrue salvatory credits or merit, that has already happened through Christ.

17 posted on 09/21/2013 10:49:34 AM PDT by xone
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To: Errant
"...removing the mistranslations, inconsistencies, and outright fabrications being presented as the Word of the Almighty today."

I have been reading a little about Bart Ehrman, a Scripture scholar who has been doing a lot of writing and speaking over the past 20 ore 30 years about what he would call about the "mistranslations, inconsistencies, and outright fabrication" in Scripture. This approach has resulted in his conversion from Evangelical Christianity to agnosticism, and has acted as a solvent, dissolving the faith of hundreds of students he has influenced.

I'm not sure I understand your point: how does a debunking and skeptical approach toward our received Scripture assist in people's moral guidance?

"People are much smarter today"

That I find dubious.

18 posted on 09/21/2013 11:20:26 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (When you see a fork in the road, take it. - Yogi Berra)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"People are much smarter today"

>That I find dubious.

LOL, in a way you have a point, however it depends on the grading curve you are using. In this case, we have to use a very large one. :)

I'm not familiar with Bart Ehrman, or his teachings. Therefore unable to even hazard a guess as to what the problem might be. I do know of fast growing movements to uncover the truth and to share what they've discovered.

Unlike many other beliefs that are seeing a decline in membership, these assemblies are growing daily and very enthusiastic about their journey to a better understanding.

The unleavened truth is for more convincing than manmade fabrications or misunderstandings could ever be.

19 posted on 09/21/2013 11:46:26 AM PDT by Errant
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To: NYer

A visiting priest gave an interesting homily on this parable. He said that a shepherd would leave the 99 if he had a sheep dog to watch them. Then he said: “I am God’s sheep dog.”


20 posted on 09/21/2013 11:53:43 AM PDT by rwa265 (Compete well for the faith, lay hold of eternal life (1 Timothy 6))
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