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1 posted on 09/21/2013 3:20:01 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 09/21/2013 3:20:42 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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BTTT for later.


3 posted on 09/21/2013 3:21:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Isn't it a shame that so many neo-Cat's are feeling the need to attempt to explain/defend the Pope's interview because so many liberals, heretics, et al have praised the same interview so much?

Pope Francis: music to my progressive Catholic ears

4 posted on 09/21/2013 3:55:20 PM PDT by ebb tide
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I read through the entire interview, and underlined the following statements that I believe tell me how this Pontificate will run. Heresy at the top is not a requirement for Modernism to have its way. Ambiguity and focus (what will be dwelt on and what will be left alone, what will be damned with faint/feint praise, and what will be praised with faint/feint damnation) create a wonderful climate for the 70s to return. This does not mean that I will not be examining my heart in light of the Holy Spirit to guide me to understand His Divine Will. I wish nothing but to be a true son of Holy Mother Church.

‘See everything; turn a blind eye to much; correct a little.’

There have been periods in the Society in which Jesuits have lived in an environment of closed and rigid thought, more instructive-ascetic than mystical: this distortion of Jesuit life gave birth to the Epitome Instituti.”

I am rather close to the mystical movement, that of Louis Lallement and Jean-Joseph Surin. And Faber was a mystic.”

I lived a time of great interior crisis when I was in Cordova. To be sure, I have never been like Blessed Imelda [a goody-goody], but I have never been a right-winger. It was my authoritarian way of making decisions that created problems.

And all the faithful, considered as a whole, are infallible in matters of belief, and the people display this infallibilitas in credendo, this infallibility in believing, through a supernatural sense of the faith of all the people walking together.

“This church with which we should be thinking is the home of all, not a small chapel that can hold only a small group of selected people. We must not reduce the bosom of the universal church to a nest protecting our mediocrity

We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.

The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. “The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. Proclamation in a missionary style focuses on the essentials

The proposal of the Gospel must be more simple, profound, radiant. It is from this proposition that the moral consequences then flow.

“Vatican II was a re-reading of the Gospel in light of contemporary culture,” says the pope. “Vatican II produced a renewal movement that simply comes from the same Gospel. Its fruits are enormous. Just recall the liturgy. The work of liturgical reform has been a service to the people as a re-reading of the Gospel from a concrete historical situation. Yes, there are hermeneutics of continuity and discontinuity, but one thing is clear: the dynamic of reading the Gospel, actualizing its message for today—which was typical of Vatican II—is absolutely irreversible. Then there are particular issues, like the liturgy according to the Vetus Ordo. I think the decision of Pope Benedict [his decision of July 7, 2007, to allow a wider use of the Tridentine Mass] was prudent and motivated by the desire to help people who have this sensitivity. What is worrying, though, is the risk of the ideologization of the Vetus Ordo, its exploitation.”

.“If the Christian is a restorationist, a legalist, if he wants everything clear and safe, then he will find nothing. Tradition and memory of the past must help us to have the courage to open up new areas to God. Those who today always look for disciplinarian solutions, those who long for an exaggerated doctrinal ‘security,’ those who stubbornly try to recover a past that no longer exists­—they have a static and inward-directed view of things. In this way, faith becomes an ideology among other ideologies.

“Even the dogma of the Christian religion must follow these laws, consolidating over the years, developing over time, deepening with age.”

The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong.

Unfortunately, I studied philosophy from textbooks that came from decadent or largely bankrupt Thomism. In thinking of the human being, therefore, the church should strive for genius and not for decadence.


5 posted on 09/21/2013 4:06:18 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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