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1 posted on 09/21/2013 5:54:44 PM PDT by fatima
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To: fatima

I’m happy. Neener neener.


4 posted on 09/21/2013 6:00:04 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Prioritize!)
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To: fatima

I have no problem with him.


7 posted on 09/21/2013 6:03:52 PM PDT by verga (Lasciante ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate.)
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To: fatima

liberals love him today but will hate him tomorrow...they all think he’s going to say the church is okay with homosexuality and abortion- never going to happen...

fact that he said Catholics should not judge gays is a good thing- he never said he was accepting of homosexuality;

hate the sin, love the sinner- sound familiar???


12 posted on 09/21/2013 6:14:18 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: fatima
I don't explain a Pope. I don't need to explain a Pope. People who know nothing about the Pope try to explain him to me like five blind guys explaining an elephant.

He has his way of looking at the world, and that's nice. And if the nonbelievers, and those of other faiths, like it, fine. Great.

But he's where he needs to be on doctrine. Everything else is organization and window dressing.

When saying not to obsess about 3 or 4 topics, I responded, "Yeah, he's concerned with A LOT MORE than JUST those. Not that he's NOT concerned with those, or that's he's relaxing anything."

People will take anything they like out of context and say that their definition of the man defines the man. No, Francis will define himself, and he'll do that more and more every day.

Funny, not too many people seem to be in my face about his abortion speech a day after saying we should obsess over it. Go figure.

25 posted on 09/21/2013 6:35:49 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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I suspect what we're seeing is a form of rope-a-dope* on those who will in all likelihood never accept authentic Catholic teaching on homosexuality, abortion, and contraception.

Eventually, and I think very soon, Francis will clarify his statements and they will prove completely consistent with Catholic teaching and not a "wonderful, hopeful change."

For the first time in their unthinking lives these same people, who could barely contain their enthusiasm only yesterday, are going to have to use reason to defend their positions, positions they "felt" their way to rather than having arrived at them by reason.

I suspect almost all will go away sad like the wealthy young man who wouldn't sell all his possessions to follow Christ.

*Okay, that's probably not the right term but I can't think of a feint that suckers the opponent into thinking he's got he's got his opposition on the ropes only to have the tables turned on him.

31 posted on 09/21/2013 6:47:51 PM PDT by Oratam
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OK, I'll vote conservative...

but I must tell you that it's years since I could use the terms conservative/liberal, or Right/Left, without a conscious sense of irony.

I always list my political principles as "Catholic." If the Pope votes "Catholic" too, that's all I ask.

38 posted on 09/21/2013 6:58:21 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana." - Groucho Marx)
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To: fatima

The way of the Cross is not subject to polling maneuvers, but appears as folly. To the extent the Pope is faithful the Sacred Scriptures, he will be subject to bad polling results and more. In this he may rejoice.


48 posted on 09/21/2013 7:54:06 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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I am conservative and I am happy with him. I think conservatives that are not happy with him are being manipulated by the press. You had to read the whole interview carefully to understand what he actually said, not what the leftists hoped he had said. In a year they will turn on him when they find out nothing has changed in their direction.


57 posted on 09/21/2013 8:57:09 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: fatima

Oh ye of little faith. Christ is in charge.


59 posted on 09/21/2013 9:38:53 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: fatima; Tax-chick; verga; God luvs America; Little Ray; Morpheus2009; Tanniker Smith; Oratam; ...
In his Mass April 19th, the Holy Father made this observation:

…They are the ones who walk only “on the path of duty”: theirs is the moralis[tic outlook] of those who pretend to understand the Gospel with their heads alone. They are not “on the road to conversion, that conversion to which Jesus calls us.”

And these, on the road of duty, load everything on the shoulders of the faithful. The ideologues falsify the gospel. Every ideological interpretation, wherever it comes from – from [whatever side] – is a falsification of the Gospel. And these ideologues – as we have seen in the history of the Church – end up being intellectuals without talent, ethicists without goodness – and let us not so much as mention beauty, of which they understand nothing.

"Rather,” said Pope Francis, “the path of love, the way of the Gospel, is simple: it is the road that the Saints understood”:

The saints are those who lead the Church forward! The road of conversion, the way of humility, of love, of the heart, the way of beauty ... Today let us pray to the Lord for the Church: that the Lord might free her from any ideological interpretation and open the heart of the Church, our Mother Church, to the simple Gospel, to that pure Gospel that speaks to us of love, which brings love, and is so beautiful! It also makes us beautiful, with the beauty of holiness. Today let us pray for the Church.

What I've seen go on consistently since his election is that the left has attempted to shoe-horn him into their socialistic, sexually libertine form of pseudo-orthodoxy. They do not know how to listen to the Gospel and let the gospel transform them, they attempt to transform the gospel so that it fits within their narrow ideology.

(As has been mentioned before) Then I see conservatives react with panic to this and either attempt to explain what he says away or write off the Holy Father as actually being the caricature that the socialists have painted.

What concerns me is that I expect, at some point, to see this caricature to begin being referenced inside the (hyper-liberal) US Church. I expect to see some of the more left-leaning bishops to start using NY Times quotes about him as justification for their left-leaning positions; I expect some Marxist priests to use the National Schismatic Fishwrap's analyses as a validation for their liberation theology; I expect a great number of the social justice offices in diocesan chanceries to use his concern for the poor as a rationale for their political support for enslavement of the US population.


In answer to your specific questions:


60 posted on 09/22/2013 2:24:50 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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Well Fatima, when someone tells it like it is, and the press twists their words, you may bet people will be unhappy.

I for one am getting tired of the lamestream media twisting Francis’ words more so than any conservative not agreeing with him.


63 posted on 09/22/2013 7:52:38 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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