Are We Really Catholic Bashing?

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[jodyel]

I am interested in talking to those that the Lord draws to me...not those who want to defend religion.

You are free to believe as you wish, mlizzy.

God bless,
jodyel

[Rashputin]

"There is no proof that Sirach was written before Jesus Christ showed up..."

Three copies of it are among the Dead Sea Scolls all of which have been dated as havng been wrtten prior to the birth of Christ.

I forgot to include Dr. Sivana so here's the TRUTH rather than the propaganda one more time

[jodyel]

The go to and stay in your religion, Legatus.

I will not stop you.

Thanks for posting,
jodyel

[Zionist Conspirator]

The people described in this post are not missionaries, by definition.

True missionaries seek out those who have never believed and teach them the Gospel.

They do not cozen people who already stand up in church every Sunday and pray the Lord's Prayer into joining a new sect.

If they believe that the very essence of the gospel is salvation through an antinomian loophole via the vicarious damnation of a divine scapegoat (and therefore that any and every religion that insists on human cooperation is the ultimate lie of "the devil") then they do.

[Rashputin]

The answer to the question posed in the title of this propaganda piece is

[Zionist Conspirator]

Afterthought: Is this why the Catholic Church refuses to engage in missionary activity among Protestants? Because Protestants are "saved" already? This sounds an awful lot like masonic "tolerance."

How ironic that my own experience with the church might have been very different if I had only been born to a cannibal tribe in New Guinea.

[jodyel]

Thanks for posting, Rashputin.

[Owl558]

“{If you are a Protestant determined to save all the Catholics you meet from “damnation,” you are obnoxious.”

I think most American Catholics have had the experience of being condemned to hell by some Protestant or another. I have had many prideful evengelicals lecture me on what I believe with 1000% certainty, that I worship Mary, that I pray to statues, that I’m not a REAL Christian, and on and on.

My trouble is not with such things, which are easily corrected. It is how some people will refuse or dismiss being corrected. I’m sure Catholics do the same all the time too, but in my experience, Protestants (boy, that’s a broad brush) seem particularly driven to dismiss/condemn Catholicism out of hand.

Just look at what the poster of this article is doing as an example. The person posted the article, Catholics respond, and the poster then dismisses them, by saying “Go your own way”.

So what, then, is the purpose of posting this article in the first place? It’s not to bring Protestants and Catholics closer together. It’s not for God’s glory. It’s not to have a discussion. No misunderstandings are being cleared up. So what then?

Forgive me for saying, but EGO seems to be a/the driving force behind such behavior. I think many well-meaning Protestants do this to reinforce things their preachers tell them about Catholice in Church, bible-school, or wherever. I have seen preachers, who should know better, doing this from the pulpit, no less. Conversely, in 50-years, I have never heard a Catholic priest do the same (Not surprised if it happens, but I have never seen it). Catholics generally don’t seem to get as exercised about Protestants ans Protestants get about Catholics.

Again, the sin here is not any well-meaning concern for or Catholic souls. I believe there is mostly LOVE behind the pride. The sin happens when we’re corrected and continue to bear false witness.

[Gamecock]

This question was posed on FR back in 2008: "Bashing" Roman Catholics? (Q&A from the Orthodox Presbyterian Church)

Certainly worth revisiting from a different perspective. Thanks for posting.

[workerbee]

Well said, Owl558. The phrase “concern troll” springs to mind.

[mlizzy]

It is how some people will refuse or dismiss being corrected...Just look at what the poster of this article is doing as an example. The person posted the article, Catholics respond, and the poster then dismisses them, by saying “Go your own way”.

Yes, exactly! No slam to you personally, jodyel, because I see several threads of goodness running through you, and you're a suffering sister in Christ, too, and I well know that road, but don't you think Owl558 has a point?

[Religion Moderator]

The "go your own way" has absolutely no bearing on who can post on an "open" Religion Forum thread.

I understand the "go your own way" means jodyel will not try to proselytize the person she posted it to.

[jodyel]

Ephesians 6:12
King James Version (KJV)

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I’ve no quarrel with you, Owl...thanks for posting.

[mlizzy]

I understand the "go your own way" means jodyel will not try to proselytize the person she posted it to.

That settles that!

Go Your Own Way

If I could
Maybe I'd give you my world
How can I
When you won't take it from me

You can go your own way
Go your own way
You can call it
Another lonely day
You can go your own way
Go your own way...

[Chainmail]

"See you in Heaven! I hope you don’t mind sharing it with us non-Catholic Christians. Because you’ll have to."

I expect to see every one of you there! Christianity is Christianity, as long as we all remember our love, not meaningless bickering.

I suspect that my Protestant brothers and sisters will have less need for Purgatory: those 1-hour sermons are punishment enough...

[Arthur McGowan]

Ooooh! “Religion”!!!

“Religion” means being determined (bound) to give God the worship, obedience, and service that He desires and is due.

It’s such a TERRIBLE thing!

[jodyel]

Thne go to it, arthur...I’ve no wish to stop you.

Thanks for posting again.

[Owl558]

“I’ve no quarrel with you, Owl...thanks for posting.”

Absolutely no quarrel intended and I appologize for questioning anybody’s Christian motivation (I asked forgiveness up front). It also seems I misunderstood your, “Go your own way,” wish (Thank you religion mod).

But I do believe that the discussion is worthy to have, peovided it is respectful and done through the Holy Spirit. It’s an old schizm that we’re still working through.

One thing that I do believe whole-heartedly is that Protestants are saved in the exact same way as Catholics. My personal thinking is that there may be more than one way to get to Christ, but that ALL ROADS pass through him (John 3:16).

[jodyel]

Hi Owl558,

I believe it is important as well, but this forum is not conducive to anything remotely respectful. Which is why I decided to let the Spirit draw who He will to Himself. His word is better than mine any day.

Plus, I’ve seen that attempting to explain how one receives Jesus and is born again and filled with the Spirit is not understood by most Catholics and my further attempts at explanation don’t help.

So from time to time I will post as I believe He leads and let Him open hearts and minds to His truth.

God bless,
jodyel

[WVKayaker]

waaaahhhhh! is what you are getting from them...

I sure read a lot of RC's whining and proclaiming their love for their traditions. The Gospel never falls on deaf ears, but is being heard by those that are sincerely seeking God. It is necessary to be open to the Holy Spirit, and "... in the fullness of time, God sent His Son.". As with all of those who heard Jesus Words firsthand, there are many that will reject God's plan of salvation and seek to replace it with the "traditions of men". Jody, the posting of this thread is hitting them in their hearts and they are hurting because it goes against their groups teachings.

It's really too simple for the Roman Catholics, when all of their lives they have been told their salvation depends on their church and obedience to their church, and yadayadayada to their church, ad infinitum. It is required by them to think that by going through their repetitious prayers and procedures that it will mean something to God and further their place in His Kingdom. But, Rome prefers to place the burden on the people, not allow them trust in the effectual plan God provides of unmerited Grace.

I will end this with a quote from Galatians, but it is just as well aimed at these Roman idolators:

Galatians 3: 3 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? ...

Galatians 5: 5 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. ...