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To: pepsi_junkie; Venturer

Why do you think the Pope said any of the things the newspapers are breathlessly gushing over? He didn’t say that abortion and homosexuality are ok; he simply said, essentially, that we don’t lead with negatives in evangelization. We all know these things are already considered sins by the Church and we don’t have to reinvent the wheel. He said in the very same interview that he was a son of the Church and accepted everything that the Church teaches.

The press has a vested interest in trying to twist his words, and there’s virtually nothing that he can say that they couldn’t find a way to twist. BXVI didn’t give many interviews, but when he did, remember the time the reporters on the plane announced that he was ok with condoms (because they picked some words out of a complicated moral example he was giving them).

They want to make it look, no matter what, like he agrees with them and they also want to indirectly attack BXVI. They actually liked JPII because he never enforced anything and tolerated a lot of unfortunate things, but BXVI was a real target of the press and their hatred of him is sort of religious equivalent of GW Bush and the Dem party.

You are aware that yesterday, the Vatican directly laicized and excommunicated two “dissident” gay-advocacy priests in various parts of the world, after their bishops had failed to act. And that Cdl. Burke announced that Nancy Pelosi meets the conditions to be denied communion (that is, excommunicated) until she repents and publicly acknowledges her error. I wouldn’t be surprise if Cordileone, supposedly her bishop, carries this out. None of these things would happen without the approval of the Pope.

But I bet you’ll see almost no reporting on these things in the mainstream press.


8 posted on 09/25/2013 7:18:12 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius
Why do you think the Pope said any of the things the newspapers are breathlessly gushing over? He didn’t say that abortion and homosexuality are ok; he simply said, essentially, that we don’t lead with negatives in evangelization.

I read what he said. When a Pope says we focus too much on a specific issue, it implies he thinks that issue isn't particularly serious. If abortion = baby killing how can you say it's an issue that we focus on too much? If you think it's a gray area then okay, I see that. So is that how Francis sees it?

You are aware that yesterday, the Vatican directly laicized and excommunicated two “dissident” gay-advocacy priests in various parts of the world, after their bishops had failed to act.

The one I'm familiar with was a priest who wasn't just advocating gay marriage, he desecrated the Eucharist and fed it to animals. Even marxist Father Pflaeger in Chicago won't go that far. And even if Francis is a liberation theologist himself I think he does believe in the holiness of the Eucharist so I don't read any pro or con sentiment about homosexuality in these events.

10 posted on 09/25/2013 7:45:21 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: livius

I would say it is the duty yes duty,of Cdl.Cordileone and of Cdl. Wuerl of the Washington Diocese to see that it is carried out.


18 posted on 09/25/2013 11:42:09 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: livius

“Two” dissidents laicized and excommunicated? I’d just heard of the one in Melbourne, “Mister” Greg Reynolds. Do you have (O be still my beating heart) a link for the other one?


20 posted on 09/25/2013 2:28:29 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What unites us all, of any race, gender, or religion, is that we all believe we are above average.)
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