Posted on 09/25/2013 8:27:57 PM PDT by WXRGina
Reuters and other news agencies are reporting that the Pope has capitulated on several issues such as homosexuality, abortion and contraception.
The Pope’s remarks were taken from a 12,000 word interview with the Jesuit periodical, Civilta Cattolica, (Catholic Civilization) the most prominent statement reaching news agencies is his declaration that the church needs to shake off its obsession with abortion and homosexuality.
The Pope has pleased the liberal factions of the Catholic Church and sickened and worried the conservative members of the church.
Few have reported on the prophetic implications of the Pope’s remarks and with some exceptions, such as those made by Evangelist Bill Keller, most protestant news outlets remain free of op-eds or theological treatment of the Pope’s interview, at the moment.
Biblical Theology and Catholic Teachings – Always at Odds
Hundreds of traditional or patristic teachings of Catholicism are either in direct conflict with the bible or do not exist in the scriptures at all.
The list of theological discrepancies has been addressed repeatedly for centuries and there would be little room to cover them all in one short article.
What we must point out is that on two very important levels, those who stand on scripture can’t ever recognize the authority of the Pope – it has never been a matter of whether they like him or not, nor is it a matter of personal choosing.
First, Because of the Greek rendering of Matthew 16: 18, “That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” Protestants believe that Christ was referring to himself as the Rock, not Peter. This is supported by other scriptural passages, to wit:
“For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” (Mt 16: 18b)
Secondly, not one word in the bible speaks of ‘apostolic succession.’ It is a concoction of the Roman church, not a biblical teaching. It is very difficult even to support the teaching in view of the fact that there was no Catholic church for over 300 years after Christ came into the world. Most Catholics are totally unaware of this fact. They have been told they are the ‘first church,’ but true history betrays them.
Simply because these facts cannot keep the childlike faith of any Catholic from reaching the Savior does not justify or verify the truth of Catholicism’s origins. It is simply a matter of Catholics being saved or redeemed not because of their religion – but in spite of it!
The Real and Present Danger in the Discrepancies between the Papacy and the Bible
Gentle, but firm, is the only way to approach addressing the errors of Catholicism at the same time knowing that millions of Catholics are of the family of faith simply because Jesus said “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” (Jn 6: 37)
Yet, it is more than an item of curiosity or some minor theological difference; it is a dire sense of urgency and concern, especially in the last days, that causes anyone who knows scripture to make fair warning.
I have repeated this warning so often that I think my publishers may think I’ve run out of new things to say. I’ll take that chance, as opposed to risking a confrontation with my Savior for not making it as abundantly clear as possible, while there is still time.
What warning you ask!
Any religion, Catholic or other, that derives its ultimate authority from a man is subject to heresy, apostasy and error depending on the personality, the current state of mind or the evolvement of personal ideologies in that man.
Faith based solely on the scriptures, the written accounts of Christ’s teaching and his Apostles and biblical prophets cannot be altered, changed or disputed until the very last day of time. God intended this; it is his way of grounding us on a rock instead of the sinking sands of a changing and unstable world, to wit:
“Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.” (Mt 7: 24, 25)
Christ relegated his authority to his Apostles and their teachings too are on the same level as his. They were not mere scribes or interpreters of his will they were Holy Spirit inspired and authorized to speak as final authorities.
“He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.” (Lk 10: 16)
Finally, since we will not be judged by what other men say – why would we waste time or risk being found in total error. Why not go to the source of truth and take Christ’s warning seriously?
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” (Jn 12: 48)
So what did the Apostles really say about abortion, homosexuality and issues of the day?
The prophetic part of the bible contradicts the Pope’s assertion that believers are obsessed with homosexuality and abortion. In fact it warns that in the last days it is possession (demonic) that will fuel the slide into apostasy the world over.
Political correctness, floundering Pontiff’s and general acceptance of everything the bible condemns, is proof immutable, that the NWO, apostasy and the emergence of the Antichrist are well on track for the very near future. ‘Just don’t talk about it’ is the advice of fools. If the only choices are between obsession and possession it’s pretty much a no brainer.
Not only is homosexuality referred to as an abomination, to be noted, rebuked and refused as part of the church, but immoral behaviors were cause for people to be put out of the church and not allowed back in until they had fully repented. (1Co 5: 1-7) Should the perversion of same sex acts and marriage be an exception?
The idea of the Pope suggesting that we are over-talking the subject of abortions reaches to the heights of apostasy. The only voices the over two hundred million aborted babies worldwide have - is ours. Telling us to be silent is the moral equivalent of blasphemy.
After the Sandy Hook massacre of innocent children the liberals went after guns with a vengeance. Doesn’t it seem hypocritical that after 60,000,000 abortions in the U.S. and 160,000,000 abortions worldwide that telling us to pipe down is the only thing the Pope can think of to say? We will never be silent, or to borrow a phrase, you can pry my anti-abortion argument from my cold dead lips, but no other way.
The Folly of Following the Fallen
Has the Pope taken his first steps into the last day’s (apostasy) falling away? We can only hope he has not, but if this is the beginning of it, it is also the end of everything as we have known it.
“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.” (2 Th 2: 3)
GREAT JOB! Keeping them on their toes. Keeping it HONEST.
I’ve “gone there” often. The Protestant denominations are indeed the daughters and have retained many of the RCC errors.
Neither was there an “indwelling” of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament when the Jews were the focus as they will be during the tribulation. The two witnesses will preach but those who are saved during the tribulation will not have the protection or the comfort of the Holy Spirit.
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I believe He is the “restrainer” indwelling the true believers and will be removed at the rapture.
I’ve “gone there” often. The Protestant denominations are indeed the daughters and have retained many of the RCC errors.
Hey, don’t be knockin my cream corn or my green bean salad.
IOW, it can have the same affect depending on how the reader reacts.
To avoid flame wars, look for an alternative to the universal "you."
I can see I really riled you up.
Much older than 5, but I heard someone say that we advancing years you should start counting backwards at some point.
It always seems to be “whose ox is getting gored.”
Sitetest,
What are Catholics going to do when persecution out in the real world starts here?
There will not be a religious moderator out there for anyone to ping and say Stop burning us at the stake...that is personal, stop flaying us alive...that is personal....stop beheading us...that is way too personal.
Don’t any of you have eyes to see that I am not the enemy...that the one who deserves your fury is not me but the one who has kept good Catholics in spiritual bondage thru his abomination called the Catholic church?
If all Catholics have known all their lives is to be good and loving and kind, then my words will drive a knife right into their hearts. How many of you will run away and scream and die to anything else I have to say? Quite a lot if my PMs are any indication.
If this exchange on this forum upsets Catholics, then how in the world will all of you ever survive when they come for you outside this box? One of your good Catholics called me a sadomasochist in a PM...what is going to happen to that good Catholic if a real sadomasochist, such as the ones in the Kenyan massacre, get a hold of her? That time is coming and who among you is going to be girded with TRUE faith unto death.
I daresay that your “goodness” faith of light, love, and lollipops will die an even swifter death than Catholics will at the first hint of real bloodshed. So while you guys are all patting yourselves on the back for being good little Catholics and how dare the mean lady say you are not, know this....days are short, Satan is prowling and ready to devour any and all in his path, and it is time to wake up, trust in Christ and nothing else, and be prepared to die.
Unless the article title or content serves no theological debate purpose at all, it will not be removed on the basis that some Freepers are offended by it. Mainstream media articles can have inflammatory titles - the same is true for some historical writings, prophecies, sermons etc.
The "open" RF debate format is the only outlet to discuss such things whether pro or con.
How, oh HOW, can you possibly beat a nice corn casserole with lots of cheese and a little sugar in it? You just can’t.
That wasn’t the original discussion years ago. It was an acknowledgment that we would avoid flame bait in titles.
I’m certain my memory is correct on this.
But, as always, I accept your wisdom and integrity.
you misunderstand when the pope is infallible....he is just a regular man in his personal life and just as much a sinner as we all are....However, when it comes to proclamations, official statements, Ex Cathedra, he cannot make a mistake in matters of Faith and Morals. He cannot, for example declare that the church no longer opposes abortion....can't and won't.
That’s a fact! Made my mouth water just reading that.
WOW, how lucky can we get!!!!!, after 2,000 years of stumbling anong, along comes the prottys to save us from ourselves.....whew, that takes a load off my mind!!
And, yes, on a vanity RF thread, an antagonistic title is a flame war fixing to happen and would probably be pulled. However, the title here matches the linked article.
But members in every niche of the theological debate world must contend with naysayers, e.g. atheists and agnostics. And the "open" RF threads are the best venue for doing just that.
Why would you use the New York Times’s version of the papal interview instead of the original source? Do you at all believe the NYT would report his statement accurately? You’re a FReeper? Trusting the NYT? Honestly?
Because what you are espousing is not TRUE faith.
I am not called to get along with Catholics or work with them....I am called to witness to them and tell them to come out of a dead faith. I am not called to have inter-religious dialogue with people of other faiths or dialogue with anyone at all. I am called to proclaim Christ crucified and lead them to a saving faith in Him and Him alone. That is my duty as a believer in Jesus.
Do your own research on Catholicism and Islam and see if what is happening is not exactly as shown in the article I referenced. Catholics want all people to get along and want to bring peace to the world under the love of a false Christ. You cannot get along with Islam....you either become Muslim or you die....period. How do you think Muslims hear the true Gospel? With death to the Christian is how. Catholics may not kill us but they wail and gnash their teeth and call us names like sadomasochists and shut their ears to the true Gospel.
I know that all Catholics believe they are born again and Spirit filled and that nothing I say will disabuse them of that. But the Spirit of God knows we speak His truth and when He chooses to reveal Himself to any one of you....just as we have said He will...you will then know too.
As I said previously, Sum, I am not the enemy and if Catholics cannot take the truth here and crumble like a stack of dominoes, how will they ever face the real enemy who is coming after them outside of this box and in this world? The only way is to ask Jesus to live in their hearts and fill them with His Spirit. And leave this dead church that knows nothing of Him.
Paul is a fine example of preaching Christ and Christ only and we would all do well to follow his example. I care that not any of you perish but will all know the true Jesus and not the one of the Catholic church. May God open your eyes to Him.
God bless you,
jodyel
of course the scriptures come from God....but He used the Catholics to write them....the Apostles were the early Catholic bishops, Paul and others were also early Catholics. God also used the Catholic church to edit, protect, copy, transcribe....whatever needed, the scripture writings. Through the ages the bible was copied, by hand, in Catholic Monastaries throughout the world. It is because of their efforts in this area that we have the bible today....without the work of God THROUGH the Catholic church, you wouldn't even know what a bible was.....they wrote it, they copied it and they saved it for posterity, through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
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