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Posted on 09/25/2013 8:27:57 PM PDT by WXRGina
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Who is Rev. Michael Bresciani and why is he so concerned about the Catholic Pope? Its really noble of him, the world appreciates it, but let him become concerned about his own sect, whatever it is, Jehovahs Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, or Scientologists.So Catholicism is a sect (along with the three you mention, 2 of which are NOT Christian in any way), and the only choices for Bresciani's affiliation is Jehovahs Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, or Scientologists?
The Pope celebrates Mass daily. What do you mean by “getting rid of God’s word.”???
I think you are very mistaken.
Mass? It’s a tradition of man.
I understand, RM....no worries.
The English word rapture does not appear in any of the current English translations of the Bible
Therefore it does not exist?
The English word Pope doesn not appear in current English translations of the Bible, so it is not a valid title using the above "logic"?
They would no longer stay in the Catholic Church if that were true, Sum.
And I am really weary of this battle right now. The deception on this forum is so high I am going to have to leave it for now.
Thanks for your post,
I don't think Brian is in folly. Brian is bright, intelligent, sincere, good-hearted, lots of fun, full of love for the Lord, and filled with the Holy Spirit.
What does that say about someone who calls him a fool?
You quite right about that. In my Bible, the term is "caught up."
I understand how you feel, jodyel, but leaving the forum is a victory for satan. If you aren’t here defending the faith, there is one less ambassador here, beseeching the lost to be reconciled to God, while there is still time. Rest, and then come back, refreshed, and waiting to defend the faith that was once delivered to the saints, again.
Again, small "c" needed as the "k" is lower case in the Greek.
The catholic church, universal church.
Made up of all Christians, and started long before Catholicism came into existence (except of course by re writing history to show that "Catholicism" started in the first century.)
People who are hurting as they are dying.
This is your "Evidence?" Huh?
This is your grand and glorious evidence. Wow!
By saying there was fear in the room by your mother who is a Christian(?) just standing there not saying prayers for the woman? Huh
I guess that is a real Christian in action?
I have been there too in a hospital. I would be praying with that person on Holy Spirit override.
The simplistic stereotype statement are just may I say Palpable. Yikes. What utter nonsense.
I recall two almost exactly the same. One was a 19 year boy dying of cancer and the other a very old Baptist preacher. Both of them with their final breaths said they saw Jesus.
Closer to home, when both my mother and my sister graduated from this life - when they entered their final coma - I felt their spirits go through me, assuring me that they were very happy and well.
And when my previous husband died we were SCUBA diving off Panama City, Florida, in what is called the "emerald sea" because the water is so green. As you dive deeper the water becomes an ever-deepening blue.
My husband suffered his final heart attack at 15 feet of water and fell back to more than 70 feet. I swam after him as fast as I could and just as I arrived, the water all around him turned a yellow/gold. I quickly stripped his weight belt and took his body to the surface. But it was obvious to me that I had seen his spirit leave his body at depth.
Likewise, all three of these had end of life requests that the Lord mercifully granted to them. Mom did not want a wheel chair or a nursing home and he spared her both. My sister wanted to be employed when she died, and He kept her employed through the day after. And my husband didn't want to become a cardiac cripple (he had a history of heart problems) and obviously he did not as God took him when he was SCUBA-diving.
Other family members had great mercies in their end of life situations. Indeed, one died on the very evening following his birthday party with family and friends. For him, that would have been a blessing.
And I truly believe that Alzheimer's disease is an end of life blessing for the ones suffering from it though certainly a great challenge for the care-givers. My remaining brother is currently late stage Alzheimer's.
Our blessed assurance in Christ comforts us not only in this mortal life but in our passing to the next one. Indeed, we Christians are already "there" even while still in the flesh:
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. - Col 3:3
Really...if he were born again and Spirit filled he would not be a Roman Catholic.
But since all you silly, happy, intelligent, sincere, good-hearted, and full-of-love-for-a-false-lord people believe it, it must be true.
I’d say that probably makes you full of folly as well.
You can have great qualities and be a wonderful human being and still not be born again and filled with the Holy Spirit. Many good people on this planet with great qualities are still going to hell when they die.
And none of you would recognize righteous anger if it hit you between the eyes! So go on with your happy go-lucky, gosh, gee whiz, sweet, kind, lovely-hearted false gospel. Because it really does speak to what you want most from life and that is to be good and loved by others and seen to be godly....when in reality you are not saved, worship at the altar of a false religion, and are nowhere near the Lord Jesus Christ.
I would much rather be seen as I am, a sinner saved and covered by the blood of Christ than to have a goodness that sends me straight to hell.
Run back to your church then, all you Pollyannas. The rest of the team can deal with your saccharine selves cause I’ve had enough of your foolishness and ignorance to last a lifetime.
I am not leaving for good, smvoice....I will be back to kick Catholic arse another day. :)
OH, how beautiful, Alamo-Girl. As you shared your experiences with us, I’ll share my husband’s death with you all. He had leukemia, and almost died the first night we took him to M.D.Anderson. He was in CCU for 15 days, not expected to make it through. But he did. Then came the bone-marrow transplant. And he was not expected to make it through. But he did. And then, when we thought all was going great, he developed J.C. Virus, a virus that attacks the brain and for which there is no cure. We knew he would not make it through that. So we prayed that God would be merciful to him, in his last days. And He was. Gary wanted to come home to die. And they allowed him to. He could not speak, but he could hear. And he heard Scripture, beautiful music, and the voices of all who loved him. God took him after 3 weeks of this virus. It was a peaceful passing and the last words he tried mightily to form was “love”. I am convinced of that, and so is his son. God is so merciful in His grace!
We are overdue for a Religion Forum zot thread...
Thanks sitetest. But I am a fool for rising to the bait and not turning the other cheek. I’ve walked away from most of the nonsense here but every now and then ...
HAH! Tell ME!! Hey, I’m just a jester jouster in this forum. Look for me when the zot begins...I’ll be the one wearing the big shoes riding my horse. With the big red nose poking out of my iron mask. You can’t miss me!
Thank you oh so very much, dear sister in Christ, for sharing your testimony and his with us. And thank God for both of you!
They would no longer stay in the Catholic Church if that were true, Sum.
Actually, I left the Catholic Church for several years...and Jesus led me back. I am Catholic and my relationship with the Lord has deepened because of this, as has my husband’s. My husband had a slightly different experience. Though he was not Catholic, he came to believe that God wanted him here. We both searched the Scriptures together and prayed, asking the Father to show us where we were to be (we had attended several different Christian churches over a period of years...always finding something that was being said by the pastor that did not line up with the Bible).
Though you may not see me as a sister in Christ (because I am joyfully Catholic), I definitely see you as a brother/sister in Christ and sincerely wish that we and people like us would work together in living and spreading the Good News. This painfully darkened world desperately needs that message and witness now and the urgency to win souls for Christ is great...far greater than it has ever been!
I’ve read the first 20 replies only, so maybe someone has said something like this:
I believe is talking about the approach the believer should have to sinners. It’s an evangelical how-to. Love them and embrace them first, because that’s the most important thing. If they turn to God, they will shed all their sinful behaviors as a natural result.
That said, I think if his remarks are misconstrued and lead to the death of even one baby who would not otherwise have died, they were not wisely uttered.
Lovely post, johngrace, just lovely. Such a shining example of knowing not of what you speak. Might wanna go back to the Three Stooges.
Unlike Catholics, we don’t believe others can pray us into heaven or purgatory or wherever. My mother was praying for the woman but not as you know prayer. And even so, the woman still did not die well.
Believers see Jesus at death and what I and Alamo-Girl wrote bears that out. Jesus comes for His own at the moment of their earthly death. He is not leaving them to die in fear and uncertainty. Get it? Try reading the account of the stoning of Stephen in Acts 7 and the account of Peter Marshall’s death by his widow, Catherine.
I will never leave you nor forsake you.....means just that! Even as you take your last earthly breath!
Catholics have so many safeguards built into their false gospel that it is inconceivable for them to even contemplate they might actually be destined for hell.
And I, for one, am sick to death of your namby-pamby feel-good religion that believes all good Catholics make it into heaven. If you are betting your soul on what the Catholic church teaches, then you will be horrified on the day you die.
“Because it really does speak to what you want most from life and that is to be good and loved by others and seen to be godly.”
Reading the mind of other posters is also a violation of the rules of the Religion Forum.
But since you asked, what I want most is, “To serve God, know Him and love Him in this life and to be happy with Him in Heaven in the next.”
It is why God made me.
Dispensationalism (theory promulgated by John Dasrby in 1830s) versus partial preterism (understood by churches since the Reformation) depends so much upon the date of the writing of the Book of Revelation. If written after 70 AD, it points to dispensationalism, else partial preterism. Because of a lack of mention of the destruction of the Temple, I believe that Revelation was written early, hence partial preterism makes more sense to me.
In the end, if your focus is preaching this, versus preaching the love of God, we Believers being the hands and feet of Jesus on the earth, those who choose to buy in to your preaching may fall easily when trials come. I have a friend from church who ‘preaches’ this to everyone he meets. He travels 700 miles from Calgary each year to attend an ‘end times’ prophesy conference in Winnipeg, another in Sakatoon, another in Regina and one in Edmonton, in addition to whatever comes to Calgary. He also chooses not to read the Bible because he gets ‘all he needs’ from these conferences.
The hope that I have is in eternity with Jesus, not in being scooped up, unhurt and unscathed, snatched to Heaven while the remainder on the earth almost destroy it. The idea that the people of the rich church in the West (Christendom) will be wisked away with no troubles makes no sense, especially when I see the trials and tribulations of Christians in Africa and the Middle East. I am here for the long haul, with Him in me. If it turns out a ‘pre-trib rapture’, I welcome it, though I do not believe that it is a proper interpreting scripture.
You're not a fool, Brian. You just have a big heart. Pope Francis, said just yesterday, if I recall correctly, that there are “the three languages needed to know Jesus: that of the mind, that of the heart, and that of action.”
I imagine that it is important to keep these three languages in some semblance of balance, of proportion with each other. Perhaps sometimes your big heart speaks too strongly the language of the heart. If you are any sort of fool, you are a fool for Christ.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
But since you asked, what I want most is, To serve God, know Him and love Him in this life and to be happy with Him in Heaven in the next.
It is why God made me.
What a beautiful truth! That is exactly why He made us.
Speaking of history, do you have the date (from history) of the founding of the Catholic Church?
I’m just curious because I used to teach history and am adamantly against the revision of history. Sadly, most of the textbooks written today are horribly full of “agendized,” revisionist nonsense (thus, the huge numbers of ignorant voters).
That is just it, Sum...that is what Satan wants of the world...for us all to come together and sing kumbaya and get along and be united and work together.
What does that sound like to you? A one world religion? Sure does to me.
Why do you think Islam is so appreciative of Catholicism and vice versa, and even acknowledges the Mary worship? How do you think it would go over if a Muslim were told that they were going to hell outside the saving blood of Jesus? Jihad? Yes!
But Catholics don’t require them to change or be saved. They just say let’s all get along. You love Mary, we love Mary...hey, that’s makes us brothers and we’re all okay.
Catholicism & Islam: Ties That Bind
Excerpt from the article at link: “The above title became a source of controversy when I used it for a talk given at a recent prophecy conference. What I found curious about the commotion was that it came from Catholics (and some evangelicals) who had yet to hear my presentation. Furthermore, the title reflects the hope and prayers of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue. Rome has been tilling this “common ground” with Islam for decades, as evidenced by the 1994 Vatican publication, Recognize the Spiritual Bonds Which Unite Us: 16 Years of Christian-Muslim Dialogue. Why, therefore, would anyone be upset by my simply repeating what the Roman Catholic Church very much desires?”
The only “spiritual bonds” that Rome and Islam share are Satanic ones. And Jesus and Islam share absolutely NONE!
You and your husband sound like truly good people, which I believe most Catholics are....but good is not the entrance ticket to heaven. Unless you are born again and baptized by the Holy Spirit (not water), you cannot enter the kingdom of God. Period...full stop...end of.
Yes, I know I am harsh and I give no quarter on this but neither does God. It is His way as stated in Scripture or the very broad highway to hell. There are no get-out-of-hell free cards and nobody gets a second chance once this life is over. So make darn sure that what you believe is worth staking your eternal soul on because you will be in eternity without the Lord for a very, very, very long time if you are wrong.
I do not wish anyone here to perish. I get incredibly angry at the deception and ignorance I see here and for the gullibility as well. And if we were not talking salvation, I am sure I would love to have many of you as friends. But we ARE talking salvation and souls and I will not give even one inch to Satan.
And that is enough from me for one day, maybe a lifetime for you. :)
God bless you infinitely and thank you for posting to me in a spirit of love...something I am sadly lacking in most times. Catholics at least have that part down pat!
It's a truism of logic that you can't prove a negative. Care to show me how you'd prove that particular negative? How do you know there was no Catholic Church in AD 120?
Here's how I know there was: Ignatius of Antioch, who was the third bishop of Antioch after St. Peter, called himself the "bishop of the Catholic Church in Syria" in AD 110.
No, not at my fingertips.
But it has been explained many times on threads here in the RF from an historical perspective.
From This Link:
...the idea of the "pope" did not exist from the beginning of the church. It was not until several centuries after Christ that the church began to develop into the "Roman Catholic Church" as we think of it todayInteresting enough, earlier on that page is this:
For the first thousand years of Christianity there was no "Roman Catholicism" as we know it today...There was only the "one, holy, catholic church" affirmed by the early creeds, which was the body of Christian believers all over the world, united by common traditions, beliefs, church structure and worship (catholic simply means "universal"). Thus, throughout the Middle Ages, if you were a Christian, you belonged to the Catholic Church. Any Christianity other than the Catholic Church was a heresy, not a denomination.See the areas I put in bold and notice how "catholic" was changed to "Catholic" in order to start the misconception that the Catholic Church we know of in this day and age is the supreme "mother church" to which all must belong to be saved.
Made it personal to Catholics as a group.
Then I leave you to your view, AFPC.
Thanks for the postings and God bless you.
I guess none of “you” can see that the “you” being discussed here is a collective “you” referencing all Catholics.
But then, why would “you”? All of “you” just like to go running off to mods at the mere whiff of anything “personal.”
Go blow your collective Catholic noses on your collective Catholic sleeves, and trouble me no further.
Pick a fight with a group, and then pretend to be aggrieved when they dare to respond?
Thank you for posting that.
Can you link us to where he called himself "bishop of the Catholic Church in Syria?" I would like to see the original quote from history.
Interesting conclusions. (Well, not really, but let us remain civil.)
No, Michael Bresciani (look him up, he’s quite an accomplished obsessive Catholic disser), can SYNCROnize his faith with any Christian or so-called Christian sect, any of the 35,000 that supposedly exist (learn the science of giving examples to understand why I listed only three out of the alleged 35,000), but his disputes are really with Joel Osteen, Paul Crouch, Jim Bakker (never forget the second ‘k’) (again, examples) who are some of the heretics of his own strain of Bible interpretation.
Please list the rest.
There truly is only one Christian faith, and that is Christianity.
...his disputes are really with Joel Osteen, Paul Crouch, Jim Bakker (never forget the second k) (again, examples)
Oh ok, so he has no dispute with the Catholic Church? Then he must have (to use your words) "SYNCROnize(d) his faith" with Catholicism.
PS love the capitalization of my screen name!
Well, let us say he is a Constitutional scholar, like our esteemed President (according to the MSM, minds you) concerned with pedestrians spitting on the sidewalk. His legal argument (because in both cases we are dealing with widely understood legalisms) is not with the Federal Constitution, but with local ordinances, and at most with the State Constitution.
“Catholics are not Christians and as such fall under the same admonition from Christ for evangelization that unbelievers outside the Catholic church do. No difference. They have not been born again of the Spirit and filled with the Spirit. So I am under no obligation except to proclaim the Gospel to them as I would to a Muslim, a Hindu, a Mormon, or anyone else in a false religion.”
“Go blow your collective Catholic noses on your collective Catholic sleeves, and trouble me no further.”
Truly tagline worthy, some real gems! If I was the one who formulated them, I’d be tempted to print them up in tract form, beat feet to the local Catholic parish parking lot and lay these impressive words of wisdom on the unholy windshields of the infidels.
My "move" was to post this column by Mr. Bresciani. I have no interest in arguing with die-hard catholics, because we will never agree. There have been false teachers and false prophets since the Garden, and the apostles even noted that there were those among the early church that went out from them but were not of them.
I have no idea. We arent supposed to know in advance. Are we?
we are specifically instructed to watch the signs. The exact hour of Jesus’s return to the Mount of Olives no man knows, but the beginnings of the seven years are well outlined with signs we are to watch for. Personally, I believe we are in the end times, already at if not in the first months of the seven years, but what do I know?
He calls himself the “bishop of Syria” in Romans chapter 2. He uses the term “Catholic Church” (or “catholic church” if you prefer — the original Greek text had no capitals) in several places, most notably in Smyrnaeans. I recalled a quote where he connected the two, but maybe my memory is faulty. I’d have to consult my books at home to be sure.
I think you know more than I . . . pilgrim. (giggle)
Of late I feel more like ‘stranger in a strange land’ ...
I am not speaking of any one world religion. The idea of which you speak is a purely humanistic, secular goal. I am speaking of Christians working together to bring the Good News to others...who desperately need to know the powerful love of Jesus.
I do not worship Mary...nor does my Church teach me to.
I have never known the Church to teach that we must “just all get along.”
What the Catholic Church teaches is VERY distinct from Islam. Pope Benedict garnered the wrath of many Muslims when he spoke the truth at the University of Regensburg. There have been dialogues with Muslims...and there have been resulting converts to Christianity as a result (though the press will never share such news).
Mercy and love DO come from God and He grants us the grace to become holy as He is holy. Jesus’ last prayer before ascending to the Father was that we all might be one as He and the Father are one. I believe there was an important reason fur such a prayer.
I also firmly believe that Satan is the source of division and that he seeks to arouse a divisive spirit in order to attempt to thwart the plan of God. He fears Christian unity (of the right sort) because of its power to make the world know the truth.
Jesus taught that we would know those who are His by their good fruits, those of the Holy Spirit.
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits.” (Matthew 7:15)
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.” (Galatians 5:22)
“In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 5:16)
Also, I am born-again and and have received the Spirit...as my husband and many other Catholics.
Why not work with us?
If you cannot at this time, with humility, simply ask God to show you if you *might* be a little wrong about some of what you think. I believe that He will answer that prayer if you are sincerely open to the possibility. I can honestly share that I have, in the past, been CONVINCED about something...only to pray for such discernment...and then eventually discovered that I was (with no doubt) incorrect.
I believe that you are sincere and I know that God loves you very much. May the Risen Christ grant you His peace.
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