Skip to comments.Has the Pope Taken His First Steps into Last Days Apostasy?
Posted on 09/25/2013 8:27:57 PM PDT by WXRGina
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If you were merely speaking in generalities, and at least implicitly admitting of possible exceptions, you might have a point.
But in your post to me, you say, “And none of you...”
The literal meaning, then, of your post is the same as “every single one of you.”
Which means, “including you, sitetest.”
And that makes it personal.
I don’t necessarily agree with the rules of the Religion Forum. Frankly, I think they’re inherently anti-Catholic. But I’ve said what I think bluntly to the Religion Moderator on a few occasions, and I try not to beat too many dead horses simultaneously in life.
Nonetheless, the rules are the rules. I see ‘em enforced against Catholics, might as well make sure they get enforced against non-Catholics.
We were not discussing the idea of a pope but rather the foundation of the Catholic Church.
The term *Roman Catholicism* is actually an incorrect terminology. Catholicism is correct.
catholic simply means “universal” Yes.
Are you familiar with the writings of St. Pacian of Barcelona, (A.D. c.310-375)?
Given that statement above, it is obvious to you, as it is to me, that the title of this thread is a red flag that will invite warring between factions. As such, I believe it violates the original standards of the religion forum and should be changed or the thread removed. Just my humble opinion, RM, with acknowledgment that you have been a fair and reasonable presence on the RF for many years.
To capitalize on the capitalization of Catholic to infer that all Christians were “Catholics” back them is erroneous.
It wasn't until about 3 centuries later that Catholicism was actually put into existence, and then the retroactive designating of “Popes” starting with Peter.
No mention of “Popes” in the Bible.
Bishops, yes many times.
And as on poster stated, rapture isn't in the Bible so we apparently can't say it is Biblical. Must be the same for pope.
I was just answering your question, and the fact that there were no popes in 1st century Christianity was a relevant part of the answer.
Picking the nit a bit, no problem but many refer to themselves as Roman Catholics.
You did notice it was in quotes from where I quoted it, right?
Would have been more correct, you are right, if it simply said Catholicism.
I have not read everything written about Catholicism, it takes away from Bible reading too much.
Heck, I have seen posters post up to about 20-30 links to Catholic writings on threads as an “answer” to a question.
Heck, it would take dozens of hours to read all the links!
Very good Alamo-Girl, thanks.
That is a great site, I will bookmark it for later now that I have read about the word catholic.
And thanks also for your various posts on this thread, very clarifying and scriptural.
Your are so wrong to it’s really pathetic to disgrace a women to say what happen to them. You are not God!!!!! Period. Totally Outrageous!!! I have never seen any put statements like you have about another human being on thses threads before. Who would even write these statements no matter what side. Just astounding.
Jesus taught that we would know those who are His by their good fruits, those of the Holy Spirit. Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. (Matthew 7:15)
Clearly, Jesus instructed that we would know FALSE PROPHETS by their fruits. When you seek to instruct someone --and especially a fellow Christian-- on spiritual matters, using the scriptures, it would be well to use the passages correctly and more precisely than you have done.
How does the title of this thread violate any standards of the religion forum? The title is a question, and the author presents a compelling case in answer to it. And, almost 160 comments later, most everyone remains civil enough. Why would you want to delete this thread along with everyone's comments that they took time and effort to compose? Is it just because you don't like the column?
I’ve been here longer than you. It’s flame bait. I remember the discussion of rules and standards. One was that flame bait on the religion forum is different than on the regular forum.
We have a wise mod who will make a wise decision.
Thanks for the ping. Great article!
Uh-oh. Is it time to suit up and get my sway-back Rusty out of his stall? I’m feeling the audience getting antsy here...
Yes, the Religion Moderator is a very patient, even-handed person. And, although you’ve been here longer than me, I am still able to read the religion forum guidelines just as anyone else can.
Nevertheless, there is no real reason to avoid legitimate, respectful critiques of catholic doctrine simply because some catholics become enraged by them. Instead of becoming enraged (flaming) and accusing anyone of “bashing” who dares to politely question their beliefs, perhaps they could take a hard, honest look at what they’ve been taught and compare it to the Word of God. While I understand that people have perverted the meaning of Scripture for their own purposes, it still remains that many, many catholics have honestly examined the Bible in light of their catholic beliefs and have turned away from catholicism.
You’re welcome! :-)
Only of Catholic doctrine?
Why don’t you put up a thread about something with your own church?
Are Baptists actually the minions the AntiChrist will use to rule the world?
What a joke.
I am so tired of the protestant bashing
I don’t have a church. I’m simply a Bible-believing Christian, just a part of the body of Christ.
There’s really no need for you to be defensive (or offensive, whichever the case may be). My presenting counterpoints to catholicism is in no way a threat to you.
What’s your point? I must be missing it.
It was a joke....at least hyperbole...to make a point. If you’d followed my comments, you’d understand I was attempting a parallel title to the title of this thread.
It obviously roiled your blood, so I must be on to something.
see 167 and 170
Oh those Baptists are always up to no good. I’ve heard that ever since they stormed the southern borders we have had nothing but trouble, TROUBLE, from them. It’s all those covered dish dinners on the grounds they foist on the unsuspecting. And those green bean casseroles? Forget about it. It’s a plot to overthrow the cream corn growers. Seems they’re *tired* of picking cream corn. I think they’re just lazy and don’t want to get their creamy whites dirty. They’d rather let the government subsidize their lifestyles. Pray to Saint Dunk’em that he will intercede and drive these miscreants from the land. We can get back to the REAL business of wafer production.
Oh, I see. Kind of an off parallel, but I get it.
Thank you for the much-needed levity! :-)
Old English ey? Lets see where it really comes from.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
harpagēsometha ἁρπαγησόμεθα will be caught away [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_thessalonians/4-17.htm]
The root word is harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away [http://biblesuite.com/strongs/greek/726.htm]
Guise what the Catholics translated that word in Latin to?
The Latin Vulgate translates the Greek ἁρπαγησόμεθα as rapiemur, from the verb rapio meaning "to catch up" or "take away".
1 Thessalonians 4:17. deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus (Latin Vulgate).
Thus from rapiemur we get the English word rapture.
So its actually the RCC that gave us the word rapture. Isn't that interesting?
Often its better to study before posting.
Well, I didn’t want to say that (trying to be nice here), but his fake “headline” had no relation to this headline (where was anti-Christ mentioned?).
GREAT JOB! Keeping them on their toes. Keeping it HONEST.
Ive gone there often. The Protestant denominations are indeed the daughters and have retained many of the RCC errors.
Neither was there an indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament when the Jews were the focus as they will be during the tribulation. The two witnesses will preach but those who are saved during the tribulation will not have the protection or the comfort of the Holy Spirit.
I believe He is the restrainer indwelling the true believers and will be removed at the rapture.
Ive gone there often. The Protestant denominations are indeed the daughters and have retained many of the RCC errors.
Hey, dont be knockin my cream corn or my green bean salad.
IOW, it can have the same affect depending on how the reader reacts.
To avoid flame wars, look for an alternative to the universal "you."
I can see I really riled you up.
Much older than 5, but I heard someone say that we advancing years you should start counting backwards at some point.
It always seems to be “whose ox is getting gored.”
What are Catholics going to do when persecution out in the real world starts here?
There will not be a religious moderator out there for anyone to ping and say Stop burning us at the stake...that is personal, stop flaying us alive...that is personal....stop beheading us...that is way too personal.
Don’t any of you have eyes to see that I am not the enemy...that the one who deserves your fury is not me but the one who has kept good Catholics in spiritual bondage thru his abomination called the Catholic church?
If all Catholics have known all their lives is to be good and loving and kind, then my words will drive a knife right into their hearts. How many of you will run away and scream and die to anything else I have to say? Quite a lot if my PMs are any indication.
If this exchange on this forum upsets Catholics, then how in the world will all of you ever survive when they come for you outside this box? One of your good Catholics called me a sadomasochist in a PM...what is going to happen to that good Catholic if a real sadomasochist, such as the ones in the Kenyan massacre, get a hold of her? That time is coming and who among you is going to be girded with TRUE faith unto death.
I daresay that your “goodness” faith of light, love, and lollipops will die an even swifter death than Catholics will at the first hint of real bloodshed. So while you guys are all patting yourselves on the back for being good little Catholics and how dare the mean lady say you are not, know this....days are short, Satan is prowling and ready to devour any and all in his path, and it is time to wake up, trust in Christ and nothing else, and be prepared to die.
Unless the article title or content serves no theological debate purpose at all, it will not be removed on the basis that some Freepers are offended by it. Mainstream media articles can have inflammatory titles - the same is true for some historical writings, prophecies, sermons etc.
The "open" RF debate format is the only outlet to discuss such things whether pro or con.
How, oh HOW, can you possibly beat a nice corn casserole with lots of cheese and a little sugar in it? You just can’t.
That wasn’t the original discussion years ago. It was an acknowledgment that we would avoid flame bait in titles.
I’m certain my memory is correct on this.
But, as always, I accept your wisdom and integrity.
you misunderstand when the pope is infallible....he is just a regular man in his personal life and just as much a sinner as we all are....However, when it comes to proclamations, official statements, Ex Cathedra, he cannot make a mistake in matters of Faith and Morals. He cannot, for example declare that the church no longer opposes abortion....can't and won't.
Thats a fact! Made my mouth water just reading that.
WOW, how lucky can we get!!!!!, after 2,000 years of stumbling anong, along comes the prottys to save us from ourselves.....whew, that takes a load off my mind!!
And, yes, on a vanity RF thread, an antagonistic title is a flame war fixing to happen and would probably be pulled. However, the title here matches the linked article.
But members in every niche of the theological debate world must contend with naysayers, e.g. atheists and agnostics. And the "open" RF threads are the best venue for doing just that.
Why would you use the New York Times’s version of the papal interview instead of the original source? Do you at all believe the NYT would report his statement accurately? You’re a FReeper? Trusting the NYT? Honestly?
Because what you are espousing is not TRUE faith.
I am not called to get along with Catholics or work with them....I am called to witness to them and tell them to come out of a dead faith. I am not called to have inter-religious dialogue with people of other faiths or dialogue with anyone at all. I am called to proclaim Christ crucified and lead them to a saving faith in Him and Him alone. That is my duty as a believer in Jesus.
Do your own research on Catholicism and Islam and see if what is happening is not exactly as shown in the article I referenced. Catholics want all people to get along and want to bring peace to the world under the love of a false Christ. You cannot get along with Islam....you either become Muslim or you die....period. How do you think Muslims hear the true Gospel? With death to the Christian is how. Catholics may not kill us but they wail and gnash their teeth and call us names like sadomasochists and shut their ears to the true Gospel.
I know that all Catholics believe they are born again and Spirit filled and that nothing I say will disabuse them of that. But the Spirit of God knows we speak His truth and when He chooses to reveal Himself to any one of you....just as we have said He will...you will then know too.
As I said previously, Sum, I am not the enemy and if Catholics cannot take the truth here and crumble like a stack of dominoes, how will they ever face the real enemy who is coming after them outside of this box and in this world? The only way is to ask Jesus to live in their hearts and fill them with His Spirit. And leave this dead church that knows nothing of Him.
Paul is a fine example of preaching Christ and Christ only and we would all do well to follow his example. I care that not any of you perish but will all know the true Jesus and not the one of the Catholic church. May God open your eyes to Him.
God bless you,
of course the scriptures come from God....but He used the Catholics to write them....the Apostles were the early Catholic bishops, Paul and others were also early Catholics. God also used the Catholic church to edit, protect, copy, transcribe....whatever needed, the scripture writings. Through the ages the bible was copied, by hand, in Catholic Monastaries throughout the world. It is because of their efforts in this area that we have the bible today....without the work of God THROUGH the Catholic church, you wouldn't even know what a bible was.....they wrote it, they copied it and they saved it for posterity, through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.