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1 posted on 09/27/2013 8:39:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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After saying he hadn't talked about abortion, marriage and contraception much, here's what the pope actually stated:

"The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time [emphasis added]."

The media didn't omit the italicized words merely for brevity's sake. When Francis said that the teaching is "clear" and he's a "son of the church," he is reaffirming doctrine and his fidelity to it. He's saying that the teachings in question are definitive, set in stone, and that he is loyal to mother Church as any good "son" is to his mother.
2 posted on 09/27/2013 8:41:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

Don’t tell the Protestant FReepers this...


3 posted on 09/27/2013 8:47:53 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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Thank you for this. There are even some on FR who are believing the spew from the media and not looking beyond the liberal inferences of other liberals’ carefully selected and abused “quotes”.


5 posted on 09/27/2013 8:53:53 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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Full quote is here

He said, "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." He explained that the dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. Instead of focusing on controversial issues all the time, he wants to give primacy to the preaching of the gospel: "A beautiful homily, a genuine sermon must begin with the first proclamation, with the proclamation of salvation. There is nothing more solid, deep and sure than this proclamation. Then you have to do catechesis. Then you can draw even a moral consequence. But the proclamation of the saving love of God comes before moral and religious imperatives. Today sometimes it seems that the opposite order is prevailing."

6 posted on 09/27/2013 8:54:08 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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While the Pope was grievously wronged by the incorrect "quotations," there is still a problem. For better or worse, the only economy he has ever experienced personally is the Peronist/Fascist economy of Argentina. He is not a professional economist. He simply doesn't understand that what he has experienced is a warped and distorted version of what an economy should be. This may produce problems in the future, if he makes any pronouncements on economic issues.
8 posted on 09/27/2013 9:02:39 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, available from Amazon.)
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It is wide open for interpreatation. Maybe he should try it again, using a little more carefully thought out language.


9 posted on 09/27/2013 9:05:58 AM PDT by DManA
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I happen to agree with the Pope on what i have heard him talk about, some assume that he shares the Marxist view, if that is the case i would not agree on that.

The pope seems to be interested in sharing the gospel rather than making Catholic authority on religion the main issue and i appreciate that.

How far would the Gospel have gone if the Apostles had of just been interested in who had the authority?

Paul may be an exception on this point in his accusation against The apostle Peter.

I hear mans doctrine from both Protestants and Catholic, vague scripture and assumptions that may or may not have anything to do with the subject.

Also i have no doubt that the Christian orthodox church who say they are the Church that descends directly from the early Church also has some man made doctrine.


20 posted on 09/28/2013 8:12:13 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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