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Vladimir Putin Speaks Like a Christian
catholicism.org ^ | September 25, 2013 | Brother André Marie

Posted on 09/27/2013 6:17:17 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Vladimir Putin Speaks Like a Christian

Posted By Brother André Marie On September 25, 2013 @ 11:30 am In Columns,Marriage and Family,Politics and Society | 1 Comment

Read the comments below by Vladimir Putin, who is constantly berated by Western glitterati (e.g., Madonna, Lady Gaga, Sir Elton John) for his stance on unnatural relations. The man speaks like a Christian, nay, like a Catholic (he is a self-professed Russian Orthodox Christian). Imagine an American politician in high office speaking in such a way.

On the other hand, some there are who think that the consecration of Russia requested by Our Lady of Fatima is not necessary, since Christianity (albeit in a schismatic version) is so openly accepted in this formerly atheistic and communist nation. My reply is twofold: 1) the Mother of God demanded it, therefore it ought to be done; and 2) the promised “conversion” of Russia was neither to schism, nor to non-communism, nor to any other thing than Catholic Unity under the Roman Pontiff.

One consolation in all this is that when Russia does convert to Catholicism, there will be an influx into the Church of men — real men! — who are not afraid to speak out openly as Christians, and fight like Christian warriors, as well as pray and fast like Russian Monks, worshiping according to a traditional Catholic liturgy which they have not seen fit to mutilate. That’s called a “net gain.”

“Events that take place in the world represent one more serious challenge to the Russian identity. There are foreign policy and moral aspects to this. We have been able to see many Euro-Atlantic countries effectively embark on a path of renouncing their roots, including Christian values, which underlie Western civilization,” Putin said.

“That involves the negation of moral principles and any traditional identity – national, cultural, religious, or even sexual,” he said.

“Policies are pursued that put large families and same-sex partnerships in the same category, belief in God and belief in Satan. Excesses of political correctness reach the point where there are serious discussions on the registration of parties that have propaganda of pedophilia as their objective. People in many European countries are ashamed and afraid of speaking about their religion, holidays are abolished or given other names, names that shyly conceal the nature of those holidays, and aggressive attempts are made to force this model on the rest of the world,” Putin said.

“This is a direct path to degradation and primitiveness, to deep demographic and moral crises,” he said.

“What can be a better indication of a moral crisis in human society than its loss of the ability for self-reproduction?” Putin said.


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1 posted on 09/27/2013 6:17:17 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

I very much doubt that Orthodox Christians will be converting to Catholicism any time soon. They’re happy where they are.


2 posted on 09/27/2013 6:29:24 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

for later


3 posted on 09/27/2013 6:31:37 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Allah Fubar.)
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To: Viennacon

I do too. But this is the thinking of a certain segment of traditional Catholics.

Personally I don’t think a reunion, should it ever happen, would involve any side “becoming” a member of the other side. We can’t foresee how it will happen but it will happen some day.


4 posted on 09/27/2013 6:40:19 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Viennacon

The Eastern Church may be more true than the Roman.


5 posted on 09/27/2013 7:05:59 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

likin’ that Russian leader more & more!


6 posted on 09/27/2013 7:13:35 PM PDT by jackspyder
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

The “evil empire” days seem so long ago.

Now we got the head of Russia preaching wisdom and the POTUS is a Muzzie Marxist.


7 posted on 09/27/2013 7:17:55 PM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: All
Read the comments below by Vladimir Putin, who is constantly berated by Western glitterati (e.g., Madonna, Lady Gaga, Sir Elton John) for his stance on unnatural relations. The man speaks like a Christian, nay, like a Catholic (he is a self-professed Russian Orthodox Christian).

IMO he speaks nothing like a Christian. This is how a Christian leader of a country should speak:

President Yoweri Museveni has repented his sins and the sins of Uganda as a nation in a move aimed at establishing Uganda as a God-fearing nation. The President made this historic move at Mandela National stadium Namboole in the early morning of today (Tuesday) at 2:00am during national prayers for dedicating Uganda to God. "I denounce witchcraft and satanic practices. I repent on behalf of Uganda. We confess our sins. We repent of the sins of shedding innocent blood, corruption, bribery, sexual immorality, drunkenness, rebellion, insubordination, tribalism and sectarianism," Museveni repented amidst ululations from the Christians. The president dedicated Uganda to God to be his nation anchored on his principles and values.

The President, indicating that the next 50 years belong to the young generation, advised the young people to be God-fearing referring to the Biblical verse in Proverbs 9:10 which says, "The fear of God is beginning of wisdom."....The prayers were organized by Uganda Jubilee Network, an association of Anglican, evangelical and Pentecostal churches....

....Rev. Simon Peter Emiau said no matter how many times Ugandans pray, God will not intervene in the affairs of our country without fulfilling the conditions in 2chronicles 7:14 of repenting and turning away from wicked ways. Calling upon church leaders and Christians to repent, Apostle Charles Tumwine attributed the current high level of immorality in the country to the wickedness/darkness in the church arguing that what happens in a nation is usually a replica of the state of the church.
-- from the thread Uganda: Museveni Dedicates Uganda to God

Let's assume Putin is being faithful to Orthodox beliefs for a second. Considering how Orthodox Christians have voted here in the USA, I'm not convinced that this is anything to brag about.
"In the East there is someone that causes the western liberal's maniacal laughter to stop. Vladimir Putin. He has real world power, which causes the liberal media to fearfully ignore or warp his image. Like a good Christian King he leads a nation to Christ. Deep down in their evil souls they shriek like devils because they know Christ is true God and true power that they cannot defeat. They thought the Bolshevik revolution destroyed Holy Mother Russia. Christ cannot be defeated and his servant Putin has welcomed Christ and His church."
-- from the thread US threatened by Russia's Christianity
See also the related thread The Secret American Subculture Of Putin-Worshippers
8 posted on 09/27/2013 7:23:34 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Keep in mind this is the same guy who divorced his wife on the premise that they weren’t married in church. He’s also the same guy who lamented the fall of the Soviet Union and is currently trying to rehabilitate Stalin. He’s also currently working on his own cult of personality in Russia to cement his own tyranny.


9 posted on 09/27/2013 7:27:43 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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The religion and political views of Vladimir Putin

Religion

Putin began as an atheist, but a car accident and a house fire caused him to question his views and now he is a devout member of the Russian Orthodox Church. Some argue he is ushering in a new theocratic government in Russia.

Political Views

Putin's decades-long political career in Russia has endured the collapse of the Soviet Union and the transition of Russia into free market enterprise and democracy. He has many critics and at times seems antagonistic toward the West.

Vladimir Putin was born and raised in Leningrad, U.S.S.R., now known as St. Petersburg, Russia.

Putin had, in classic Soviet fashion, a secular upbringing. His father was a “model Communist” and a “militant atheist,” though his mother was a devout Eastern Orthodox Christian1 and she had young Putin secretly baptized into that church.2

It was merely symbolic, however, as Putin went through the bulk of his adult life–rising through the ranks of the KGB and the Soviet Communist Party–conforming to Soviet secular convention.

It wasn’t until the double-whammy of 1) his wife’s car accident in 1993 and 2) a life-threatening house fire in 1996 that Putin began questioning his atheism. During a vulnerable moment before Putin departed for a diplomatic trip to Israel, his mother gave him a baptismal cross. He said of the occasion:

I did as she said and then put the cross around my neck. I have never taken it off since.1

Now, Putin has become a bit of a zealot. He seems to want to reestablish a pre-Soviet combination of church and state, saying:

First and foremost we should be governed by common sense. But common sense should be based on moral principles first. And it is not possible today to have morality separated from religious values.3

Furthermore, Putin has proposed compulsory religion and ethics classes for Russian students.4

There are many reports of collusion between the Russian Orthodox clergy and the Russian government, with each of them fighting the other’s battles for them. The most recent example to receive worldwide attention was the Pussy Riot debacle, in which the girl-punk band sang at a church in Moscow: “Mother of God, Blessed Virgin, drive out Putin.”5 Both the church and the government were outraged and the band was sentenced to two years of prison labor.5

The western world erupted in outrage and, recalling Soviet oppression of artists and intellectuals, condemned the sentence as theocratic totalitarianism. Even the Obama administration weighed in, saying:

While we understand the group’s behavior was offensive for some, we have concerns about the way these young women were treated by the Russian judicial system.6

Still, Putin’s religiosity is a blessing to some in the international community. The Eastern Orthodox Church has asked him to protect Christians worldwide, and he has agreed. Russia’s controversial support of Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria is due to Putin’s concern that the Christian minority in that country will be persecuted if Assad is toppled.7

Much remains to be seen, as Putin discovers his newfound devotion to God and Russia still grapples with its religious freedom.

Not a Czar, but close.

Putin has been (so far) three times the Russian President and twice the Russian Prime Minister. It’s a repetitive grab for power that has many in the West speculating that, not only is Putin becoming something like the old Russian Czars,8 but that Russia itself is reverting back to its totalitarian ways.9

It all began when Putin, after graduating from Liningrad State University, became an intelligence officer for the KGB. He spent most of his KGB career in East Germany and, when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1989, he retired.10 So, we could safely say that Putin was an enthusiastic communist–even though his education was in free market economics.3 And, it could be argued, that business and enterprise has been greatly encouraged under his leadership.11

Putin wishes to lead Russia out of its old ways and integrate it into the West–for the most part–though he exudes that nationalistic Russian pride:

We are a major European nation, we have always been an integral part of Europe and share all its values and the ideals of freedom and democracy. But we will carry out this process ourselves, taking into account all our specific characteristics, and do not intend to report to anyone on the progress we make.12

But Russia is still in transition, and at times, Putin is at odds with the West, particularly in foreign policy. He has positioned Russia en face de the U.S. and the E.U. in terms of North Korea8 and Syria.7

And he struggles with organized crime in his country,3 though many suspect corruption is involved, up to the highest levels of Russian politics.13

These are but a few of the issues and a small slice of the ideology surrounding Vladimir Putin. His nearly 40 year career in Russian politics covers a lot of ground. Check out his Wikipedia page for the beginnings of a comprehensive coverage of Putins’s politics.


10 posted on 09/27/2013 7:30:23 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

First and foremost we should be governed by common sense. But common sense should be based on moral principles first. And it is not possible today to have morality separated from religious values.3


Sounds exactly like many of the founders of the USA in that one.


11 posted on 09/27/2013 7:35:09 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
And keep in mind this is the same guy who was a KGB Lieutenant Colonel who was trained at one time by a Godless and brutal police state. This is a guy who'd step over his own mother.
12 posted on 09/27/2013 9:35:29 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
"Vladimir Putin Speaks Like a Christian." -Brother Andre Marie

Indeed he does. And Barack Obama speaks like a Muslim. We live in interesting times...

13 posted on 09/27/2013 9:42:08 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: nascarnation
Now we got the head of Russia preaching wisdom and the POTUS is a Muzzie Marxist.

I can't believe I spent 20 years in the Air Force, opposing communism, only to see it win here, without a shot being fired. It pains me, to feel like I have more respect for the Russian, than for the POTUS.

14 posted on 09/27/2013 10:24:05 PM PDT by Mark17 (It is every liberal's job to destroy America, and every conservative's job to stop him.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Putin was the most pro-American leader in Russia’s history starting his first term. It’s a fact.


15 posted on 09/27/2013 11:42:44 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: jmacusa

“This is a guy who’d step over his own mother”

Actually, he sounds like a man who very much loved his mother. He did what she said to do, and put the cross she gave him around his neck and wears it to this day. Not exactly a mother hater.


16 posted on 09/28/2013 3:20:02 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
He’s also the same guy who lamented the fall of the Soviet Union and is currently trying to rehabilitate Stalin. He’s also currently working on his own cult of personality in Russia to cement his own tyranny.

That description better fits Barky, not Pooty.

17 posted on 09/28/2013 4:24:10 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Reeses

When Stalin’s mummy is disinterred & moved back into the Lenin mausoleum where it was originally laid in 1953, we’ll know something is really up in Muscovyland.


18 posted on 09/28/2013 6:58:21 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Mark17

Thanks for your service to the USA, and yes our world has been turned upside down...


19 posted on 09/28/2013 8:03:20 AM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: jmacusa

From what your take is it could remind some people of the Apostle Paul.


20 posted on 09/28/2013 8:24:49 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: noinfringers2

When Vlad is struck down and transformed as Paul was then maybe I’ll believe.


21 posted on 09/28/2013 9:37:47 AM PDT by jmacusa
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To: Viennacon

I very much doubt that Orthodox Christians will be converting to Catholicism any time soon. They’re happy where they are.


I agree, why would the descendents of the early Christian Church want to go to the church that left them in the first place?


22 posted on 09/28/2013 9:41:31 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: flaglady47

Sorry Madame but when it comes to a guy like Vlad I’m not buying it.


23 posted on 09/28/2013 9:43:19 AM PDT by jmacusa
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Taqiyya. Kitman.


24 posted on 09/28/2013 9:44:24 AM PDT by x
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Brother Andre sounds like a real prize. If I ever need a reason to advise against any, even local, rapproachment with the Latins, all I have to do is read the ravings of a Brother Andre, or perhaps those of a heretical Vatican prelate so lionized here on FR, and voila, there it is.

In the meantime,

O Lord save Thy people and bless thine Inheritance.
Give victory to the Emperor
Over the barbarians
And by the power of Thy Cross
Preserve Thy Commonwealth!


25 posted on 09/28/2013 3:27:11 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Kolokotronis

Thanks K.

He’s a Feeneyite, a strict EENS type. I wouldn’t put too much into his views in general regarding ecumenical relations. But his views about Putin are interesting nonetheless.

I hope you also saw my post #4.


26 posted on 09/28/2013 4:07:38 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
One consolation in all this is that when Russia does convert to Catholicism...

Except that it already has converted to Orthodox Catholicism and that has already reawoken there.

27 posted on 09/29/2013 8:57:57 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Alex Murphy
Considering how Orthodox Christians have voted here in the USA, I'm not convinced that this is anything to brag about.

Pardon me? The Orthodox Christians that I know are among some of the most conservative voting Americans that I've ever met.

28 posted on 09/29/2013 9:00:04 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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