Posted on 09/28/2013 12:01:33 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
SHOW US THE EVOLUTION!! ONE FACT.
Sorry, but I don't really follow what you mean? Did you think I was explicitly defending evolution? That certainly wasn't my intention. Rather, I just disagree with the entire approach which many people take, and which was implied within your post, that theories are somehow the opposite of fact. They certainly may have errors in them or not entirely reflect reality, but they aren't exactly just imaginary musings or made up suppositions either.
No, I'm not a troll. I'm merely pointing out that parts of your posts are not factually accurate. As I promised the mod, I will refrain from speculating as to your motives.
“No, I’m not a troll. I’m merely pointing out that parts of your posts are not factually”
You didn’t actually point anything out. You just made an obnoxious post. So, do you mean that evolutionists take into account the existence of God, or of a designer, when they are working out the possible mechanisms of cell-diversity on Earth? Or, do they only approach the study of these things from the stand point that only naturalistic explanations are acceptable?
I made simple contradiction because you didn't offer any support for your original assertion. I'm not sure why "The entire 'theory' is predicated on the idea that there is no God" is any less of a troll than "no it's not." But that's not important. Let's look at the assertions I contradicted:
The Theory of Evolution depends upon life spontaneously appearing on Earth.
To crib from someone else who used to post around these parts: there are several ideas about how the life might have arisen on Earth, including direct creation, "seeding" from comets, "seeding" from Mars, "seeding" by aliens, unguided chemical reactions, and chemical reactions guided by a Designer. The theory of evolution doesn't care which one is accurate. Evolution starts when there are organisms capable of reproducing--not before. The relative weaknesses of the hypotheses about the origin of life do not weaken the theory of evolution, any more than uncertainty about the causes of the Big Bang weaken theories of star formation.
The entire “theory” is predicated on the idea that there is no God...
To which I said "No it's not"...
So, do you mean that evolutionists take into account the existence of God, or of a designer, when they are working out the possible mechanisms of cell-diversity on Earth? Or, do they only approach the study of these things from the stand point that only naturalistic explanations are acceptable?
Scientists look for naturalistic explanations of everything they investigate, from the causes of disease to the reasons for earthquakes to celestial mechanics to the diversity of life forms (and they've had remarkable success finding them). I'm not sure what you mean by "take into account the existence of God"--do you mean assume that the explanation for those things must involve direct action by God? No, they don't do that. But that doesn't mean that, individually or collectively, they rule out God's existence..
“You didn’t actually point anything out.”
Bzzzt, wrong, he did.
“You just made an obnoxious post.”
You are an expert in that space.
And a clear retread. What WAS your prior FReeper name?
Are you a troll, or what?
“I made simple contradiction because you didn’t offer any support for your original assertion.”
Why should I bother to support something that is self-evident? No matter how much you twist or turn, the fact remains that “science,” falsely so called, is predicated on a denial of the existence of God. They operate only on what they claim can be observed, though, certainly, they promote all sorts of things which have never been observed. When you make the claim that the evolutionists “don’t care” about the origins of cell life, you do spread a falsehood, since, obviously, there is no hypothesis for origins amongst actual evolutionary scientists that consist of the supernatural.
As you said, they’re more willing to believe in aliens, comets, or whatnot, to explain it, rather than to confess the supernatural. They must appeal to these ridiculous things because these wretches are at least somewhat aware with how complex even the “simplest” cell is.
“To crib from someone else who used to post around these parts: there are several ideas about how the life might have arisen on Earth, including direct creation, “
What Evolutionary scientist is proposing direct creation? What scientific journal was it published it? Can you tell me?
Don’t mess with me with these absurd comments of yours. I don’t care if you, in your own particular theology (or lack thereof) imagine that God created life on Earth, but then let evolution take over. You’re not a scientist. You’re not writing research papers. You’re not in the universities teaching. You’re not putting forward papers detailing how God would have created the first living cell. Instead, evolutionary scientists are putting forward papers on how life could have started on its own through random processes, and it is THIS explanation which has the backing of academia.
You seriously need to consider changing your screen name.
“You seriously need to consider changing your screen name.”
Again - you seem to have experience with that. What are some of your prior screen names here?
*sigh*
Were you angry because I thought I gave away your title to someone else? Don’t worry Narses, there’s no one whose posts aren’t more insipid than yours. You’re completely safe.
With twice as much effort you might get to witty. Insipid is out of your league.
They certainly did in the late 60s- early 70s when I was in school. Besides, evolution is not a theory since it cannot be duplicated. At best, it is a "scientific model" for which there is no real evidence.
I see. You don't need to support your assertions because they're "self-evident," but if I don't support my responses, I'm a troll. Forgive me if I don't accept those rules of engagement.
the fact remains that “science,” falsely so called, is predicated on a denial of the existence of God.
That's not true. Oh sorry, I forgot, it's "self-evident."
When you make the claim that the evolutionists “don’t care” about the origins of cell life, you do spread a falsehood,
I didn't say evolutionists don't care about the origins of life. They're scientists, it's an interesting question, of course they "care" on that basis. What I said was that the theory does not care how life started. And it doesn't. Now who's spreading falsehoods?
They must appeal to these ridiculous things
I suppose the ridiculousness is another one of those self-evident things.
You’re not a scientist. You’re not writing research papers. You’re not in the universities teaching. You’re not putting forward papers detailing how God would have created the first living cell.
Scientists write research papers based on experiments they perform and the evidence those experiments provide. What research program would confirm creation by God? What would be the evidence? I don't mean the "I can't think of anything else so it must be God" kind of negative evidence--I prefer not to confine God to the ever-diminishing space left by what science has not yet managed to figure out. I mean evidence that would show exactly what God did, and when, to create life. Scientists would love to uncover such evidence--do you realize how famous the scientist that found it would be?
This is why I don't like to discuss this issue on a religious basis. People believe what they believe, and evidence doesn't enter into it. Believe what you want and go in peace.
“I see. You don’t need to support your assertions because they’re “self-evident,” but if I don’t support my responses, I’m a troll. Forgive me if I don’t accept those rules of engagement.”
ROTFLMAO!
You have his number!
“I suppose the ridiculousness is another one of those self-evident things.
I suppose if you’re an infidel, aliens or whatnot are perfectly reasonable explanations for life on Earth. (Better than supposing that there is a God!) But then the question becomes, “where did they come from?” Thus, at best, these ridiculous things are only a vain dodge.
“Scientists write research papers based on experiments they perform and the evidence those experiments provide.”
Nonsense, how many experiments have there been of one type of creature evolving into an entirely different kind? And yet they do not cease barking like dogs about it. Aside from the wailings of the atheists and evolutionists that science cannot test for the existence of God, and therefore He ought to be put out of all consideration, they still make all of their assumptions on mere models that assume only naturalisstic mechanisms for these things, by your own admission.
“This is why I don’t like to discuss this issue on a religious basis. People believe what they believe, and evidence doesn’t enter into it. Believe what you want and go in peace.”
Indeed, believe whatever “science fiction” you wish to believe, and hopefully hell is not too hot!
YOPIOS
Because the RCC interprets the Bible in favor of evolutionary “science fiction”? I wasn’t aware of that.
Ah yes, the "you're going to hell unless you believe like I do" icing on top of the cake of ignorance and arrogance you've baked. Thanks for the reminder.
“Ah yes, the “you’re going to hell unless you believe like I do” icing on top of the cake of ignorance and arrogance you’ve baked.”
Says the guy who started off the conversation by calling me a liar! Hope the aliens will save your soul.
On this very forum a person told me that Evolution does not depend upon origins. That is like saying that we can theorize about bridge construction without any regard to what kind of foundation it must rest upon.
I fully realize that some very smart people are busy trying to assemble a simple bacteria molecule by molecule. It will be a big challenge for one side or the other will come when either a totally synthetic bacteria comes alive by itself, or if it just cannot ever come alive despite every attempt to do so.
Evolutionists, like liberals, tend to ignore inconvenient facts and history.
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