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50 ‘Hand-Picked’ Christians Trained To Convince Churches To Re-Interpret Scripture’s Gay Boundaries
The Aquila Report ^ | 9-29-13 | Jeff Schapiro

Posted on 09/29/2013 9:47:29 AM PDT by ReformationFan

Fifty hand-picked Christians were part of a seminal conference last week planned by Matthew Vines, a 23-year-old gay Christian who believes Scripture allows for monogamous homosexual activity, in an effort to spread the idea in the American church over the next decade.

Vines says he has had success in convincing lay members of churches over the last year that monogamous homosexual activity is allowed by Scripture, but is encountering resistance from Scriptural scholars. He is likely to encounter much more, say theologians.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaquilareport.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: 666; christians; heresy; heretics; homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda; infiltrators; infiltratos; religiousleft
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Reminds me of these Communist goals from 1963

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

Please read and know the Scriptures for yourself because these infiltrators are coming.

1 posted on 09/29/2013 9:47:29 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan
Sure, pride in sin should be allowed in parades for instance.

Next we accept the boundaries of adultery, murder and theft.

2 posted on 09/29/2013 9:49:35 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ReformationFan
Scripture allows for monogamous homosexual activity,

Well that accounts for about 5% of homosexual "activity".

3 posted on 09/29/2013 9:51:09 AM PDT by DManA
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To: ReformationFan

Amen.


4 posted on 09/29/2013 9:51:12 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: ReformationFan; alphadog; infool7; Heart-Rest; HoosierDammit; red irish; fastrock; ...
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

5 posted on 09/29/2013 9:51:49 AM PDT by narses
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To: ReformationFan

New “translations” of the Holy Bible containing “satanic verses” have already been flooding the market for over a decade.


6 posted on 09/29/2013 9:54:23 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ReformationFan

Where is the list?


7 posted on 09/29/2013 9:54:32 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: ReformationFan

Not a job I’d be wanting to get into since I wouldn’t want a GUARANTEED TICKET TO H3LL. What is wrong with these people, other than the obvious sin-thing?


8 posted on 09/29/2013 9:57:11 AM PDT by madison10 (Dear Senator Cruz--Thank you!)
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To: DManA

Indeed. Besides, isn’t that “intolerant” of non-monogamous homosexual activity? I mean really. If one rejects Jesus’ definition of marriage as 1 man to 1 woman in Matthew 19:4-6, shouldn’t anything be “permissible” in the mind of such a person?


9 posted on 09/29/2013 9:58:19 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

why is he campaigning...There are plenty of churches now who have this view.

I say “Leave me alone!” If I wanted a “different” view of christianity i would change churches....Its called “freedom of religion” and this guy has “freedom of speech”. I say to this guy” Just stop hassling me and “forcing” your views on me.”


10 posted on 09/29/2013 10:00:23 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: madison10
Not a job I’d be wanting to get into since I wouldn’t want a GUARANTEED TICKET TO H3LL. What is wrong with these people, other than the obvious sin-thing?

Maybe it is related to the great falling away, that is predicted in the Bible.

11 posted on 09/29/2013 10:01:52 AM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks. Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013.)
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To: ReformationFan
Genesis
12 posted on 09/29/2013 10:02:25 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: ReformationFan

Oh, brother, what won’t they try next?


13 posted on 09/29/2013 10:02:32 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ReformationFan

14 posted on 09/29/2013 10:02:42 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: ReformationFan
How exactly do you reinterpret Sodom and Gomorrah?
15 posted on 09/29/2013 10:03:21 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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To: ReformationFan

Reckun some folks like to interpret scripture real loose...

course some folks think religion is just a crutch for many or a tool to subjugate and sway the masses.

and then, there’s a couple lines of scripture that make ya wonder..

How much longer will pervs be allowed to push their agenda down folks throats and elsewhere.


16 posted on 09/29/2013 10:05:19 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: ReformationFan

I’ve posted this before from our lib parish: once or twice a year , our idiot parish has a GAY WEEK mass and every homo, fudgepacker and ass muncher shows up and ruins the mass by acting like idiots.

When it’s NOT Gay Week, these same clowns are nowhere to be seen. They sick pukes would prefer to be gays FIRST, and Christians LAST. If they really were Christians as they announce to be...where are they when it’s NOT gay week?


17 posted on 09/29/2013 10:06:18 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: ReformationFan

Bingo.


18 posted on 09/29/2013 10:17:27 AM PDT by Fungi
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To: ReformationFan

Scripture allows for monogamous homosexual activity, Nonsense!


19 posted on 09/29/2013 10:18:54 AM PDT by Fungi
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To: ReformationFan

Degenerates with false teachings. Jesus warned us this day would come.


20 posted on 09/29/2013 10:19:23 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: ReformationFan

What a fruitcake


21 posted on 09/29/2013 10:21:14 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Because the homosexualists don’t want anyone to either disagree with them or be allowed to disagree with them. Which makes me think, if homosexuality were really so great, why do they have to get everyone to agree with them about this issue? The things that I know are right and true are right and true whether anyone else agrees with them or not.


22 posted on 09/29/2013 10:22:30 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: max americana

and why would your local parish members put up with this?
Why wouldn’t they find a new church?


23 posted on 09/29/2013 10:23:29 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Fungi

Of course it’s nonsense. Does anyone truly believe that the original intended audience who the books of the Bible were initially addressed to would’ve believed such a thing?

I have more intellectual respect for non-believers who agree that the Bible condemns all homosexual behavior but don’t believe it than I do for “Christians” who lie about what the Bible actually teaches on this or any other topic.


24 posted on 09/29/2013 10:27:09 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: US Navy Vet

Here ‘Tis
Goals

The following was entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69) in 1963. 1) US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war
2) US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war
3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of “moral strength”
4) Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5) Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites
6) Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination
7) Grant recognition of Red China, and admission of Red China to the UN.
8) Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the UN
9) Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress
10) Allow all Soviet Satellites individual representation in the UN
11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo)
12) Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party
13) Do away with loyalty oaths
14) Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office
15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US
16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.
18) Gain control of all student newspapers
19) Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion
pictures.
22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings”, substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.
23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. “ Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art”.
24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26) Present Homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as “normal, natural, and healthy”.
27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch”
28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state”
29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man”.
31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of “the big picture:” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32) Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33) Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34) Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI
36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business
38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42) Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a “united force” to solve economic, political, or social problems.
43) Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44) Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.


25 posted on 09/29/2013 10:30:11 AM PDT by cannonball
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To: GeronL

The homos don’t show up during the Spanish mass so the parishioners either show up at that mass or go to another parish.

My favorite mass was 3 years ago when a mother of a gay son “lectured’ the parishioners during the homily that we should be tolerant and all that BS, and a large crowd just walked out. Most went out for a smoke until she shut up and I joined them.


26 posted on 09/29/2013 10:31:27 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: ReformationFan

In a former job, it was a game for the gays to try to sleep with straight married men. And some were successful.

Some of the most inhumane, debasing and depraved things I have heard in my lifetime was overheard from gay men.


27 posted on 09/29/2013 10:33:56 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: max americana

I would not be a member of such a church


28 posted on 09/29/2013 10:38:11 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

I believe you. Sounds like Romans 1:24-32 in action.


29 posted on 09/29/2013 10:38:48 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Sodomy in the Bible...

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Lev 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

Lev 18:24 ¶ Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

Lev 18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

Lev 18:26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

Lev 18:27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)

Lev 18:28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

1Ki 14:24
And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.


30 posted on 09/29/2013 10:44:45 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: ReformationFan

I am talking about the list of “Hand-Picked Christians”.


31 posted on 09/29/2013 10:47:18 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: ReformationFan

Christains????????


32 posted on 09/29/2013 10:48:25 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: US Navy Vet

I’m sure he’s keeping it a secret so their infiltration will be more effective.


33 posted on 09/29/2013 10:53:21 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

There are many Christian Bible churches that conduct Apologetics seminars on a regular basis. While the goal is to educate and equip Christians with the tools they need to spread the word, many of these programs fail to address the issue at it’s core.

I think for many of these programs it is too contentious and they fear a loss in attendance.

I would love to see an Apologetics seminar or even a Sunday service that had two doors for their congregation to enter.

A large sign above each door, one reading “Creationists” enter here, the other “Evolutionists” enter here.

Pastors and Preachers need a better understanding of their audience in order to craft a message that can be delivered in a language that is understood.

1 Corinthians 1:23

.. But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Peter preached to the Jews, and the Jews had the same “Foundational” belief.

Paul preached to the Greeks, and his message needed to be changed to address the foundation of their belief.

The foundations of Belief have been slowly shifting over the years that more and more Christians accept evolution as a fact.

If you accept Evolution as a fact, then you must accept moral relativism as a fact. There is no way around this.

For more, please watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Py3IbbEQ4


34 posted on 09/29/2013 11:01:38 AM PDT by Zeneta
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To: ReformationFan
The things that I know are right and true are right and true whether anyone else agrees with them or not.

Truth is truth. You and I know that.

Some people can't handle the Truth.

FMCDH(BITS)

35 posted on 09/29/2013 11:05:35 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: ReformationFan
The Anti-Christ will be ushered in with the help and full force of the homosexuals.
Homosexuality is nothing but a demonic spirit.
But the gates of hell shall not prevail against Christ's church.
36 posted on 09/29/2013 11:30:26 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: US Navy Vet
I am talking about the list of “Hand-Picked Christians”.

I doubt it, more like hand picked infiltrates to corrupt the church.
As the bible warns us beware for the devil even sends his angels, or rather evil agents as angels of light.
37 posted on 09/29/2013 11:33:36 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

Ricky Boy Warren would probably be No 1 on the “List”.


38 posted on 09/29/2013 11:37:04 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: ReformationFan

I’m pretty sure the Book makes it very clear that changing its message is a very bad thing with a very bad result for those who do so...


39 posted on 09/29/2013 11:47:16 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: DManA
Well that accounts for about 5% of homosexual "activity".

Shhhhhhh. That's the dirty little secret they are not supposed to talk about. A bath house is an institutionalized orgy.

40 posted on 09/29/2013 11:55:08 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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To: ReformationFan

At this point, someone should carefully note the names of this chosen 50 ‘hand-picked’ saboteurs, so that when they try to infiltrate and corrupt, despite what they say to ingratiate themselves, they will be known for what they are.


41 posted on 09/29/2013 11:59:39 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: max americana
Most went out for a smoke until she shut up and I joined them.

Bump. Some things are sacred. This mother confuses love for tolerance. We are saved because of Love (3:16), but Love was intolerant of certain things. And that Love is timeless, absolute, sacred.

42 posted on 09/29/2013 12:11:53 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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To: ReformationFan

Now the secret is out. That is their goal. If you break down the barriers to allow for monogamous homosexual relationships then don’t claim surprise when the other barriers also fall because you have pulled out the cornerstone.

I also wonder when those “Christians” who believe it is o.k. to accept monogamous homosexual relationships will do when gays start demanding that they be accepted on their own terms of what is right in sexual behavior and not only when conforming to the accepted norm of monogamy?


43 posted on 09/29/2013 12:25:23 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Lancey Howard

Which Bible translation legitimizes homosexuality?

There is this: http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/DobrasOxfordBible.php

And then this: http://www.amazon.com/Source-Testament-Extensive-Notes-Meaning/dp/0980443008

That’s all there is so far. Thank goodness.


44 posted on 09/29/2013 12:45:19 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: ReformationFan

Monogamous or not, homosexuality violates our rights as Christians and it is not congruent with our beliefs, standards or constitution.


45 posted on 09/29/2013 2:21:09 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Zeneta
If you accept Evolution as a fact, then you must accept moral relativism as a fact.

Not true...

ALL MEN ARE BORN OF A WOMAN.

Mammals can only evolve heterosexually... even Genesis says as much...

46 posted on 09/29/2013 2:51:59 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: ReformationFan; vladimir998
44 Which Bible translation legitimizes homosexuality? ...

DEC 2012 – A new, homosexual-friendly translation of the Bible was published - The Queen James Bible, by “God”, contributor Jesus Christ (anonymous editors), published by Queen James, © Queen James. This new translation sought to resolve what the editors called “interpretive ambiguity” in the Bible as it pertained to homosexuality. The editors left untouched virtually all of the King James Version (KJV, 1611). They edited only the 8 verses which have traditionally condemned homosexuality in a way that made homophobic interpretations impossible. Homosexualists identified the Reverend J. Pearson of San Francisco’s Holy Innocents Episcopal Church as the mastermind behind the rainbow-themed Bible. The editors’ dedication reads …

“The King James Bible is the most popular Bible of all time, and arguably the most important English language document of all time. It is the brainchild and namesake of King James I, who wanted an English language Bible that all could own and read. The KJV, as it is called, has been in print for over 400 years and has brought more people to Christ than any other Bible translation. Commonly known to biographers but often surprising to most Christians, King James I was a well-known bisexual. Though he did marry a woman, his many gay relationships were so well-known that amongst some of his friends and court, he was known as "Queen James." It is in his great debt and honor that we name The Queen James Bible so.”

47 posted on 09/29/2013 3:08:18 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton; vladimir998

Ultimately, what a translation(or mistranslation) says or doesn’t say is not the most important criteria here. What does Scripture say in the original languages of the autographs? From what I’ve learned, every time same sex acts are referenced in Scripture it’s always to condemn them and never to support them.


48 posted on 09/29/2013 3:30:46 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Do you really want to do this Now ?

Virtually All leading evolutionary Scientists and Philosophers agree that to be a consistent “Evolutionist” you must accept “Moral Relativism”.

Right and wrong is the product of a social construct that provides for the survival of a particular species.

In addition, Free will does not exist.

I suppose Pappa Bears didn’t get the survival memo as they attempt to eat their offspring.

Survival, despite their pre-wired desire to eat their young.

BTW,

Your NOT TRUE statement makes no sense as a reply to my statement.

If you accept Evolution as a fact, then you must accept moral relativism as a fact.


49 posted on 09/29/2013 3:42:49 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: ReformationFan

We don’t have the autographs, but I agree with you - the Bible always condemns homosexuality.


50 posted on 09/29/2013 4:06:21 PM PDT by vladimir998
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